First Cycle Ever, GAIN time, what do you think...

[Jmartinot451]

I've been doing hours and hours of research daily. And have gained a pretty good understanding of the world of anabolics, PH's, AS's, DS's etc etc. and was tossing the idea of doing a cycle for a while now. Finally being more educated I am confident and I am ready to begin. SHipment will arrive in matter of days.

I am 21 yrs old 5ft9 , 166lbs, BF% right around 12-13%.

I lift 5 days a week, train cardio/abs two days.
M-chest/ 1hr 30. 5 exercises, 5 sets, avg. 8-12 reps or till failure. same goes for every other musc. group. this routine has proved most effective for me as of yet.
T-arms
W-cardio, abs
TH-boulder shoulder
F-back
S-legs
S-cardio/abs
Diet is in check and I am looking to do a nice clean bulk/recomp. Depends which direction i choose to take my diet in. eating right around 300 over maintenance of pretty lean cals. Will prob step it up. Just wanted to do some body conditioning. Full time job, full time college, pretty proud of my diet but it is hard sometimes, not to mention expensive to fufill lean macros on a budget. at 3,000 now. will prob step to 3,500.

morning meal:
2 cups milk,
2 cups flaxseed granola mix
1 tbsp Peanut butter
2 eggs
comes to around 900 cals, 50g protein. not sure fat and carbs.

lunch/post workout:
2 cups milk 1 1/2 scoop elite 7 protein right around 700 cals. throw in handful peanuts and dried fruit, measure in at 1000 cals and 55g protein.

dinner:
grilled chicken breast, tomato cucumber salad 1 scoop mashed potatoes 1 cup chicken soup.
measures in around 1,300 cals and about 60g protein. I know not very much, but remember trying to keep it lean.

finally before bed:, I chug down 1-2 cups of milk and 1 tbsp PB, or peanuts/flaxseed. kinda depends what I feel like.
this gives me about an extra 400 cals and 30g more protein.

Total weigh in: 3,500 cals, right under 200g's protein. not sure fat or carbs.
this doesnt include little cheat snacks here and there. miss my macros some days, go over on others, it all balances. no one is perfect. just gotta try.


Here's what im planning on, with a 5-6 week cycle.
preload cycle assist 10-14 days at rec. dosage.
Have Optimen multi's for on cycle as well and of course 1000mg taurine just in case back pumps.
Protein intake, fish oils, enough cycle assist for entire cycle and PCT.

Cycle dosage:
I decided on MAG-25 by LGI (PMAG clone)
50/75/75/100/100

For PCT:
tamoxifen citrate 20/20/10/10 (yes, i decided on a SERM, let me kno what u think)(is liquid any better than tablets? also, my source is from well, starts with what you do when you buy something and then peptides, lol,reliable?)
CEL Cycle Assist
bioforge
tropinol xp
intimidate srt
WF&Hemavol for PWo
creatine intake will cease when i begin cycle assist load, and begin first day PCT.

So, there it is. Not sure if i missed anything, and please give me good feedback and information. I know what im doing and made up my mind. just want proper help and direction with the route i decided upon. Let me know if i should change any dosing, or anything else. I am a bit nervous to be honest, but have read ALOT and think i have everything in check.

Thank you guys for your time, I will be logging this, so please help as much as you can!
Cant tell you enough how helpful experience and first time users logs are, so i figured i'd decide to comprehensively provide one of my own.

and also, wanted to throw out a big thanks to all the people who have logged and contribute because without u guys, people wouldnt have a damn clue. its cause of you guys I made this decision, im ready, im excited, so thanks. Hope to be done by xmas break (Load,cycle and PCT) the whole thing, so i can visit the fam beefed up a bit and no worry to risk in losing gains too bad. will train at home of course though. (:

[Zodiac85]

You didn't do any of your research on this site?

[redz]

I wouldn't touch ph's even for free.

[johnnymctrance]

So many things wrong

[Jmartinot451]

instead of wasting your time and leaving a comment like that, why dont you constructively tell me what im doing wrong then and point me in the right direction. might as well not post at all if thats what ur going to do

[barbery]

Ph are a waste of time

You want your first cycle to always be test.
Wait a few years though

Good first cycle is as follows
1-12 500mg test e a week with 2 injections. Mon thurs
1-14 .25mg arimidex eod
1-12 250iu hcg twice a week (500iu total)

Pct
75/50/50/50 Clomid
40/40/20/20 nolvadex


Wait till 24 at least though (though I started my first cycle few weeks ago on the day I turned 23)
Also meant to get some stuff for liver protection can't remember the name of it only costs like 15 dollars though

That's exactly what in doing. Just entered week 3 of my cycle. Started same height you 166lbs at 10% bf and now 174lbs even thoug test hasn't fully kicked in by any means. Making great strength gains too. Bench went from 12 reps at 220 for my sets to 12 reps AT 240 over night it's truly incredible
Diet 3700 cal thereabouts; 250p/500c/80f. Probably 11% bf now though

[MuscleInk]

Agree with above comments. What led you to believe prohormones is a wise idea? As Redz said, I wouldn't touch PHs if they were handed to me free of charge. At your age, steroids of any kind simply are not a smart idea. There are many threads on here already started by guys your age that did not listen and went ahead and cycled steroids anyway. Now they are shut down, their HTPA isn't functioning correctly, they aren't producing enough LH and thus, they aren't producing any/enough testosterone, they feel like crap, are fatigued, gaining fat, have erectile dysfunction, have little to no sex drive, are depressed and anxious, and desperate to feel normal again - AND wishing they had never cycled that early. Does that happen to everyone? No, of course not. Will it happen to you? There is absolutely no way to know that answer, even with a properly defined cycle. Once you shut down your HTPA it may not "turn back on" again and then you'll be facing the symptoms I described above.

What's wrong with waiting until you are 25 and considering steroids then? Anabolic compounds have been around longer than you've been alive. They aren't going anywhere soon. Whats the rush? We'd rather have you safe and healthy contributing to this forum, than reckless and hypogonadal because you thought you had to do it right now.

[Cuz]

you didn't get that info from here, at least on the cycle part, AND you say you are 21? Not a good idea right now, wait a while.

Your diet needs work too, you may have checked the cals and proteins and they may check out, but look at your carbs and fats. I didn't read all of it but that's a lot of fats and sugar looks like unless your drinking fat free milk.
There is no way you are getting that many calories, and your "dinner" meal, no way its 1300 cals from what you have listed. Do some more research before you cycle. You are too light (166lbs) and too young right now, plenty of time to grow on your natty levels. So many young guys want a "quick fix", you got to understand this isn't a game where you play a little while and then quit for a while. This becomes a lifestyle, whether your cycling or not. Take the above advice and the advice from others. its not harsh, its the truth. Good luck buddy.

[AlphaMike]

I've been doing hours and hours of research daily. And have gained a pretty good understanding of the world of anabolics, PH's, AS's, DS's etc etc. and was tossing the idea of doing a cycle for a while now. Finally being more educated I am confident and I am ready to begin. SHipment will arrive in matter of days.

I am 21 yrs old 5ft9 , 166lbs, BF% right around 12-13%.

I lift 5 days a week, train cardio/abs two days.
M-chest/ 1hr 30. 5 exercises, 5 sets, avg. 8-12 reps or till failure. same goes for every other musc. group. this routine has proved most effective for me as of yet.
T-arms
W-cardio, abs
TH-boulder shoulder
F-back
S-legs
S-cardio/abs
Diet is in check and I am looking to do a nice clean bulk/recomp. Depends which direction i choose to take my diet in. eating right around 300 over maintenance of pretty lean cals. Will prob step it up. Just wanted to do some body conditioning. Full time job, full time college, pretty proud of my diet but it is hard sometimes, not to mention expensive to fufill lean macros on a budget. at 3,000 now. will prob step to 3,500.

morning meal:
2 cups milk,
2 cups flaxseed granola mix
1 tbsp Peanut butter
2 eggs
comes to around 900 cals, 50g protein. not sure fat and carbs.

lunch/post workout:
2 cups milk 1 1/2 scoop elite 7 protein right around 700 cals. throw in handful peanuts and dried fruit, measure in at 1000 cals and 55g protein.

dinner:
grilled chicken breast, tomato cucumber salad 1 scoop mashed potatoes 1 cup chicken soup.
measures in around 1,300 cals and about 60g protein. I know not very much, but remember trying to keep it lean.

finally before bed:, I chug down 1-2 cups of milk and 1 tbsp PB, or peanuts/flaxseed. kinda depends what I feel like.
this gives me about an extra 400 cals and 30g more protein.

Total weigh in: 3,500 cals, right under 200g's protein. not sure fat or carbs.
this doesnt include little cheat snacks here and there. miss my macros some days, go over on others, it all balances. no one is perfect. just gotta try.


Here's what im planning on, with a 5-6 week cycle.
preload cycle assist 10-14 days at rec. dosage.
Have Optimen multi's for on cycle as well and of course 1000mg taurine just in case back pumps.
Protein intake, fish oils, enough cycle assist for entire cycle and PCT.

Cycle dosage:
I decided on MAG-25 by LGI (PMAG clone)
50/75/75/100/100

For PCT:
tamoxifen citrate 20/20/10/10 (yes, i decided on a SERM, let me kno what u think)(is liquid any better than tablets? also, my source is from well, starts with what you do when you buy something and then peptides, lol,reliable?)
CEL Cycle Assist
bioforge
tropinol xp
intimidate srt
WF&Hemavol for PWo
creatine intake will cease when i begin cycle assist load, and begin first day PCT.

So, there it is. Not sure if i missed anything, and please give me good feedback and information. I know what im doing and made up my mind. just want proper help and direction with the route i decided upon. Let me know if i should change any dosing, or anything else. I am a bit nervous to be honest, but have read ALOT and think i have everything in check.

Thank you guys for your time, I will be logging this, so please help as much as you can!
Cant tell you enough how helpful experience and first time users logs are, so i figured i'd decide to comprehensively provide one of my own.

and also, wanted to throw out a big thanks to all the people who have logged and contribute because without u guys, people wouldnt have a damn clue. its cause of you guys I made this decision, im ready, im excited, so thanks. Hope to be done by xmas break (Load,cycle and PCT) the whole thing, so i can visit the fam beefed up a bit and no worry to risk in losing gains too bad. will train at home of course though. (:

You must have done all your reading somewhere else because I haven't seen too many threads here in support of PH cycles. I agree with everything everyone else said, but I see you already bought the stuff and will probably take it all anyway.

[barbery]

Ask yourself what will provide long term keepable gains because it certainly isn't a ph... Don't waste your first cycle to gain 20lbs of water bro...

[Jmartinot451]

Okay, well I do thank all of you guys for your honest input. And obviously will seriously consider everything you have said. I trust the community here.

[crazy mike]

OP you see the comments and some are harsh. But they are saying you are too young. WE know you will do what you want, but please get the most important point here. You do not understand what you need to know about cycling , diet and maybe workouts, SO you need to hold off and learn more.

You have missed the big picture and have not been reading the correct material and or understanding it.
Back to the drawing board and the library. Good luck ...crazy mike