1st cycle gaol "collagen synthesis"

[greengo]

Im planning my first time experience with a cycle but my goals are different to most.

Years of being highly active playing a number of sports and interval training landed me a nasty ACJ dislocation. Surgery was done incorrectly causing pain and instabilty that spread in soft tissue, muscle, and eventually connective tissue. As the shoulder deteriorates the area around and especially joints around become weak and sublux regularly. its been 2 years and now both my shoulders and extremely loose, wrists, SC joints (very bad) and now starting to happen to hips and knees. Ive seen dozens of specialsts.. no real explaination or treatment. some say chronic fatigue, other say connective tissue disease, EDS. or a neurological dysfunction. they load me with pain killers and anti depressants. nothing works.

I know if the shoulder gets better everything else will but my other shoulder can't cope with major surgery and recovery for months nor can my body.

things are now tearing my life apart and I need something that will help. So Iv decided to try a cycle that will maximise 'collagen synthesis' this is my goal. Protein synthesis is not important.

First I thought to do anavar with a low dose of test. enough to keep test levels average but not enough to decrease collagen synthesis. My doc hesitantly agreed to try this with me but anavar is expensive to get here and must be ordered. he also doesn't want to run test along side. so I thought I might aswell try something better at collagen synthesis like equipose, or deca.

anavar 50mg daily - 6 weeks
test e 200mg weekly - 6 weeks

so far only arimidex is available.

What do you guys recommend for a first timer with this goal and these issues. Will this test decrease collagen synth?

Is it advisable to do 1st time with deca or equipose? and how would dosage be with these goals in mind? Im really anxious to try this as Ive read posts of people with similar condition with good results.

diet is mainly plant based
- green vegetable detox juice - 4times/week
- Fish, chicken, meat.
- Occasionally wheat, pasta, bread etc.
- Almost no dairy

Male 30yrs/ 90KG, 25% body fat
(on drugs that gain weight) trying to get off them now.

Ive tried:
HGH omnitrope 1IU/daily - 3 months increased to 3IU/daily
On the last batch might last 2 more months. (little improvement and killing my finances)

thanks for taking the time and reading, any feedback is greatly appreciated.

[greengo]

anyone?

[Capebuffalo]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

[greengo]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

Iv read many of these posts and similar. But I still can't decide on a test dosage that will not decrease collagen synthesis and still be enough to keep levels normal while on anavar or EQ.

desperately need direction guys

[jimmyinkedup]

I suggest you visit the hrt forum. Thats exactly what their goal is, to replace natural occurring test levels. Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging

[greengo]

http://www.************.com/forum/an...rtain-aas.html

Ive been doing some homework. Based on this thread Ive come up with this as my first cycle:

Option 1
wk 1-8 test e: 100mg/week
wk 1-8 anavar: 60mg/daily
wk 1-8 arimidex: .25mg 3/week
wk 1-10 HCG: 250IU 2/week

PCT
wk 10-14
clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

+ celnbuterol throughout PCT

Option 2
same but replace anavar with about 300mg/week of equipose

or use both anavar and equipose to maximise collagen synth?

Am I on the right track?

thanks

[Hazard]

Here's the thing...... EQ and winny have been shown to increase collagen synthesis as you're looking for but they don't increase cross-linking connectivity. This renders it brittle.....

Not sure this is what you should be trying to do as an athlete.....

[Red Bastard]

Might want to do some research on thymosin beta 4, aka TB-500....

[greengo]

Here's the thing...... EQ and winny have been shown to increase collagen synthesis as you're looking for but they don't increase cross-linking connectivity. This renders it brittle.....

Not sure this is what you should be trying to do as an athlete.....

What im trying to achieve is stronger connective tissue mainly (tighter- they are stretchy and cause joints to pop and move around) , even if its a small improvement as things are severe. maybe just var a low test. if so should I go with var and wait until I feel shutdown to add low test to the cycle. or just go with test from the begging?

[greengo]

Might want to do some research on thymosin beta 4, aka TB-500....

I have.. but it seems it works very slowly and I dont even have access to it as I can't have any supplements or drugs shipped where I am.

[Red Bastard]

That's too bad. Can I ask where that is?
I would think that anything that helps tendons would be a slow process. The 6-10 weeks (approximately), that TB-500 takes to have a noticable effect, seems pretty quick to me...

[greengo]

That's too bad. Can I ask where that is?
I would think that anything that helps tendons would be a slow process. The 6-10 weeks (approximately), that TB-500 takes to have a noticable effect, seems pretty quick to me...

I currently reside in Kuwait where its easy to find aas but no drugs or even liquids are allowed to be imported including hair spray etc... lol

Im working with a doc that is willing to try this with me... but he doesn't know much about this and wants me to email him with what I want to do. So Im pretty much decided as Ive got nothing else that will help and got nothing to loose. I just need to create the best cycle in terms of effectiveness for my condition and with little sides.

Would it be counter productive to try EQ with low test? It shows to increase collagen synthesis but doesn't increase cross-linking connectivity?

[greengo]

Would doing a PCT after a var only cycle work? Even if while on cycle I feel lowered test. for 6 weeks?

[Hazard]

You can keep the test as low as 150mg...... I don't see much of a way around that. Regarding whether or not the var and/or EQ will work for what you are looking for - I don't know. I've only read studies regarding the collagen synthesis without cross linking connectivity. That's all I really have to go on.

You can find the study on here in a couple EQ threads. I'd probably try searching EQ and collagen synthesis to find it. I've posted it a few times.

Other than this..... I can't offer much help. I don't want to give you wrong advice based on a guess.

Let us know how you get on tho

[greengo]

You can keep the test as low as 150mg...... I don't see much of a way around that. Regarding whether or not the var and/or EQ will work for what you are looking for - I don't know. I've only read studies regarding the collagen synthesis without cross linking connectivity. That's all I really have to go on.

You can find the study on here in a couple EQ threads. I'd probably try searching EQ and collagen synthesis to find it. I've posted it a few times.

Other than this..... I can't offer much help. I don't want to give you wrong advice based on a guess.

Let us know how you get on tho

Thanks for your reply bro. Im trying to get as much info as possible before doing this. Someone posted a thread years ago about running var only for EDS because he didn't want the test to effect collagen production. he was shut down and took em a while to recover but the var was great for his joints.

Will look more into EQ and cross linking connective. Thanks again!

[nafnlaus]

should have stayed on the hGH for longer. nothing will beat it when healing cartilage/tendon. IGF is your friend, still anavar will increase IGF more than most orals. Hypertropic effect of those drugs will do limited good, you're going to want hyperplasia.
Deca, hGH, IGF oxandrolone... those will probably be of the most benefit. and make sure you are eating plenty of glucosamine

[greengo]

should have stayed on the hGH for longer. nothing will beat it when healing cartilage/tendon. IGF is your friend, still anavar will increase IGF more than most orals. Hypertropic effect of those drugs will do limited good, you're going to want hyperplasia.
Deca, hGH, IGF oxandrolone... those will probably be of the most benefit. and make sure you are eating plenty of glucosamine

Im still on the HGH (omnitrope) but honestly its not doing enough. maybe because im on a low dose (now increased to 3 IU daily) its just too expensive mate. Ive spent thousands on it in the hope it will help but I guess in my case at least, a much higher dose is needed to get good results. Ive got enough to last me another 8 weeks maybe on this dose then after that I won't be able to buy anymore.

I take daily glucosamine, MSM, tumeric, vitamin d,e, b12, magnesium, etc etc... unfortunately none of this is not doing much. that's why im looking for something more aggressive. im doing more research on EQ but for now it seems like oxandrolone is my best bet.

cheers

[greengo]

guys,

Would it be better to run test e or c for this cycle? I need the test to be basically a TRT dose to run along with the var and I want to run this cycle for 8 weeks.

Would it work ok if I ran test e for 8 weeks just as a TRT dose?

thanks

[jimmyinkedup]

They are almost identical. Test e would be fine.

[greengo]

They are almost identical. Test e would be fine.

So in my case running test e as opposed to running test p for 8 weeks is ok? I keep reading that test e should only be run at 12 weeks.

and must this be twice weekly or is it okay to do it once a week at 150mg?

thanks mate

[greengo]

They are almost identical. Test e would be fine.

So in my case running test e as opposed to running test p for 8 weeks is ok? I keep reading that test e should only be run at 12 weeks.

and must this be twice weekly or is it okay to do it once a week at 150mg?

thanks mate