Dbol, Deca Nandrolone & Sustanon 300 - Cycle

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I'm 25, 6'2" 190lbs, 2nd cycle (not including the first time I ran Test only). I lost weight since my first cycle due to a work accident that kept me away from the gym for several months.

I ran dbol for the first 3 weeks, at 30mg's per day for the first week and 50mg's for the remaining 2 weeks, accompanied with 600mg of sustanon 300 per week, split into 200mg eod, and 500mg deca nandrolone per week at 250mg twice a week. Now, I come up against mixed opinions about the usage of sustanon, whether it be best to inject eod due to the prop ester, or once a week due to the three remaining esters? Now, I understand the logic behind simply using prop in the case of 3 injections per week, but I am wrong to assume I might as well go with a single 600mg injection per week? When it comes to sustanon, there seems to be too many opinions which is what is confusing me... I feel frequently tired now that I am running sustanon 3 times a week when compared to my cycle with enanthate at 600mg per week, split into two injections of 300mg, so I feel as if this may be caused by the sustanon dosage. The question I wish answered is found in bold letters

My next second question, can I run dbol for the remainder of my cycle at 50mgs a week for another 8 weeks? I know how oral steroids have a harmful effect on the liver, so no need for a course on oral use. For example, if I use Milk Thistle to somewhat counter the effects caused by dbol, can it be done? I am only asking this question because I was told that it could be done... I have researched the subject, but come up empty handed because once again, different opinions... If you ask what I think, I would say it's probably best only to kick start a cycle with orals, and run the remainder of the cycle with injections only. So, why not have some clarification by those with more experience and knowledge.

[austinite]

I would assume that a second cycle, would not include the 1st

Yes, you are wrong in your assumption. If you want to take advantage of prop, you'll need to inject daily, or every other day. If you're not concerned with prop, you should inject at a minimum of twice weekly to maintain some level of stability.

No "course" on oral use. Nothing wrong with that, But I'll give you a "course" on liver protection. You may as well just drink an extra glass of water daily instead of milk thistle, it is by far, the most worthless liver protectant available today. Consider 1800mg of NAC (n-acetylcysteine) daily.

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I'm 25, 6'2" 190lbs, 2nd cycle (not including the first time I ran Test only). I lost weight since my first cycle due to a work accident that kept me away from the gym for several months.

I ran dbol for the first 3 weeks, at 30mg's per day for the first week and 50mg's for the remaining 2 weeks, accompanied with 600mg of sustanon 300 per week, split into 200mg eod, and 500mg deca nandrolone per week at 250mg twice a week. Now, I come up against mixed opinions about the usage of sustanon, whether it be best to inject eod due to the prop ester, or once a week due to the three remaining esters? Now, I understand the logic behind simply using prop in the case of 3 injections per week, but I am wrong to assume I might as well go with a single 600mg injection per week? When it comes to sustanon, there seems to be too many opinions which is what is confusing me... I feel frequently tired now that I am running sustanon 3 times a week when compared to my cycle with enanthate at 600mg per week, split into two injections of 300mg, so I feel as if this may be caused by the sustanon dosage. The question I wish answered is found in bold letters

My next second question, can I run dbol for the remainder of my cycle at 50mgs a week for another 8 weeks? I know how oral steroids have a harmful effect on the liver, so no need for a course on oral use. For example, if I use Milk Thistle to somewhat counter the effects caused by dbol, can it be done? I am only asking this question because I was told that it could be done... I have researched the subject, but come up empty handed because once again, different opinions... If you ask what I think, I would say it's probably best only to kick start a cycle with orals, and run the remainder of the cycle with injections only. So, why not have some clarification by those with more experience and knowledge.

Imo, you should inject the sust e3d, the deca can mix in the same barrel so do the math how much you'll need per injection.

If it were me, I would only run the dbol for the first 4-6 weeks at 40mg - 50mg. No more. Also, if it were me, I would run the deca for 14 weeks and the sust for 16 weeks and Would dose at 250mg sust (.8ml) with deca @ 250mg e3d. The dbol is a nice kicker, but you wouldn't get much liver support from milk thistle over the long term.

Lastly, I hope you have your AI, hcg and pct plan in effect. That's a pretty harsh cycle and side can be tremendously unpleasant.


Good luck!

[Cuz]

agreed, pretty hardcore cycle^^^ little too much for me right now im just sticking with test. I have ran dbol for 4 weeks as a kickstarter at 25 mg a day and saw good results in earlier years, would not recommend on running it any longer.

Use NAC for liver support

You should know better than to run Dbol that long...Milk thistle will not "counter the effects" nothing will only stopping the drug will.

Why don't you list your complete stats and a complete layout of your cycle? There is a lot of threads here describing "my first cycle"

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Not sure which words I'm using that haven't been used in my previous post...

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Not sure which words I'm using that haven't been used in my previous post...

There are many word that are restricted as a new membrr. Try not using words kuke steroids and drug names . Just replace letters in words that may be offensive or illegal or any word you feel may be In the limitation.

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I can't figure it out... Don't know whats blocking me. I'm gunna try something.

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Yeah I know it's one of those cycles... But my goal is gaining mass, so I know this cycle is right for me. I'll be honest I have little side effects, at least the ones you can feel. I mean, aside from tiny heat pimples, and nut shrinkage, I haven't had the side effects that people I know have had with this cycle. As for estrogen control, I have never had any sensitive nipples or what we call bitch tits appear, so far I haven't felt the need to use arimidex, even though it isn't a bad idea to fully benefit from this cycle, but if need be, I am not shy to spend money for what is required. As for my previous cycle's pct, I ran HCL and clomid, I considered novaldex but it didn't seem necessary. If everything goes well I will likely run HCL and clomid again.

Dbol - 3 weeks, 30mgs per day for first week, 50mgs per day for following 2 weeks
Deca nandrolone - 500mgs per week, 250mgs per injection for 12 weeks
Sustanon 300 - 600mgs per week, 200mgs per injection for 12 weeks
PCT - HCL (I can't remember the stats) 5 injections, 1 injections eod & clomid 100mgs per day, 50/50 morning/evening, for 30 days

***Reason for not being able to post was because I was using the "at" sign in my cycle's description... wtf???

[Cuz]

I'd run dbol and sust and drop the deca. this is only your second cycle

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Yeah I know it's one of those cycles... But my goal is gaining mass, so I know this cycle is right for me. I'll be honest I have little side effects, at least the ones you can feel. I mean, aside from tiny heat pimples, and nut shrinkage, I haven't had the side effects that people I know have had with this cycle. As for estrogen control, I have never had any sensitive nipples or what we call bitch tits appear, so far I haven't felt the need to use arimidex, even though it isn't a bad idea to fully benefit from this cycle, but if need be, I am not shy to spend money for what is required. As for my previous cycle's pct, I ran HCL and clomid, I considered novaldex but it didn't seem necessary. If everything goes well I will likely run HCL and clomid again.

You have much more to worry about beside " bitch tits". Esteogen is a carcinogen, and has many negative effects on the body that do not pose noticable sides. As for pct, nolvadex is standard even if you chose not to use clomid. If I were to chose not to use something, it would be the clomid and substitute with hcg blast as it Is obvious that you are not using hcg while on cycle. Hcg will help to restart your hpta which is completely shut down in most cycles involving deca. Your cycle may give you great immediate results but the choices you are making will mos likely leave you with a very difficult recovery when you are done....just being real.


Good luck

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You have much more to worry about beside " bitch tits". Esteogen is a carcinogen, and has many negative effects on the body that do not pose noticable sides. As for pct, nolvadex is standard even if you chose not to use clomid. If I were to chose not to use something, it would be the clomid and substitute with hcg blast as it Is obvious that you are not using hcg while on cycle. Hcg will help to restart your hpta which is completely shut down in most cycles involving deca. Your cycle may give you great immediate results but the choices you are making will mos likely leave you with a very difficult recovery when you are done....just being real.


Good luck

Ok so this peaks my curiosity, and maybe I can somewhat relate because my first cycle involved deca and even with the PCT it took a while before I started feeling "normal". So ill include HCG, and would you recommend arimidex while on cycle?

Wait I'm confused, isn't HCG the one you inject youself in the lower abdomen with insulin needles?

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Ok so this peaks my curiosity, and maybe I can somewhat relate because my first cycle involved deca and even with the PCT it took a while before I started feeling "normal". So ill include HCG, and would you recommend arimidex while on cycle?

Wait I'm confused, isn't HCG the one you inject youself in the lower abdomen with insulin needles?

Yes hcg has a standard protocol of 250iu twice weekly. I personally bump mine to 300iu twice weekly if I were to use deca, tren or npp. Arimidex or liquidex is good to use at 0.25mg eod as a baseline but you may find you need more or less. This is a good place to start tho. Also some may not particularly enjoy the possible sides (I experience none usually) of sore joints. A second option would be stane and I believe that should be dosed at 12.5mg eod but I have no experience with stane.

If you decide to use hcg on cycle up until pct, plan fpr your pct to consist of:

Nolvadex 4weeks @ 40/40/20/20
Clomid 4 weeks @ 100/100/50/50

If you don't use hcg ON CYCLE, I suggest pct to be slightly more aggressive:

Nolvadex 6 weeks 40/40/20/20/20/10
Hcg @ 2500iu eod for 3 weeks.
This (imo) will do a more efficient job of restarting your hpta without the use of clomid. I personally do not like clomid and have used this method recently. It worked well and only side was that I absolutely needed to ejaculate daily or I would experience testicular pain

[ad88]

Yes hcg has a standard protocol of 250iu twice weekly. I personally bump mine to 300iu twice weekly if I were to use deca, tren or npp. Arimidex or liquidex is good to use at 0.25mg eod as a baseline but you may find you need more or less. This is a good place to start tho. Also some may not particularly enjoy the possible sides (I experience none usually) of sore joints. A second option would be stane and I believe that should be dosed at 12.5mg eod but I have no experience with stane.

If you decide to use hcg on cycle up until pct, plan fpr your pct to consist of:

Nolvadex 4weeks 40/40/20/20
Clomid 4 weeks 100/100/50/50

If you don't use hcg ON CYCLE, I suggest pct to be slightly more aggressive:

Nolvadex 6 weeks 40/40/20/20/20/10
Hcg 2500iu eod for 3 weeks.
This (imo) will do a more efficient job of restarting your hpta without the use of clomid. I personally do not like clomid and have used this method recently. It worked well and only side was that I absolutely needed to ejaculate daily or I would experience testicular pain

About the testicles, during my first cycle I was sex deprived even though I had it 2-3 times a day, and I'm not a nympho...

So I'm a little confused, I said earlier that I was running HCL in my PCT, and I don't know why I keep saying HCL, I guess it's the HCL (Hydrochloride) creatine name that pops in my head every time. Ok, so the reason why I am confused is because I thought HCG was meant for PCT use only, unless I'm not speaking of the same thing here. Is HCG, in my case, a small vial with a tablet inside that requires you to push bacteriostatic water into it? If so, then I will run HCG longer on my PCT, and will give novaldex a try over the clomid. However, how about HCG, clomid and novaldex as a PCT?

P.S this spam bot is annoying, won't EVEN let me quote posts that have an "at" sign in them...

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About the testicles, during my first cycle I was sex deprived even though I had it 2-3 times a day, and I'm not a nympho...

So I'm a little confused, I said earlier that I was running HCL in my PCT, and I don't know why I keep saying HCL, I guess it's the HCL (Hydrochloride) creatine name that pops in my head every time. Ok, so the reason why I am confused is because I thought HCG was meant for PCT use only, unless I'm not speaking of the same thing here. Is HCG, in my case, a small vial with a tablet inside that requires you to push bacteriostatic water into it? If so, then I will run HCG longer on my PCT, and will give novaldex a try over the clomid. However, how about HCG, clomid and novaldex as a PCT?

P.S this spam bot is annoying, won't EVEN let me quote posts that have an "at" sign in them...

Well.. hcg is generally used for "on cycle" to mimic lutenizing hormone (LH) in order to send the signal to produce testosterone. The lack of natural test is what causes the atrophy or shrinkage. By stimulating natural production, you will not suffrr this effect and because your body is tricked into producing natural test, it is believed that once the HCG is stopped and steroids are also stopped, it will be easier to restart the full function of the hpta including both LH & TEST. Furthermore- anything you introduce to your body in an unnatural way such as injections poses the risk of decreasing your bodies ability to naturally produce what you have injected/used. Example injecting test may cause permanent shutdown of natty test. Just the same, injecting foreign LH *MAY* reduce your bodies ability to produce its own LH over time or with over use.

Having said that, some guys (such as Ronnie Rowland) have expressed that hcg may serve better to be used in pct rather than on cycle because extended use may pose greater risk than reward, as well as its ability to restart the hpta quickly with little to no side compared to clomid. Clomid is known to produce moderate to severe emotional disruptions, headaches, blurred vision etc In some users. It is also important to note that hcg stimulates production of sperm, making it much easier to conceive children while using it.


Much to consider

P.s. don't use nov clomid and hcg for pct. Hcg on or after ... not both