Need advice on Contest Prep cycle

[javalonte]

Hi guys, I was thinking in start competing in 2015, but I think I'll try the "rookies" categories on IFBB here in Brazil next year, at least I'll try to prepare...

Now I'm at 6", 247lbs, 8.8%BF, 26 years old.

I need advice on the cycle I'll start november/december, I'm thinking on doing 8 weeks bulk, 3 weeks "bridge"/rest, 8 weeks cutting. My plan is to up 15-20lbs and than try cutting to 4-4.5%BF, this is the cycle plan I was thinking:

Week 1-8 1,2g test enanthate/week
Week 1-8 600mg boldenone/week (I know some will say nandrolone instead of boldenone, but nandrolone just don't do nothing for me, used 2-3 times I think, almost 0 gains...)
Week 1-5 80mg dianabol ED
Week 1-4 13ui Humalog 3x ED
Week 7-8 1000ui hcg monday-friday
Week 7-8 1mg anastrozol EOD

Week 9-11 13ui Humalog 3x ED
Week 9-10 100mg clomid ED
Week 11 50mg clomid ED

Week 12-19 350mg test propionate/week
Week 12-19 100mg trenbolone ED
Week 12-19 80mg stanozolol ED
Week 18-19 1000ui hcg monday-friday
Week 18-19 1mg anastrozol EOD

Week 20-21 100mg clomid ED
Week 22 50mg clomid ED

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english!

[redz]

Pct is lacking big time. Why no ai weeks 1-6?

[Gaspaco]

You got any pics of your physique?

[javalonte]

Pct is lacking big time. Why no ai weeks 1-6?

What would you suggest?

I don't use any protection in the beginning of the cycle, I just keep tamoxifen on hand in case of sensitivity on the nipples, the hcg in the last 2 weeks with the anastrozol is enough for me to bring back my natural test, I normally do exams 6 weeks after the cycle and never had any problem with that PCT

thanks!

You got any pics of your physique?

thanks for asking, but I dot not have any recent picture, the last one is from summer (january), but I don't wanna post any pictures while I'm talking on cycles...

[Capebuffalo]

What other cycles have you run.

[javalonte]

test propionate+stanozolol+dianabol

test phenylpropionate+oxandrolone+stanozolol

test cipionate+nandrolone+dianabol

test phenylpropionate+trenbolone+stanozolol

test enanthate+boldenone+turinabol+stanozolol

test propionate+insulin+dianabol+igf-1

test propionate+trenbolona+stanozolol+dianabol+insulin (last one)

[Capebuffalo]

Wow. Ok.
I would hcg 250 mg x 2 a week (week 3-pct)
No clomid till pct
Then novla 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Armidex start to finish .26 mg eod adjust accordingly.

[Metalject]

I don't care for the insulin in your bridge. Too much potential fat increase. I prefer IGF during a bridge. Yes, I realize some fat gain can come with that too but it's easier to control.

HCG, you don't need that much HCG IMO. 250-500iu/2x/wk is all you need.

The cutting phase, I'd start with the testosterone dose higher, closer to what helped you buildup in your bulking phase. Maybe 200-250mg/eod. From there, reduce it as needed. You may or may not need to. Go by how you look.

I'd throw T3 into the cutting phase. Personally, I've used it during the off-season as well many times just to help control things.

Last thing, I'd add HGH to the whole thing. Makes a big difference and I'm a big fan.

And actually I lied, this is the last thing. I'd go ahead and compete now, not in 2yrs. Why wait? You've already got some good size on you and you'll have even more. Are you going to be Phil Heath when you step on stage? No, but neither is anyone else that's on stage with you.

[austinite]

I don't care for the insulin in your bridge. Too much potential fat increase. I prefer IGF during a bridge. Yes, I realize some fat gain can come with that too but it's easier to control.

HCG, you don't need that much HCG IMO. 250-500iu/2x/wk is all you need.

The cutting phase, I'd start with the testosterone dose higher, closer to what helped you buildup in your bulking phase. Maybe 200-250mg/eod. From there, reduce it as needed. You may or may not need to. Go by how you look.

I'd throw T3 into the cutting phase. Personally, I've used it during the off-season as well many times just to help control things.

Last thing, I'd add HGH to the whole thing. Makes a big difference and I'm a big fan.

And actually I lied, this is the last thing. I'd go ahead and compete now, not in 2yrs. Why wait? You've already got some good size on you and you'll have even more. Are you going to be Phil Heath when you step on stage? No, but neither is anyone else that's on stage with you.

I would listen to this man.

[javalonte]

thanks for the advice guys!

the hcg wold be turing the whole cycle beginning on week 3? week 3-19?

Metalject, do you loose too much lean mass on T3? I was thinking on T4 if needed, a friend of mine used on this year preparation saying that T3 made him loose to much mass, you preffer T3? What dosage would you recommend?

the problem with HGH is the price here on Brazil, 8ui ed during 20 weeks would cost me R$ 16,000.00 (+- 8,000.00 USD), I've just started a new job and I do not have it to spend right know.

I agree with you, why whait... I'll try my best and take my chances on stage as soon as possible!


so, using the information you guys provided the cycle wold look like this:

Week 1-8 1,2g test enanthate /week
Week 1-8 600mg boldenone /week (I know some will say nandrolone instead of boldenone, but nandrolone just don't do nothing for me, used 2-3 times I think, almost 0 gains...)
Week 1-5 80mg dianabol ED
Week 1-4 13ui Humalog 3x ED
Week 1-19 anastrozol 0,5mg EOD
Week 3-19 250ui hcg 2x/week

Week 9-11 100mcg igf-1 ED

Week 12-19 800mg test propionate /week (reduce if needed along the time)
Week 12-19 100mg trenbolone ED
Week 12-19 80mg stanozolol ED

Week 20 100mg clomid ED
Week 20 40mg nolva ED
Week 21-23 50mg clomid ED
Week 21-23 20mg nolva ED

Thanks to everyone!

[Metalject]

T3 is far superior. You're not going to have an issue with muscle loss when using it if you're using gear like you plan. That won't happen. I normally start at 50mcg/ed and increase it 25mcg every couple wks till I'm at 100mcg and then stay there at that dose for awhile. Once I'd start stagnating again I'd normally end up creeping up to around 150mcg.

HGH: strictly for dieting/contest purposes, 3-4iu per day can make a big difference in your overall conditioning. For that matter, although I never used less than 3iu and usually used at least 4iu I would be willing to bet 2iu/ed of a good HGH (pharma brand) would improve your overall conditioning. If you can swing it I'd shoot for 3iu/ed 3-4months out from your show. It will make a difference if it's real HGH.

How I would run the cycle you laid out above using the same items you listed and general doses you listed:

WK 1-4: Dbol 50mg/ed
Wk 1-8: Test-e (see note below)
WK 1-8: 200mg/eod
WK 5-8: Insulin (do you have experience with this yet? If so, share)
WK 9-11: Test-e 150-200mg/wk split into 2 shots per week
WK 9-11: IFG-1 100mcg/ed is fine
WK 12-19: Test-e or Test-P around 200mg/eod (see note below)
WK 12-19: Tren-e 100mg/ed
WK 12-19: Masteron 100mg/ed (not on your list but I prefer it in all contest cycles with Tren)
WK 12-19: Winstrol: 50mg/ed (you may not need this but if you do consider bumping it to 100mg the last 10-14 days. But again, it really may not be needed and may not make that big of a difference.

HCG: 250iu 2x/wk wk1-19
Anastrozole: 0.5mg/eod may be fine, you'll have to play it by ear though. Consider upping it towards 1mg/ed the last 2wks. Yes, you will feel like garbage more than likely, but you'll probably already feel pretty tired to begin with.

HGH: If you can: 3-4iu/ed all the way through until the last 10-14 days then drop it.

PCT: Whatever you do (and it should probably be a couple wks longer IMO) be prepared for a long slow recovery after this cycle, very slow. You're not going to bounce back from this overnight regardless of how great the PCT is.

Note about Testosterone: Whichever dose you go with, and there's a big difference between the 2 doses you listed, I'd plan on doing every other day to even daily injections when using that much, especially when/if you're getting into the 2g/wk range. Obviously you don't have to do that based on half-life but in my experience it's much easier to control side effects when you do it that way.

Note 2: Once you get into the contest phase, it really doesn't matter if you use Test-e or Test-p. The idea that one makes you hold more water than another simply isn't true. The only advantage to switching to Test-p is you can rapidly drop the dose if needed as it clears faster.

I think that covers everything that you mentioned. If not, if I left something out let us know.

[javalonte]

Thank you very much for all your help, I have no experience on long cycles, never did more than 8 weeks because normally my results in terms of lean mass gains almost stop after week 3, but I wanna try this way this time.

Ok than, I'll try with T3 testing that dosage you mentioned. I'll try to buy at least 4ui for the last 4 months, never tested it, I can get if from the drug store so I'll have no problem with quality.

My experience with insulin is 2 cycles using humalog in the first 4 weeks, the first time I started with 2ui after workout and added 2ui every day until 10. The second time I started with 10 and added 1ui every day, I had hypo sides with 14ui even with the dextrose post application, so I used 13 until the end, than started to adjust the dextrose I take just after the application, lowered from 10g/ui to 8, 7,5 made me hypo, the protocol that follows the injection is:

0 min: 8g/ui dextrose
10min:90g whey+10g creatine+10g glutamine
1h:14oz sweet potatoes + 11oz chicken
2h:7oz oatmeal + 30g whey + 7oz chicken

You prefer to put the insulin 5-8 to get the gains after dbol stopped making the job of give the fast gains? that's more clever than my way...

When cycling with a lot of test I always inject eod, I get some sides when injecting more than 500mg in one day, I feel like I've been beaten up the next day. I've always thought that about different esters of test, good to know that while dieting this is just a lie.

Thank you for all the advices, I really needed them!