AAS and different body types...

[Term]

Ok, so I am about to start my 1st cycle and I am looking to hear any information how different body types (somatypes; ectomorphs, mesomorphs, endomorphs) respond to AAS. I am an ectomorph with a super fast metabolism and I have never seen/heard or heard personal experiences from someone my size and composition.

Is there any difference? If my diet, training, and rest are spot on...can an ecto change to a meso (aesthetically) with AAS? I guess what I am asking is: what's possible and what isn't? Thx

Btw...I'm talking about long term, not on my first outing. But you can share those experiences too and I won't be upset

[austinite]

They don't respond any differently. It's not the steroid, it's the intake. Higher metabolism = higher TDEE = eat more to grow. Steroids merely amplify the effects of your diet.

[Capebuffalo]

If you are calling yourself an ectomorph that tells me right away your not eating enough. If you are serious about starting a cycle you need to learn to eat more. A lot more. Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle.

What are your stats?

[OnTheSauce]

If you are calling yourself an ectomorph that tells me right away your not eating enough. If you are serious about starting a cycle you need to learn to eat more. A lot more. Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle.

What are your stats?

This.

[Term]

They don't respond any differently. It's not the steroid, it's the intake. Higher metabolism = higher TDEE = eat more to grow. Steroids merely amplify the effects of your diet.

Was watching a video the other day of Phil Heath when he was playing ball and compared to his frame and overall physique now, it's like his whole body composition has changed. I've seen pictures of him standing next to Jay Cutler early in his career and Jay is twice his size...not anymore. How did that happen? Where's the ceiling with his stuff?

[austinite]

was watching a video the other day of phil heath when he was playing ball and compared to his frame and overall physique now, it's like his whole body composition has changed. I've seen pictures of him standing next to jay cutler early in his career and jay is twice his size...not anymore. How did that happen? Where's the ceiling with his stuff?

hgh.

[Term]

If you are calling yourself an ectomorph that tells me right away your not eating enough. If you are serious about starting a cycle you need to learn to eat more. A lot more. Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle.

What are your stats?

Lol...
32yr
5'5
160lbs
Bf %15

[clarky.]

HGH AAS SLIN & food and very dedicated training and more

[austinite]

I was 130-140 lbs and 6' tall when I was 21. And I ate more than 4000 calories a day. Still wasn't enough. From 21 to 28, you would not recognize me, I gained 70 lbs.

[Term]

hgh.

Not messing with that shite!

[clarky.]

Not messing with that shite!

It's not shit

[austinite]

^ then eat more and be happy Like me.

[Term]

I was 130-140 lbs and 6' tall when I was 21. And I ate more than 4000 calories a day. Still wasn't enough. From 21 to 28, you would not recognize me, I gained 70 lbs.

Those are some great gains. I'm 32 and was stuck at 135-140 for most of my adult life. I am eating roughly 4000 cals a day now give or take a shake or 2 and have gone from 149 to 160 in under 3 months, but I had stop almost all cardio to get there. Got stuck at 153 for a damn month before I cut it out of my training and started doing supersets instead.

[Term]

It's not shit

Honestly, never really researched it so...blowing a little smoke with that comment. It comes out of hearing some crazy stories about enlarged organs, craniums, cancer, etc.

[crazy mike]

If you are calling yourself an ectomorph that tells me right away your not eating enough. If you are serious about starting a cycle you need to learn to eat more. A lot more. Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle.

What are your stats?

I beg to differ slightly with what you say. I agree with the thought process, the general fact that if you don't eat enough and more you will never get as big as you could. If that were changed with increased diet. Steroids as was said amplify what you do not only at the dinner table so to speak but also what you do with your workouts and how you train AND rest.

Being an ecto is a certain body structure. It doesn't mean necessarily small. They body type is based and bone and frame structure as well as some fat and tissue amounts. I was an ecto, and stayed an ecto while doing steroids and eating what calories I need for good growth. I gained from 135lbs up to 205 lbs in the years I was on a competitive level.

For many reasons other than diet I never became BIG. My career cut short is not what I mean. I also am a hard gainer and my ecto body I could only stretch my stomach just so big. I'm small framed. AND that will never change, only my muscle mass.

Now I will address the muscle mass. You said "Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle" Lets get this straight. If you continue to work out hard, HARD as you were and continue to do so, you will not loose the Muscle Mass you have gained or better said have grown and built. This is where muscle memory comes in.

You have built more muscle fibers and they will stay with you, unless you get your body in a catabolic state. You see IMOP the gains you will lose are fat and water. You will deflate. BUT if you have built or whatever you have build by and they help of steroids and your work you will not loose. I'm picking apart so of the particular statements used to get the idea of eating. ...crazy mike

[Cuz]

first and foremost its diet, and then you can start talking about gear.

Let me tell you, I was struggling to hit 135 in my younger years. Scrawny as helll and looked damn pathetic to say the least. I finally leveled out at a soaking wet maybe 150 by the time I hit 27.

I then discovered eating, and after about a year, im pretty impressive now, at least in my little ole gym.

Be patient it will come

[ottomaddox]

I was 130-140 lbs and 6' tall when I was 21. And I ate more than 4000 calories a day. Still wasn't enough. From 21 to 28, you would not recognize me, I gained 70 lbs.

Same here, but 6'3"@155lbs. Now floating at 228lbs. I saw a friend from 20 years ago and he was shocked at the difference.

Bodybuilding is a marathon, not a race.

[kelkel]

HGH AAS SLIN & food and very dedicated training and more

And a lot of it....

Those are some great gains. I'm 32 and was stuck at 135-140 for most of my adult life. I am eating roughly 4000 cals a day now give or take a shake or 2 and have gone from 149 to 160 in under 3 months, but I had stop almost all cardio to get there. Got stuck at 153 for a damn month before I cut it out of my training and started doing supersets instead.

Hit the nutrition forum and post your daily intake. Most who think they eat that much really don't. Not saying this is your case but we see it routinely here. Let the vet's there help you out. I'm a natural ecto myself. Ottomadox said it right, "It's a marathon, not a sprint"

[Capebuffalo]

I beg to differ slightly with what you say. I agree with the thought process, the general fact that if you don't eat enough and more you will never get as big as you could. If that were changed with increased diet. Steroids as was said amplify what you do not only at the dinner table so to speak but also what you do with your workouts and how you train AND rest.

Being an ecto is a certain body structure. It doesn't mean necessarily small. They body type is based and bone and frame structure as well as some fat and tissue amounts. I was an ecto, and stayed an ecto while doing steroids and eating what calories I need for good growth. I gained from 135lbs up to 205 lbs in the years I was on a competitive level.

For many reasons other than diet I never became BIG. My career cut short is not what I mean. I also am a hard gainer and my ecto body I could only stretch my stomach just so big. I'm small framed. AND that will never change, only my muscle mass.

Now I will address the muscle mass. You said "Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle" Lets get this straight. If you continue to work out hard, HARD as you were and continue to do so, you will not loose the Muscle Mass you have gained or better said have grown and built. This is where muscle memory comes in.

You have built more muscle fibers and they will stay with you, unless you get your body in a catabolic state. You see IMOP the gains you will lose are fat and water. You will deflate. BUT if you have built or whatever you have build by and they help of steroids and your work you will not loose. I'm picking apart so of the particular statements used to get the idea of eating. ...crazy mike

I agree with everything you just said mike. But you know what you're talking about. Most people read ectomorph / hard gainer and think since they don't gain that's what they are. Those are body types like you said. But you only hear guys who are smaller label themselves with ecto. And it is 99% of the time lack of enough food.

Op I have to call you out. Please list everything you ate yesterday.

[calstate23]

To end it very short and simple...You end up what you look like before..Except bigger, stronger and a lil bit more detailed then before

[Shadow530i]

I beg to differ slightly with what you say. I agree with the thought process, the general fact that if you don't eat enough and more you will never get as big as you could. If that were changed with increased diet. Steroids as was said amplify what you do not only at the dinner table so to speak but also what you do with your workouts and how you train AND rest.

Being an ecto is a certain body structure. It doesn't mean necessarily small. They body type is based and bone and frame structure as well as some fat and tissue amounts. I was an ecto, and stayed an ecto while doing steroids and eating what calories I need for good growth. I gained from 135lbs up to 205 lbs in the years I was on a competitive level.

For many reasons other than diet I never became BIG. My career cut short is not what I mean. I also am a hard gainer and my ecto body I could only stretch my stomach just so big. I'm small framed. AND that will never change, only my muscle mass.

Now I will address the muscle mass. You said "Otherwise your gains will be limited and lost after cycle" Lets get this straight. If you continue to work out hard, HARD as you were and continue to do so, you will not loose the Muscle Mass you have gained or better said have grown and built. This is where muscle memory comes in.

You have built more muscle fibers and they will stay with you, unless you get your body in a catabolic state. You see IMOP the gains you will lose are fat and water. You will deflate. BUT if you have built or whatever you have build by and they help of steroids and your work you will not loose. I'm picking apart so of the particular statements used to get the idea of eating. ...crazy mike

Sorry mike but I think you're mistaken about something....you're not building more muscle fibers..you're just stretching the ones you've already got. If you want more fibers look into IGF.

[Term]

I agree with everything you just said mike. But you know what you're talking about. Most people read ectomorph / hard gainer and think since they don't gain that's what they are. Those are body types like you said. But you only hear guys who are smaller label themselves with ecto. And it is 99% of the time lack of enough food.

Op I have to call you out. Please list everything you ate yesterday.

Cape...I'm more than happy to give you my food intake...just as soon as you can demonstrate a working knowledge of the English language. I'd prefer not to have to list all my macros and dietary practices just to have you fail to understand what I'm saying!
I'm calling you out Cape! What was the premise of my thread? When did I ever complain about not being able to get big or gain weight? What about my stats (which you asked for...lol) would make you believe that I don't know what I'm talking about when I say I'm an ecto? Do you know me? How the fk could you say I don't know what I'm talking about with the info I gave in this thread? Quit the WWE bs guy! "I'm calling you out!" LMAO
I never on e complained about not being able to get big guy! As a matter of fact when Austin share his 8 yr, 70 lbs transformation...I posted my 11lbs gain in 3 months!!! Wtf do I have to complain about...that's great gainz!
Now either your illiterate, lazy, or trolling me? Reread the thread and all my posts and comment on my questions about how far a person can go using AAS, not some preconceived idea that everyone who posts must be ignorant and not know how eat right! This is a pattern with most of your posts and it's pretty denigrating and unhelpful to people looking for info.

[Capebuffalo]

Term, first and foremost, thank you for you concern. I have struggled with literacy for most of my life. Having to order a hamburger every time I eat at a restaurant becomes tiresome all because I can not read the menu. And I know most dinning establishments offer hamburgers so I take a chance and say, I will have a hamburger.

Second I may have misunderstood the motive of your question. When someone comes here and states that they are an ectomorph and a hard gainer, it is because they do not have a knowledgable grasp of nutrition.

Third, I was responding to crazy mike. Who in turn was responding to a previous post.

Fourth, as for calling you out, yes I would like to see the 4000 cal daily diet. No need to post macros I will have someone read it to me and will know if you're close.

Fith, for you to tell me to read all of your post, when in fact you know I do not have a grasp of the English language is cruel and very hurtful.

Look I'm sorry if I struck a nerve. I graduated high school weighing 145 lbs. so I understand. 11 lbs in 3 months is incredible actually, so congratulations. My response to cm was not aimed specifically towards you. It was more of my own observation when you see two word put together, ectomorph and hard gainer. Sorry if you thought I was attacking your character.

[Term]

You didn't strike a nerve...you were plain disrespectful. You failed to read my post accosted me for stats, failed to appropriate them into your thinking regarding the topic of the post, then insulted me by insinuating that I didn't know what I was talking about. That's what I was addressing...
That being said, I appreciate your acknowledgment of a possible misunderstanding.
I will post up my meals from yesterday after I get done with my classes. Meanwhile, I would point you to Kelkel's post; above, as an example of how to approach your comments. You been around a while, so I'm sure you know your shit...but what good is that knowledge to me if I have to wade through a bunch of bs to reap the benefit of what you know. Feel me?

[Capebuffalo]

Term, my friend just read your post to me. I have to say I am taken aback by it. After apologizing and trying to show you we had common ground with weight, I must admit,you seem a little petulant. As for being more like Kelkel that would be great. I would like to have his temperament and physique. Unfortunately I am not Kelkel. You are however correct about my working knowledge of the English language you must be right because I don't know what "You feel me" in this context actually means. Carry on and have a great day.

[Zodiac85]

Those are some great gains. I'm 32 and was stuck at 135-140 for most of my adult life. I am eating roughly 4000 cals a day now give or take a shake or 2 and have gone from 149 to 160 in under 3 months, but I had stop almost all cardio to get there. Got stuck at 153 for a damn month before I cut it out of my training and started doing supersets instead.

Term,

People around here look back on how much they've learned about diet and training through many cycles of cutting and bulking. Not even counting their many aas cycles. I know I've learned more each cycle, even though I thought I was really onto something the first time around. I think that makes people here a little skeptical about how "dialed in" new people are when they come here. (That's not your words, its just something we hear a lot.) Usually the pro's here are right to be skeptical, but sometimes it causes them to underestimate people as well.