First cycle.. Testosterone + nandrolone

[Ercole]

Hey guys im 18, 190 lbs,15% bf. First, sorry if not talking so well but im from italy. btw, Im on a vial test + deca cycle, i started monday 7 so today is the 12th day on, and i really cant feel any difference, no strenght gain or muscle-water gain, i dont feel like a "superhero" and my libido is normal. So im just concerned about this because i think this stuff might not work on my body. (Its not diet because i eat like 3500 cal a day , about 200 gr of protein or more too, and its not training because its 1 year and half that im training and i do very intensive with progressive overload and everyday i i go with supersets, stripping etc and thats how i became the strongest and biggest in my school)The stuff is ok, not fake! So i think its just my body not reacting to steroids. I thought that just 1 week after first injection i could feel like hulk! What should i do?

[bigsiv]

For starters you have long esters which won't kick in till around week 4.
Secondly your way too young man and you should stop until your fully educated on the subject (I'm not gonna barter the 25+ age thing)

Please stop and do a pct (do you know what that is yet and do you have it ready?)

Your risking serious health issues buddy

[Ercole]

I already studied this subject for like 1 year, i know everything , collateral effects, problems for my age, what is test and nandr and how they work, what they cause in excess and etc everything, but just i never thought that they had a "kick in time" i just didnt know about esters, so thank you very much for your answer! Yes i know what is that, post cycle terapy ( i read a looot of stuff in this forum too), thank you really, but not gonna stop the cycle ( i will on week 10) . So, i have to wait something like 4 weeks..

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/educationa...#.UWZ9Mp5waM8=


There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.





http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[bigsiv]

See straight away you mentioning stoping at week 10 tells me your not educated enough. Nandrolone has one of the longest esters attached to it (deconate) and stoping at week 10 is a waste of cycle.

4 weeks 'kick in' time is dependent on the person and is just estimate. People feel the effects of compounds at different stages.

I will be done with this thread as you are gonna carry on regardless but good luck and be careful.

[crazy mike]

I already studied this subject for like 1 year, i know everything , collateral effects, problems for my age, what is test and nandr and how they work, what they cause in excess and etc everything, but just i never thought that they had a "kick in time" i just didnt know about esters, so thank you very much for your answer! Yes i know what is that, post cycle terapy ( i read a looot of stuff in this forum too), thank you really, but not gonna stop the cycle ( i will on week 10) . So, i have to wait something like 4 weeks..

You contradict yourself, but that's ok. People do that when they don't know everything. So you don't know a few things, well that's it. Even if I was to say ok to your age , which I will not you don't have a clue and just your post shows it. You have not laid out a cycle for us to look at in the proper manner. You didn't mention you use of Ai and the dose. You are using long esters and don't know how they effect your levels and when.

This is JUST the START. YOU in fact most probably WILL regret this later and for the rest of your life when you set out to try to recover from the damage that will ensue. You are really playing Russian roulette and the chambers are all full.

So even as I said was to overlook your age, you in FACT do not know all of what you should to cycle. Read my interview in the back on the anabolic lounge and I m a testimony of a want it now guy, who never thinks bout the ramifications and consequences of what I do/did.

I hope you get this right because this is your life and only YOUR life. You will IMOP suffer some ramifications and I have the exoerience , education, knowledge and age to tell you this. I am being brutally honest and not flaming you in anyway. So please take what I say to heart and not your ego. STOP and get educated. I wish you luck that you find the right way. ...crazy mike

[bigsiv]

Great post crazy mike well said

[Red Bastard]

I already studied this subject for like 1 year, i know everything.....

This statement alone, belies your youthful ignorance. If you knew everything, you wouldn't be here asking simple questions. One year of researching, and you don't understand the most basic aspects of testosterone? Adding Deca to a first cycle? Do you understand AIs? Will you be able to control Prolactin? And, of course, if you spent any time on this forum, you must have known the response that an 18year old boy would get....

[starkiller]

Please listen to what people are saying in your response. You are giving your body what it does not need. I say this from experience; you will have so much better results through a clean diet, good nutrients, and smart work out regimen than you will ever produce from vial of test + deca. That cycle will end, and you will not be the same as you were if you would have done without. You may thiNK your better but you wont be, and in many ways which you will discover over time. This is not to scare you but rather to hopefully look further into your natural abilities. Be carful moving forward, Regards :-)

[Reiid13]

Whats the point in asking the experienced people on the website , if you claim to know everything , yet you clearly dont as you wouldnt run a cycle at 18 when your body is still growing and going through changes ...

[qscgugcsq]

"Hey guys look I know everything!!

Wtf is an ester ????"

duh...

seriously...
your age aside, you cycle is really bad planned and explained...
you havent mention ai/hcg/or PCT.
you use mutiple compound and a 19nor on your first cyclr who is totally unnecessary and irresponsible.

you made your research?? 1 YEARS!!
and you come up wih that...

I dont know what you call "research" but you are clearly doing it wrong.

Stop now and PCT. Deca is one of the most supressive compound...
an injection of 100mg of deca fully shutdown your hpta. But you know that,right?? you know everything.

[Red Bastard]

The OP hasn't been back, since just after his last post in this thread....

[bigsiv]

The OP hasn't been back, since just after his last post in this thread....

He might have taken the advice on board. Hopefully....