2nd cycle Test/deca/dbol

[Machdiesel]

Stats are 29, 208lbs cutting to 10% bf before cycling. A few years lifting experience. Just started TRT(im primary)

Ok so I recently went on TRT, I have never cycled and never used any PHs. Once my TRT is dialed in with dosage and AI I am going to run my first cycle of 500mg TEST E a week and 40mg of dbol a week for the first 4 weeks. After that I plan to do a second cycle of

Week 1-14 TEST e 600mg
Week 1-12 400 mg deca
Week 1-5 dbol 50 mg
Exemestane 12.5 mg EOD
NO PCT JUST BACK TO MY TRT

My question is regarding the deca. Should I have something like letrozole and caber(or prami) on hand incase i get the dreaded deca sides. Should I just run something like caber the entire time?is deca even my best choice? My plan is to get to 10% bf then take the next year to add as much mass as possible using the 2 cycles outline above thanks

[MuscleInk]

Ok so I recently went on TRT, I have never cycled and never used any PHs. Once my TRT is dialed in with dosage and AI I am going to run my first cycle of 500mg TEST E a week and 40mg of dbol a week for the first 4 weeks. After that I plan to do a second cycle of

Week 1-14 TEST e 600mg
Week 1-12 400 mg deca
Week 1-5 dbol 50 mg
Exemestane 12.5 mg EOD
NO PCT JUST BACK TO MY TRT

My question is regarding the deca. Should I have something like letrozole and caber(or prami) on hand incase i get the dreaded deca sides. Should I just run something like caber the entire time?is deca even my best choice? My plan is to get to 10% bf then take the next year to add as much mass as possible using the 2 cycles outline above thanks

Aromasin is typically dosed DAILY not EOD due to the shorter half life.

Why not stick to a test-only first cycle. It's easier to control side effects and see how your body responds to a single ester before stacking compounds you've never used.

What is your current natty test level out of curiosity?

What about stats (bf, height, weight, etc.) - out of curiosity.

[Bevsta123]

personally if your bulking id do a low test high deca cyc;

Week 1-14 TEST e 250-350mg - TRT dose?
Week 1-12 600-800 mg deca


but yes keep in mind what muscle has mentioned

[Machdiesel]

My total test Was 289, and my free test i forget but Was out of range low. Reason for low T is due to only having one testicle. MY trt dose is 60mg test Cyp every 3 days. Getting first BW in 3 weeks to evaluate test levles And E2. Im 6'0, 209, mid teens BF. About putting deca higher then test I read to keep sides low keep test higher. I'd rather have less sides and maybe less gains then tje sides you read about running deca higher then test. I decided to put dbol in my first cycle to see gains In the first 4 weeks, then let the test kick in and continue making gains

[MuscleInk]

My total test Was 289, and my free test i forget but Was out of range low. Reason for low T is due to only having one testicle. MY trt dose is 60mg test Cyp every 3 days. Getting first BW in 3 weeks to evaluate test levles And E2. Im 6'0, 209, mid teens BF. About putting deca higher then test I read to keep sides low keep test higher. I'd rather have less sides and maybe less gains then tje sides you read about running deca higher then test. I decided to put dbol in my first cycle to see gains In the first 4 weeks, then let the test kick in and continue making gains

Ok, thanks for the info, that's helpful to know. I just ran a cycle with NPP as one of my compounds (600mg/wk) in a stack. I cut the NPP short because it was causing more water retention and bloating than I was comfortable with. Now I'm heading in the opposite direction drying out.

When I run any 19-nors I usually add caber with my AI to reduce prolactin, however, if you control your E2 properly, you may get by without the dopamine agonists. I've tried both cabergoline and pramipexole. My body just does not tolerate prami well at all. Some guys report few if any problems but I have to stick to caber as its the dopamine agonist with the fewest side effects for me.

I'd personally stick with test-only on this cycle and then maybe consider adding others on subsequent cycles. Nothing wrong with adding deca, I just prefer simple cycles when starting out to see how you tolerate the hormones before going overboard.

[Machdiesel]

Ya I was thinking of running more of a lean gains type stack but then said F it, I'm dedicating a year to putting on as much mass as possible then evaluating my bf once I have some size. So you think the second cycle looks good except maybe run 10mg ED of exemestane and see how I feel(also 10mg ed for first cycle?) Also just keep caber and letrozole on hand incase I need it? I'll know more about how I Aromatize in 3 weeks when I get my bloodwork, then if I'm on an AI ill know what dose puts me where and make an educated guess on dosage for cycle. Gonna be a fun year

[Machdiesel]

Ok guys how's this look

1-14Test Enanthate 600mg/wk ( Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs )
1-12 Nandrolone Decanate 400mg/wk ( Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs )
1-5 Dbol 50mg/ed

1-14 Aromasin 10mg/ed
1-12 Cabergoline .5mg Twice Weekly

Edit: not sure how letro is used when running an AI, should I still have it on hand?

[Mp859]

Ok guys how's this look

1-14Test Enanthate 600mg/wk ( Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs )
1-12 Nandrolone Decanate 400mg/wk ( Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs )
1-5 Dbol 50mg/ed

1-14 Aromasin 10mg/ed
1-12 Cabergoline .5mg Twice Weekly

Looks good
Maybe run 30mg dbol if its legit.

And if you are using liquid aromasin it is probably going to be 25mg/ml so it would be easier to run 12.5mg Ed

[BluPhin]

personally if your bulking id do a low test high deca cyc;

Week 1-14 TEST e 250-350mg - TRT dose?
Week 1-12 600-800 mg deca


but yes keep in mind what muscle has mentioned

What advantage does the higher deca to test ratio offer? Most cycles I see are higher test. But I have noticed that some guys prefer higher deca.

[Mp859]

What advantage does the higher deca to test ratio offer? Most cycles I see are higher test. But I have noticed that some guys prefer higher deca.

Start your own thread about it and you will get replies

[songdog]

Bro its only your 2nd cycle! You are only going to grow so much each cycle.So you stacking at this point is not nessecary.

[Machdiesel]

Bro its only your 2nd cycle! You are only going to grow so much each cycle.So you stacking at this point is not nessecary.

Most places I read say first cycle either test only or test+dbol and 2nd cycle test+dbol + possible one other compound? What would you suggest ? Cycle 1 500mg test E +30mg dbol cycle 2 500mg test 50mg dbol?

[Machdiesel]

Looks good
Maybe run 30mg dbol if its legit.

And if you are using liquid aromasin it is probably going to be 25mg/ml so it would be easier to run 12.5mg Ed

They are 10mg pills

[Mp859]

They are 10mg pills

Then do 10mg you may need 20mg with all those compounds

[Machdiesel]

Then do 10mg you may need 20mg with all those compounds

I'm sorry I meant 20mg pills, gonna cut in half