Hermaphodite and TRT

[Grymreefer]

Before anything begins this is my room mate not me...

STATS
177 pounds
5' 7''
49 years old
20-22 percent bodyfat

Major medical history- 5 heart attacks (drug induced) 8 round of chemotherapy over 4 year period. Was stage 4 Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma the last time I was at the doctor. It has spread from my lymph nodes, to my throat, then possibly to my brain. (Stopped medical treatment a year ago) I have been told the last 5 years I have less than a year to live. Gets old. I was also a hermaphrodite when I was born and my parents chose that I became a male because my twin was female.

Issues lately...I have no energy all the time, but I have been walking everyday for the last 2-3 months and it has helped with pain level, mood swings, and my overall energy. A glass of pop throughout the day is the only thing that keeps me awake. I know I need to improve my diet A BIG time, but I feel if I had something to supplement my energy efficiently I would almost feel human enough to start caring again.

History- I was a size 26 waist and 117-122 pounds my whole life until I was diagnosed with cancer. Diagnosed in 2006. Immediately upon getting cancer I was violently attacked and suffered major brain damage and was stabbed 4 times leaving the cancer center. I spent 2 and half months in a hospital, 7 days of it was medically induced coma, and then another 6 months in physical rehab. I had to relearn to read, write, learn. (basically all my basic motor functions). After all the chemo and rounds of horrible chemicals I ended up at 177 pounds with 20 percent body fat. I do remember my doctor saying that from all my medications that I've been and the extreme water retention that has resulted I'm around 25 to 30 percent water weight. I only consume around 1800-2000 calories a day. I don't eat breakfast..maybe lunch. Always dinner.

Please don't tell me to just go to the doctor. I want some honest opinion on this. Would testosterone have any benefit to me or would the cancer just negate EVERY single benefit that testosterone would have to me. I'm sure my hormone levels are far below par. I am just looking for some honest opinions and thoughts on what you think about TRT for me.

[thisAngelBites]

It might be a good idea to post your bloodwork. Do you have any form of androgen insensitivity? (AIS?)

[AlphaMike]

I'm sorry...did you say you were attacked and stabbed 4 times leaving a cancer center?

[Grymreefer]

Yes he was attacked. I will get his blood work up. One thing he cannot remember is his childhood from the attack and because of that he cannot remember the hormones and medication he went under as a child to become a male. I will see if he knows anything about androgen insensitivity. He has been wanting to lose weight and he was a big consumer of Fen Phen back in the day. Now he wants to try Clen.

[Grymreefer]

Only problem is if he goes to his doctor, The guy is a complete dickhead and disregards anything he will say and immediately shoves cancer treatment down his throat.

[phaedo]

Have there been any second, third, fourth opinions? I feel like in your situation, OP, several (medical professional) opinions are warranted from physicians specializing in your diagnosis (for example, it's generally better to go to a doctor who specializes in TRT than your primary care physician).

Are you on any current medications right now?

[Grymreefer]

Not to be an asshole I am speaking for my friend pat (the 49 year old) All he would like to know is if he were to go on testosterone replacement therapy..would there be any real detrimental interactions between the testosterone and his cancer. Obviously pat knows he doesn't have much time left on this earth, but he does want to have some energy and life in him to enjoy it. He is just trying to find out if the cancer would completely negate the effect and He is currently in Maine. There is not much out here and the ones who are here should not have medical licenses. Those are his words.

[xcraider37]

Not to be an asshole I am speaking for my friend pat (the 49 year old) All he would like to know is if he were to go on testosterone replacement therapy..would there be any real detrimental interactions between the testosterone and his cancer. Obviously pat knows he doesn't have much time left on this earth, but he does want to have some energy and life in him to enjoy it. He is just trying to find out if the cancer would completely negate the effect and He is currently in Maine. There is not much out here and the ones who are here should not have medical licenses. Those are his words.

Dude most of us are not doctors, and think we know trt, but when you bring up cancer treatment and trt interaction I think that's something your 49 year old buddy needs to discuss with his doctors. If I were him wouldt take advice from a trt forum. JMHO

[bullshark99]

Gry

Your intentions may be noble and your heart in the right place but your coming to the wrong place for answers to yours questions.... A person would need brain damage to go to an internet forum and take medical advive in regards to what you are asking. Your friend obviously has real problems. problems I dont think this "community" is qualified to give you direction on. What if someone tells you "great idea" gonna do it???? Personally "your freind" needs a Drs care, if his doctor is no Good, find a new one, or two. Not what you want to hear Im sure but there are serious issues here.

[bullshark99]

^^^^^^^ Xcraider beat me to it by 1 minute

[xcraider37]

^^^^^^^ Xcraider beat me to it by 1 minute

Well said anyways.

[Juced_porkchop]

Before anything begins this is my room mate not me...

STATS
177 pounds
5' 7''
49 years old
20-22 percent bodyfat

Major medical history- 5 heart attacks (drug induced) 8 round of chemotherapy over 4 year period. Was stage 4 Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma the last time I was at the doctor. It has spread from my lymph nodes, to my throat, then possibly to my brain. (Stopped medical treatment a year ago) I have been told the last 5 years I have less than a year to live. Gets old. I was also a hermaphrodite when I was born and my parents chose that I became a male because my twin was female.

Issues lately...I have no energy all the time, but I have been walking everyday for the last 2-3 months and it has helped with pain level, mood swings, and my overall energy. A glass of pop throughout the day is the only thing that keeps me awake. I know I need to improve my diet A BIG time, but I feel if I had something to supplement my energy efficiently I would almost feel human enough to start caring again.

History- I was a size 26 waist and 117-122 pounds my whole life until I was diagnosed with cancer. Diagnosed in 2006. Immediately upon getting cancer I was violently attacked and suffered major brain damage and was stabbed 4 times leaving the cancer center. I spent 2 and half months in a hospital, 7 days of it was medically induced coma, and then another 6 months in physical rehab. I had to relearn to read, write, learn. (basically all my basic motor functions). After all the chemo and rounds of horrible chemicals I ended up at 177 pounds with 20 percent body fat. I do remember my doctor saying that from all my medications that I've been and the extreme water retention that has resulted I'm around 25 to 30 percent water weight. I only consume around 1800-2000 calories a day. I don't eat breakfast..maybe lunch. Always dinner.

Please don't tell me to just go to the doctor. I want some honest opinion on this. Would testosterone have any benefit to me or would the cancer just negate EVERY single benefit that testosterone would have to me. I'm sure my hormone levels are far below par. I am just looking for some honest opinions and thoughts on what you think about TRT for me.

I would be on Cannabis ASAP for cancer. not just for hunger, but for actually killing the cancer. I rec taking oil extracts by mouth, or plant by mouth or at very least taken by smoke/vapor.

also estrogen and other hormones and peptides could cause cancer to grow faster... so this is very risky. are your test levels low for what a normal male would have? I would not take test to go passed the avrg amount and would watch estrogen very closely if you do end up using it.. I know you don want to hear it but, go to doc with these questions...

I wish you the best man!

[thisAngelBites]

Not to be an asshole I am speaking for my friend pat (the 49 year old) All he would like to know is if he were to go on testosterone replacement therapy..would there be any real detrimental interactions between the testosterone and his cancer. Obviously pat knows he doesn't have much time left on this earth, but he does want to have some energy and life in him to enjoy it. He is just trying to find out if the cancer would completely negate the effect and He is currently in Maine. There is not much out here and the ones who are here should not have medical licenses. Those are his words.

Guys, this guy is not trying to cure his cancer - he is trying to maximise the short time he has left to live. No physician is going to help with this with anything unorthodox or anabolic, especially when they want to keep going with cancer treatment. But he is unwilling to continue the anti cancer protocol, and I have some sympathy and understanding for his position. It's doubtful that anyone (not only here) knows the answer to his questions, but I certainly can understand where he is coming from, and while I don't have any answers, I will certainly try to help to think about it.

Grym, one of the reasons he probably feels like crap is all the chemo and stuff. And radiation and chemo can lower testosterone. Before jumping to testosterone, though, it would be good to know if his tissues are generally or partially insensitive to it, which is why I asked about androgen insensitivity syndrome. Many intersex people who are referred to as hermaphrodites have a type of AIS.

Consider also that he feels like crap (not only due to cancer, but also) because of the stress and damage from chemo and that perhaps looking at alternative ways to recover the body from all that poison might be something that would help him feel better. Things that might help undo some chemo damage to healthy tissue. I don't know a lot about chemo, so I can't help, but I would google and steer clear of the mainstream sites, which won't recommend anything unless it is double-blind placebo controlled, and Pat doesn't have time for that.

[Grymreefer]

Guys, this guy is not trying to cure his cancer - he is trying to maximise the short time he has left to live. No physician is going to help with this with anything unorthodox or anabolic, especially when they want to keep going with cancer treatment. But he is unwilling to continue the anti cancer protocol, and I have some sympathy and understanding for his position. It's doubtful that anyone (not only here) knows the answer to his questions, but I certainly can understand where he is coming from, and while I don't have any answers, I will certainly try to help to think about it.

Grym, one of the reasons he probably feels like crap is all the chemo and stuff. And radiation and chemo can lower testosterone. Before jumping to testosterone, though, it would be good to know if his tissues are generally or partially insensitive to it, which is why I asked about androgen insensitivity syndrome. Many intersex people who are referred to as hermaphrodites have a type of AIS.

Consider also that he feels like crap (not only due to cancer, but also) because of the stress and damage from chemo and that perhaps looking at alternative ways to recover the body from all that poison might be something that would help him feel better. Things that might help undo some chemo damage to healthy tissue. I don't know a lot about chemo, so I can't help, but I would google and steer clear of the mainstream sites, which won't recommend anything unless it is double-blind placebo controlled, and Pat doesn't have time for that.

At least you understand what I was trying to say. Also for the person that said cannabis. Yes he does. We are just going to try to go to a doctor he has never seen and see if we can get an opinion on bloodwork without letting him no anything about his previous medical history. I just wanted to get a second opinion on what I was going to try to help him with.

[chi]

At least you understand what I was trying to say. Also for the person that said cannabis. Yes he does. We are just going to try to go to a doctor he has never seen and see if we can get an opinion on bloodwork without letting him no anything about his previous medical history. I just wanted to get a second opinion on what I was going to try to help him with.

I understand what you are trying to do but it would be unethical for a doctor to not ask for previous medical history and just make a decision based on bw because of personal liability and possible complications from interactions with current treatments and scripts. Your roommates situation is very unique and as mentioned this is probably not the place to seek the advice or answers you need.

[Grymreefer]

Thanks for the replies everyone. My room mate notices those Androgel commercials on tv and always wonders if it would benefit him at all. Just terrified to go to doctor, because they force all the cancer treatments down your throat (which haven't worked for him the last 5 years)

[Bonaparte]

Depending on what form of cancer it is, testosterone could speed its progression.

[dreadnok89]

Thanks for the replies everyone. My room mate notices those Androgel commercials on tv and always wonders if it would benefit him at all. Just terrified to go to doctor, because they force all the cancer treatments down your throat (which haven't worked for him the last 5 years)

They haven't worked for him but he's still alive after having cancer for 5 years. Makes sense. This is by far one of thee worse stories I have ever read. Good luck to your friend in any route he takes

[chi]

They haven't worked for him but he's still alive after having cancer for 5 years. Makes sense. This is by far one of thee worse stories I have ever read. Good luck to your friend in any route he takes

Definitely have a point there and not to be callous but I don't understand why the fact that he was born a hermphrodite was added in? Was that a ploy for sympathy or was it for attention as I don't see it pertinent to the questions being asked?

[Grymreefer]

Definitely have a point there and not to be callous but I don't understand why the fact that he was born a hermphrodite was added in? Was that a ploy for sympathy or was it for attention as I don't see it pertinent to the questions being asked?

The reason for explaining his intersex was thinking that his previous use of androgenic hormones could possibly complicated any testosterone therapy as someone said above, there could be a possibly of having Androgen Insensitivity.

Thanks for the input though, don't want to bump this anymore just wanted to see if testosterone would IMPROVE quality of life while it lasts..not cure cancer and not to get big. Just to make my room mate and good friend feel human enough to care for a little bit more of his life.

[powerlifterty16]

i thought trt was a no no for people with cancer...doesn't it worsen cancer? i do know nelson vergel is on trt and has cancer. i have no idea what kind though...he seems to be doing pretty well though that's for sure.

[powerlifterty16]

op, i advise you to send a private message to either lowtmike, or muscleink. muscleink is a doctor, and he also knows his stuff on testosterone. lowtmike knows his stuff and is a physicians assistant who runs the low t clinic. these guys have credentials and also are not incompetent like the drs you are seeing.

keep in mind they wont be able to tell you much online due to laws, but they should be able to offer something useful. both have been very nice to me..although i sound in better shape than you/your friend, that's for sure.
i think trt causes cancer to get worse, but depending on how long he has, it may be worth it.