Confusion from professional bodybuilder advice!?

[Bodybuilding123]

Hi,

Quick question...

I got some advice from a pro bodybuilder on a course and the cycle looks really small dose! Can you guys please have a look and see what you think.

Week 1,3,5- test eth 250mg once a week
Week 2,4,6-deca 200mg once a week
Week 7,8- PCT nolva and hcg

Week 9 onward repeat.

Iv ran in the past much bigger course. For eg 1g test a week plus alternating cycles of deca and tren. Always followed by PCT.

Does this look too small to you guys? I'm really confused why he has suggested some thing so small but don't really want to over query it just yet as he is a pro body builder and has agreed to train me free of charge!

Can you think of a reason why it is so small?

My stats are;

6ft 4
105kg
25 years old
Training 10 years
Over 10 cycles of experience

Thanks, I would appreciate a quick response as I am really confused and due to start soon!

[austinite]

What is your body fat percentage?

Cycle doesn't make any sense at all really... Not even remotely makes sense to be honest. Just random numbers.

[SlinKing]

hehe. nice cycle bro. looks pretty dam pro

[Lunk1]

over 10 cycles at 25 yo and you even concider that cycle advise????

[Bodybuilding123]

I know right! Makes no sense at all! I'm 12% bf at the moment, a little more off season due I having a long holiday! My last cycle was:

Weeks 1-12 test prop 1250mg per week
Weeks 1-10 tren ace 700mg per week
PCT as usual afterwards

Completely different compared to what he is recommending!

[SlinKing]

I know right! Makes no sense at all! I'm 12% bf at the moment, a little more off season due I having a long holiday! My last cycle was:

Weeks 1-12 test prop 1250mg per week
Weeks 1-10 tren ace 700mg per week
PCT as usual afterwards

Completely different compared to what he is recommending!

this is a cool cycle. i like it

[austinite]

I know right! Makes no sense at all! I'm 12% bf at the moment, a little more off season due I having a long holiday! My last cycle was:

Weeks 1-12 test prop 1250mg per week
Weeks 1-10 tren ace 700mg per week
PCT as usual afterwards

Completely different compared to what he is recommending!

What was your PCT, did you use an AI or hCG on cycle? Dopamine agonist?

[Bodybuilding123]

10 days - hcg 1,000iu
Days 10-31 - nolva 40mg
Days 31-45 - nolva 20mg

Thanks

[Bodybuilding123]

Hcg was only used post cycle

[austinite]

Alright. Let us know if you have any other questions.

[Bodybuilding123]

I was thinking for my next cycle something like this (before the pro gave me advice)

Weeks 1-6 test prop 150mg ED
Weeks 1-6 deca 100mg mon, wed, sun
Weeks 1-6 tren 100mg mon, wed, sun

Pct
Weeks 6-8 hcg 1,000iu ED
Weeks 6-8 nolva 40mg ED

Repeat this cycle after PCT.

I was thinking that with this cycle it would allow enough time to hit my receptors hard but not too long to completely over saturate them. What's your thoughts?

[austinite]

Why do you cycle immediately after PCT? You need at least 6 weeks after PCT to check blood work to verify recovery, and then wait even longer to stabilize for a while.

- 6 weeks of deca makes NO sense.
- No mention of what ester Tren you're using, so no comment there.
- Missing AI on cycle.
- hCG on cycle, not for PCT. hCG is suppressive.
- Need dopamine agonist on hand.
- PCT missing clomid.

[marcus300]

I think you shouldn't take any advice from the pro because he is clueless and I think you should do a lot more research as well.

[austinite]

I think you shouldn't take any advice from the pro because he is clueless and I think you should do a lot more research as well.

yeah I agree. OP honestly, your cycles make no sense. I'm not sure what you're doing but I suggest to get back to the drawing board and start by reading the stickies. Check "My First Cycle" thread.

Otherwise, with the incredibly opposing thoughts on cycling, this would be a never ending thread.

Best of luck to you.

[Bodybuilding123]

Thank you for your advice. I completely understand what you are saying, my last post was a cycle I was thinking about when trying to 'murge' my knowledge with that of what I have been told from the pro. My original cycle was something more like this:

Weeks 1-6 test prop 150mg ED
Weeks 1-6 tren ace 80mg ED
Weeks 3 & 6 HCG 1,500iu
Weeks 7-8 Nolva 40mg ED

What are your thoughts on this? I agree I think it is properly a best if I dot follow his advice at this stage an I will read up more in the suggestion section of the website

[Java Man]

There are plenty of pros who don't have a pot to piss in. he might just have killer genetics and superhuman intensity. That doesn't mean he's a pro at putting cycles together for others.

I'm sure he's a gentleman and a nice guy since he's training you pro bono, but that proposed cycle looks very low dose for someone with 10yr history. The inj frequency is old school, 1 x week. I'm sure he must have a reasoning behind this. Hopefully he didn't just throw some compounds and dosages together without thought.

Or, maybe hes got very well planned intentions when he put that together. Did you discuss all of your questions with him?

[spiralkut]

why have you basically cut your dosage from last cycle by 30% ? did you get bad sides?? if so i would get checked out if you didnt i would still get checked out

[Bodybuilding123]

He is very old school, he won a lot of high titles many years ago. He's now 70 year old so times have changed in the world of bodybuilding. I stressed my concern to him and he kept saying more is not better, and eventually if I keep going at the dose I take my body will buckle. He acts on the side of caution and my thoughts are that he is more on the side of PCT than bodybuilding.

He is a really nice, genuine guy which makes me think he wouldn't be giving me shitty advice. But to me it looks way too low! What do you think about my proposed cycle posted above?

I haven't had any side effects on short cycles. After around 8 weeks I do get a little gyno and results start to taper which is why I like 6 week cycles better. Of course followed by PCT.