Friend is taking test and tren with nothing else. Advice?

[fender08]

This one is for a buddy. I tried to talk him out of it but he's stupid and doing it regardless. I decided to run test only. Hes 6 ft, 190 pounds, works out every day with me and seems to have a decent diet. He has tren and test ethenate and started his pins this morning he said, 1 cc of each and doing it twice a week. Only thing is, he only got test and tren. No hcg, nova or clomid. Nothing else. I know a little about tren from when I was considering it. But he knows nothing and I don't know enough to give him sound advice. Can some one give an exact schedule on what he should get and when to use it? He won't change his mind and just do test so I would at least like to see him do it right. All help would be awesome.

[Honkey_Kong]

This one is for a buddy. I tried to talk him out of it but he's stupid and doing it regardless. I decided to run test only. Hes 6 ft, 190 pounds, works out every day with me and seems to have a decent diet. He has tren and test ethenate and started his pins this morning he said, 1 cc of each and doing it twice a week. Only thing is, he only got test and tren. No hcg, nova or clomid. Nothing else. I know a little about tren from when I was considering it. But he knows nothing and I don't know enough to give him sound advice. Can some one give an exact schedule on what he should get and when to use it? He won't change his mind and just do test so I would at least like to see him do it right. All help would be awesome.

At 6' 190lbs, he shouldn't be on gear. And his diet sucks if he can't get past that plateau. Not to mention that cycle isn't well thought out for somebody who has never done gear before. And 1cc twice a week doesn't say shit about the dosage.

What I suggest you do is have your "friend" come on here, make his own account, post his stats and his diet/training regimen. There should be no reason that a 6 foot man can't get over 200lbs naturally.

[fender08]

He has a flip phone lol. It barely even get on the Internet. He thinks he's doing it right. You seem to not really want to help which is fine. Ill just give him the thumbs up and tell him good luck. Your right. And he said he's done test and deca before but I don't know that for fact. The only reason I think he is so light is because his body fat is so low. I may be completely off but he's computer illiterate and I told him I'd try to find out a better way and he said he'd give it a shot if he knew a better way but right now all he has is the test and tren. There's no talking him out of it. Trust me. He said when he did it twice before he never used anything but the deca and test and was fine. Now he thinks the same will happen with tren. I'm thinking not which is why I'm asking. Thanks

[Honkey_Kong]

He has a flip phone lol. It barely even get on the Internet. He thinks he's doing it right. You seem to not really want to help which is fine. Ill just give him the thumbs up and tell him good luck. Your right. And he said he's done test and deca before but I don't know that for fact. The only reason I think he is so light is because his body fat is so low. I may be completely off but he's computer illiterate and I told him I'd try to find out a better way and he said he'd give it a shot if he knew a better way but right now all he has is the test and tren. There's no talking him out of it. Trust me. He said when he did it twice before he never used anything but the deca and test and was fine. Now he thinks the same will happen with tren. I'm thinking not which is why I'm asking. Thanks

I think he's better off trying to find out what he's doing wrong with his training and diet than he'd be doing more steroids. 190lbs for somebody who is 6'0 is kind of on the skinny side. And I'm willing to bet he's no where near where his natural max is. I mean shit you said he's done test and deca before and he's still scrawny. Tells you he's doing something wrong, doesn't it?


I still think I gave you the best advice there by saying he shouldn't go through with it.

[fender08]

I think the same. He shouldn't. But he's gonna anyways which is why I'm asking. He did roids in high school like 6 years ago so he's lost all of his gains long ago. I think he's completely unprepared but like I said. He's an idiot and doing it no matter what so I thought I'd try to give him atleast the right procedure. I completely agree with you and thanks for the help. Anything else would be greatly appreciated.

[Honkey_Kong]

I think the same. He shouldn't. But he's gonna anyways which is why I'm asking. He did roids in high school like 6 years ago so he's lost all of his gains long ago. I think he's completely unprepared but like I said. He's an idiot and doing it no matter what so I thought I'd try to give him atleast the right procedure. I completely agree with you and thanks for the help. Anything else would be greatly appreciated.

You weren't sure if he did juice before but now you confirmed that he'd done them 6 years ago?

Regardless though, if you want to be his friend you should not help him do gear. Instead you should help him figure out what's wrong with his diet and training. Because with a shit diet, the gains he does get won't be that great and he's going to just lose them whenever he stops taking the gear. It's really not worth putting your body through the cycle shutting down your natural hormone production just for minimal muscle that he's not even going to keep.

I think he's better off taking the money that he was going to spend on the gear and instead spending it on a good trainer, a dietician and a Costco card. So if he's already got the gear, sell it to somebody else.

[redz]

Sounds to me like you are the one doing the dumb cycle looking for justification.

[fender08]

He works right beside me not hard to ask. Tren scares me and I've never done any steroids that weren't pills. That's why I'm only doing test now. But thanks for the help. You guys are way more helpful then I could have hoped. Ill give him a high five and laugh at him when his balls shrink and hair falls out. This is a site where no one knows each other in person. Why would I hesitate to tell you I was doing it? Plus my stats are alot different then his so any advise you would give me would be almost useless for me. Again if anyone want to give me advise that would be great if not, feel free to write your criticisms so you can get your post count higher and people will actually listen to you and take you serious. Shit

[fender08]

You weren't sure if he did juice before but now you confirmed that he'd done them 6 years ago?

Regardless though, if you want to be his friend you should not help him do gear. Instead you should help him figure out what's wrong with his diet and training. Because with a shit diet, the gains he does get won't be that great and he's going to just lose them whenever he stops taking the gear. It's really not worth putting your body through the cycle shutting down your natural hormone production just for minimal muscle that he's not even going to keep.

I think he's better off taking the money that he was going to spend on the gear and instead spending it on a good trainer, a dietician and a Costco card. So if he's already got the gear, sell it to somebody else.

I tried to tell him to atleast drop the tren. He's set in his ways and I know him well enough to know he will do it anyways, which is why I'm asking. If I was doing it myself, I would atleast have nova and clomid and hcg. I know that much. He has nothing and dosent think he needes it. He came to work today saying he started. Which is why I'm asking.

[spywizard]

what will be even more funny is when he becomes really angry and beats the crap out of you...

or prolactin levels rise and he starts lactating..

or nothing ill will happen and he'll say "see, i'm good to go"..

until pct..

clomid/nolva are easy to get, quick too..

so what really is your concern??

[fender08]

I know clomid and nova as ptc. Not sure exactly how to use but I can find that pretty easy. Anything else that may be needed I'm not so sure. Yea that'd be awesome if he beat the crap out of me. Good call. So hard to ever just get an answer. Sometimes I think people just are sarcastic because they are afraid to post their way and look stupid because there seems to be so many variations on how people do it. Is there atleast a baseline on how it should be done?

[qscgugcsq]

an Ai to control estro(arimidex)
dopamine agoniste to lower his prolactine(pramipexol)

HCG to help the recover and protect his testicle from.shrinking.

nolva 40/40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

just tell him:
Arimidex will stop the growth of man boobs
pramil will make his big boobs NOT producing dairy product.
and nolva/clomid to still be able to **** his handhole.

if he want boobs, drink milk and stare to the ground, then keep going.

good luck

[Lunk1]

He wont listen to you to drop the tren, will he listen to you to add ancillaries and run a PCT?

Is it short or long ester gear?

1CC doesn't say anything. How many mg of each is he running per week and what is his pinning schedule?

[crazy mike]

I have one comment about the post answers I see.
I agree that he needs to check and get on proper diet. I agree that he doesn't know what he is doing so he shouldn't.

BUT as far as he shouldn't or is not ready to do steroids on the premise that at 6' and 190lbs being a factor, BULLSH!T. I have been around and have seen so much. I have seen more skinny guys get big. MUSCLE MASS I mean not the bloat or the fatty tissue. I for one would not have qualified to you guys back in my beginning. My diet was pretty good back then. I worked at the gym with some awesome BB's and studied the sport, lifting tech and movethe proper movements. I got educated on my training. I as worked as hard as I could. I pushed, I puked on leg day, I was sore, I ate every two hours and I grew, this on steroids.

I did good for a VERY skinny guy. I have placed in the top five etc... But I don't have enough to brag, at all, However I proved this thing about weight, in general, BULLSH!T.
Really I also did what I did using rec-drugs. So you =might say well, crazy you never really got big. I gained and gained and I build hard mass. To this day, after my lay off of 25 years, I came back with some muscle memory. That means the tissues were more and the base is here. I never would have gotten this far in 10 months with three month off for an operation if I didn't build good solid mass.

I agree there is a limit as to how light and how long you've been training before you start, But BS on the 6' and 190lbs being not ready. Sorry no offense to anyone, this is only MY OPINION. THX .......crazy mike


NOTE: Every other thing you guys say about dropping Tren and on and on, I agree I just get tired of these set in stone demeaning comments to newbie and alike. IMOP he is not too light. This is MY only point here. ....crazy mike

[Red Bastard]

^^^^^^^

Well said Mike!! It's a big lie, and elitist attitude, that pervades this forum, and discredits the so called "experts"!!

Steroids work, and they work fast, no matter what one's stats (within reason). That's why so many people use them. Get over it!

[fender08]

an Ai to control estro(arimidex)
dopamine agoniste to lower his prolactine(pramipexol)

HCG to help the recover and protect his testicle from.shrinking.

nolva 40/40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

just tell him:
Arimidex will stop the growth of man boobs
pramil will make his big boobs NOT producing dairy product.
and nolva/clomid to still be able to **** his handhole.

if he want boobs, drink milk and stare to the ground, then keep going.

good luck

Thanks! That's what I was looking for.really appreciate it. I read somewhere that raxfoline was better then arimidex. Is that true in this case?

[chester101]

I have one comment about the post answers I see.
I agree that he needs to check and get on proper diet. I agree that he doesn't know what he is doing so he shouldn't.

BUT as far as he shouldn't or is not ready to do steroids on the premise that at 6' and 190lbs being a factor, BULLSH!T. I have been around and have seen so much. I have seen more skinny guys get big. MUSCLE MASS I mean not the bloat or the fatty tissue. I for one would not have qualified to you guys back in my beginning. My diet was pretty good back then. I worked at the gym with some awesome BB's and studied the sport, lifting tech and movethe proper movements. I got educated on my training. I as worked as hard as I could. I pushed, I puked on leg day, I was sore, I ate every two hours and I grew, this on steroids.

I did good for a VERY skinny guy. I have placed in the top five etc... But I don't have enough to brag, at all, However I proved this thing about weight, in general, BULLSH!T.
Really I also did what I did using rec-drugs. So you =might say well, crazy you never really got big. I gained and gained and I build hard mass. To this day, after my lay off of 25 years, I came back with some muscle memory. That means the tissues were more and the base is here. I never would have gotten this far in 10 months with three month off for an operation if I didn't build good solid mass.

I agree there is a limit as to how light and how long you've been training before you start, But BS on the 6' and 190lbs being not ready. Sorry no offense to anyone, this is only MY OPINION. THX .......crazy mike


NOTE: Every other thing you guys say about dropping Tren and on and on, I agree I just get tired of these set in stone demeaning comments to newbie and alike. IMOP he is not too light. This is MY only point here. ....crazy mike

Only a newbie myself.... but well said crazy mike! I've seen it myself over the years.... but according to some folk on here I havent!!

[fender08]

I atleast convinced him to do it right, he wouldn't drop the tren no matter what I said but last night I got him to order clomid, nolva, and arimidex. The arimidex is to be taken during the cycle correct? Working on trying to get him to do hcg if I can find it.

[qscgugcsq]

I atleast convinced him to do it right, he wouldn't drop the tren no matter what I said but last night I got him to order clomid, nolva, and arimidex. The arimidex is to be taken during the cycle correct? Working on trying to get him to do hcg if I can find it.

The biggest "most" IMO is Arimidex. Even if every thing is Crazy important arimidex will do the most good(health related).

I don't know his dose but it will gives you an Idea. 500mg test/week = .25mg(arimidex)/day (some will say it's alot, agreed its alot but with tren having a little too low estrogen is way better than having little too high. and I'm sure he wont do bloodwork to verify his E2.) So .25mg/day,(or .5mg EOD...) If he use between 750-1000mg/week, .75mg EOD.

Depending on his Bodyfat, if he is fairly lean(9%-) you can lower the dose a little bit. if over 18% use more.

HCG is not a most but it is HIGHLY, VERY HIGHLY recommended. If you can't find it it's not the end of the world, but it could greatly help to recover fast. (500ui/week plitted in 2 dose.)

Pramipexol will prevent him of feeling like shit and it will help him keeping his dick working. .25mg/ at night(make sleepy, ALOT!) everynight can go up to .5mg(but up the dose gradually...) Once again it depends on his dose. if he is using 1g tren(he will feel like total shit... poor him...) even .75mg/night would not be too much IMO,
Im not an expert on 19nor... but it gives you an idea. a minimum of .25mg/night should do the tricks.

Clomid/nolva I already given you the dose.
Test-e start 2weeks after last dose(if more test you have to wait longer)
Tren-e as far as I know should be stopped a little bit before test(Like I said im not a pro with 19nor.)

Raxfolin I have no idea what it is, if you are talking about Raloxifen then it's a serms and not an AI so it is not to be used to prevent the estrogen to build up...
However if GYNO sign appear EVEN WITH THE USE OF AI. up the dose of your AI a little bit and use 60mg raloxifen until gyno is gone.

Arimidex should be the only AI he needs for a while...

[JinNtonic]

Glad you talked him into getting the rest of his cycle ordered.

[Far from massive]

Agreed with Mike on the no juice for skinny people being way overused. IMHO a guy at 6 foot and 190 with 10% bf is a lot better candidate for juice than a guy 6 foot and 230-250 with 25% bodyfat.

Then again I am Far From Massive LOL.

As to all the questions for the OP's friend all of the answers can be found by browsing the PCT as well as other forums. No reason to ask for it to be retyped, go ahead and read them come up with a plan of action post it for feedback and you will get much better responses.

[crazy mike]

Agreed with Mike on the no juice for skinny people being way overused. IMHO a guy at 6 foot and 190 with 10% bf is a lot better candidate for juice than a guy 6 foot and 230-250 with 25% bodyfat.

Then again I am Far From Massive LOL.

As to all the questions for the OP's friend all of the answers can be found by browsing the PCT as well as other forums. No reason to ask for it to be retyped, go ahead and read them come up with a plan of action post it for feedback and you will get much better responses.

^^^^Yep, read, learn, plan get it checked out by the experienced. Good luck ...crazy mike