One Cycle Long Term

[Placebro]

I am currently just gathering info for my future cycle and I have a question.

Assuming I were to have totally solid nutrition before, during and after a cycle, with a proper pct after. Then I made it out with-oh say 5 lbs of muscle gains, would I maintain that muscle the same way I would naturally? IE if I ate enough to support those tissues, would they stay with no subsequent cycles? Or would they eventually be lost? I have searched but have yet to see a conclusive answer.

thanks

[Bert]

You may or may not keep the gains, as there are a lot of factors that come into play.

[AlphaMike]

You probably will if you're not past your genetic potential

[hell911]

You probably will if you're not past your genetic potential

so is it better to use AAS while you are not past genetic potential? since you can keep weight and add more and more even before and after genetic potential.

[AlphaMike]

I'm not saying use it when you're well below your genetic limit, who really knows what that is anyway? lifetime pursuit. What I will say is build a good solid base at a good weight/bf %, have at least a couple years of serious lifting under your belt, and then go ahead and take the aas route idf that's for you. so short answer: its not better or worse really

[Placebro]

I'm not saying use it when you're well below your genetic limit, who really knows what that is anyway? lifetime pursuit. What I will say is build a good solid base at a good weight/bf %, have at least a couple years of serious lifting under your belt, and then go ahead and take the aas route idf that's for you. so short answer: its not better or worse really

So here's my situation. I am currently 22. I have been training for 9 years, the past 2 much harder than the first 7 and with a very solid diet. I know I am not at my genetic potential, but I have been waiting for AAS due to many people saying to wait till I hit my maximum potential-the whole 225+20 is better than 200+20 type thing.

My thought in making this post is that I don't want to be dependent upon steroids to maintain the gains I would potentially make on cycle.....maybe take every so often to bump up, but not on all the time.


Also, does that mean if I am above my potential and get off the cycle that I am doomed to lose it all if I'm not on regularly?

[Placebro]

Also, does that mean with my stats I could go ahead and take them to shortcut the whole genetic potential thing or what? I was all for waiting but now I'm kinda wondering if I should just go ahead and do it since if I wait it's pretty much a rest of my life or nothing type deal where now still has a one and done potential.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

22 and training 9 years. Do you consider the ages 13-19 experienced training years?

What are your stats right now? I say continue training properly to achieve the goal you set out to achieve. After more experience you will know if you want to use AAS.

[Placebro]

Nope-Only the last two have been what I would classify as bodybuilding training-diet, training, recovery....but that is two full years of solid macros, lifting and recovery.

6'4 and at this moment I am 240 at about 16-17% I would guestimate. htt p://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/community/user/justinmilne/ for pics (sorry-had to space out http so that I could post it because I am new here.


little pudgy still, but was thinking maybe once I got to like 10-12% or something I might consider a cycle.

Totally open to you telling me thats a dumb Idea-but I would like to know why-especially considering what hell911 said earlier. Thanks

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I don't see anything in that link bro, it's an empty profile.

[Placebro]

delete the space between htt and p

[Placebro]

ht tp://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/justinmilne/

sorry-hope this one works

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I can't tell what bodyfat you are from any of those pics.

I would say keep training how you are doing before you get into AAS.

[Cuz]

Keep training. Train hard too. Get your diet together and eat more than you are now. You are not eating enough. Not anywhere near time to even think about cycling man.

[Placebro]

Keep training. Train hard too. Get your diet together and eat more than you are now. You are not eating enough. Not anywhere near time to even think about cycling man.

I have my diet and training in check. On a bulk, I am at 4300-4400cals every day. I haven't said I'm not gaining, simply looking into the idea of bypassing this stage for the above-mentioned reasons. Currently, I am cutting so that is why the pics have been getting smaller

[Mp859]

You née to lower your body fat

[Placebro]

Yeah, I know-I said earlier I was going to wait at least until I hit the 10-12% mark-thoughts?

[redz]

In that first pic Id guess 25%+ bf Can`r really tell though

[Placebro]

In that first pic Id guess 25%+ bf Can`r really tell though

oh wait so you can't see all of them? My bad-theres like 20 on there and I thought you could see all of them-that would make sense then.

[docdoc]

I am currently just gathering info for my future cycle and I have a question.

Assuming I were to have totally solid nutrition before, during and after a cycle, with a proper pct after. Then I made it out with-oh say 5 lbs of muscle gains, would I maintain that muscle the same way I would naturally? IE if I ate enough to support those tissues, would they stay with no subsequent cycles? Or would they eventually be lost? I have searched but have yet to see a conclusive answer.

thanks

If I'm understanding your question correctly, medically speaking, it all comes down to hyperplasia Vs hypertrophy. I'm not going to consider any "genetic factors" that people are talking about. Unless you were born with a condition that rapidly catabolizes your muscles or something like that.

Without going into excessive details about human skeletal muscle and in order to give you a straight and direct answer this is my reply:

I'm gona briefly tell u about human skeletal muscle. It's complex… no sh!t lol. Muscles are made up of cells. The number of cells in your muscle determines it's size BUT there's a pathological process called atrophy (I'll get to atrophy in a bit). So, according to what I just told you.. you would be able to answer this question: What is one of the ways by which u can increase your muscle size? Answer would be Increase the number of skeletal muscle cells. The process that increases the NUMBER of cells in any tissue (including muscles) is called HYPERPLASIA!
Now, you can also give your muscles SORT of an illusion buy increasing the VOLUME INSIDE THE CELL instead of increasing the number of cells. This process is called HYPERTROPHY! for example, when you take creatine you feel and look bloated… why is that? It's because creatine works by pushing more water and sodium into the cells itself and the cells will swell up like a balloon because of it.

So, to sum the boring stuff I just told you.. HYPERPLASIA = Increase in NUMBER of cells. HYPERTROPHY = Increase in VOLUME (size) of the cell.

What happens when you work out… You stretch your individual muscle fibers and break the fibers. This is a good thing because your body will heal those broken fibers by utilizing the protein and carbs present within your body to make more cells to join the fibers together again (this is why u feel sore after working out). And if this process is repeated over time, you will increase the number of cells in that muscle (HYPERPLASIA!).

Now let me tell you about atrophy. Atrophy can be both: Reduction in number of cells OR reduction in size (volume) of the cells. When you stop using a certain muscle or tissue, it will atrophy. Because your body dsnt like to waste it's resources. I'll give you 2 examples of atrophy. 1) Testicles, they produce testosterone. There's sort of a sensor in your body that helps maintain proper, predesignated, genetically encoded, levels of everything in your body. So when you inject additional testosterone, your body is going to sense that excess testosterone and tell the testicles to stop producing them and as a result testes won't be needed at that time and they will atrophy or "shrink". Example 2) If you were to fracture your arm and had a plaster over it for 2 months or so and when u finally take the plaster off you'll notice how one arm is smaller than the other. Thats because you stopped using that arm cause of the injury and muscles in that arm have atrophied.


You asked if you will eventually lose the MUSCLE that you gained from your cycle. Well to answer that question, you have to understand how steroids work. In short, steroids cause both Hyperplasia and Hypertrophy… which would explain the water retention and the weight loss after your cycle. BUT You do keep the cells that went thru HYPERPLASIA. So, if you keep working out and feed your muscles you will keep those muscles.. potentially for life, as long as you don't deprive yourself of proteins and carbs. And trust me when I say this.. Us americans get way too much of it. So you're good. But if you were to try to lose weight (to cutdown or whatever) and instead of doing it the right way you tried to starve yourself, you will deprive your muscles of essential proteins and carbs and as a result your body will use the resources stored in your cells for energy. and when that happens those cells will atrophy and die. end result would be loss of number of cells (hypoplasia) AKA losing the muscle you gained or were born with.

Gaining muscles both, the natural way or with the help of juice share the same pathological process in building your muscles. the only difference is that juice will help you gain it faster.

I hope this helped with answering your question. forgive me if I left out some details but I'm pretty sure I got the main points in.
Thank you and have a nice day.

[Placebro]

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the fatter of the two are me now-with the skinnier two being me last year when I was skinnier