How to safely use test 250 enanthate

[BostonSportsFan1]

Hello All,

I'm 21 years old, 5'11'', 185 lb. I work out 4-5 days a week and just bought steroids from my buddy who offered me them. I figured I'd buy the because the opportunity to buy such illegal and useful things doesn't come around every day for me. I've got a few basic questions even though I've scoured countless forums seeking answers.

How can I safely take Testosterone 250 Enanthate? Let me elaborate...HOW CAN I REDUCE THE RISK OF SIDE EFFECTS??

I've concluded that I will be using 250 mg shots of Test E on Mondays and Thursdays for 10 weeks. I have Clomid for a PCT. I don't want to bald, I don't want my balls to stop working, and I ESPECIALLY don't want "GYNO". I am vaguely familiar with Aromatase Inhibitors and am getting mixed reviews on how necessary they are. Please include a comprehensive guide on what combination of pills/injectables I should use to minimize my risk of side effects. Also what is the best PCT approach?

Thank you all for your time.

BostonFan1

[kronik420]

read http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[kronz]

^^^^

[Igifuno]

Welcome to the community Boston - I like you already (from Worcester originally )

Few things here... first and foremost (and you're not going to want to hear this), you are too young for steroids. Period. You should wait another 4 years minimum before you consider putting any aas on your body. You run the risk of putting serious and permanant damage to your system.

Obviously, you have a lot of reseach to do and I'm glad you came here to ask. It will, however, be up to you to be smart and do the right thing. I know how tempting it can be to just do it.. you have the gear, all you need to do is inject.. wrong. If you know its legit, sell it back to your friend, or just get rid of it. Small price to pay for some longevity to your hpta.

Pct you have in mind is incomplete, and hcg should be of interest to you considering the lack of side effects you desire. Not sure what mixed reviews are out there regarding AIs, but you should definitely invest in one when you're ready to take the plunge.. which is not now.

Read the link that kronik posted and stick around, study/research, train hard, eat well, grow naturally for a few more years and you will be in a much better position to run a cycle then.

Tough to hear man but this is the truth. Hope you're smart and do what's best for your body.

Go Sox/Pats/Bruins/Celtics!!!

[BostonSportsFan1]

Thanks for the advice gentlemen... still looking for answers to my questions though.

[ScotchGuard02]

Hello All,

I'm 21 years old, You have to read Young and Steroids that was recommended 5'11'', 185 lb. I work out 4-5 days a week and just bought steroids from my buddy who offered me them. I figured I'd buy the because the opportunity to buy such illegal and useful things doesn't come around every day for me. I've got a few basic questions even though I've scoured countless forums seeking answers.

How can I safely take Testosterone 250 Enanthate? Let me elaborate...HOW CAN I REDUCE THE RISK OF SIDE EFFECTS?? I hate to be the guy to bear bad news. It's impossible to tell how severe the side affects will be until you take the steroid. Every body is different.

I've concluded that I will be using 250 mg shots of Test E on Mondays and Thursdays for 10 weeks. I have Clomid for a PCT. I don't want to bald, if your hormones are dispositioned to hairloss, you're gonna lose hair I don't want my balls to stop working, exogenous Test level will slow down your natural production of Test. This means that your balls will shrink. It happens to 100% of steroid users. The degree to which your testes atrophy depends on the individual and if you're taking HCG during cycle. and I ESPECIALLY don't want "GYNO" You can take AI to preven this. Some guys are more proned to gyno than others. My cousin got gyno going through puberty. You can prevent gyno with a little bit of planning.. I am vaguely familiar with Aromatase Inhibitors and am getting mixed reviews on how necessary they are. Please include a comprehensive guide on what combination of pills/injectables I should use to minimize my risk of side effects. Also what is the best PCT approach? You need to do a search and read. There is a LOT of information on the topics you're asking about.

Thank you all for your time.

BostonFan1

I'm not trying to be a smartass. You're been given good advice by guys that are more Sr. than me. Be safe, wait a few more years before you start on steroids.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[BostonSportsFan1]

Let me hit you all with what I've gathered.. I didn't want to enter too much info about what I know for fear of influencing answers.

wk 1-10: test E 250mg on Mondays and Thursdays
wk 1-10: Aromasin (AI) (If early sides show) .25mg every other day
wk 1-13: 250iu 2x a week (on days before test injection)

PCT starts wk 13: clomid 75 mg a day
wk 14: 50 mg a day
wk 15: 50 mg a day
wk 16: 50 mg a day
wk 17: 50-25 mg a day


Let me know what you think...

Thanks,

BSF1

[Igifuno]

Sounds like you've already made up your mind to move forward with your cycle, regardless of the feedback and facts given with respect to administrating exogenous androgens during development, which you are more than likely still in.

With regard to your cycle, test doses are standard, up aromasin dose to 25mg/ed and you need to incorporate nolvadex into your pct and run like this:

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolv: 40/20/20/20

I'm interested to know what you plan to do though. Are you going to move forward with your cycle, or will you choose to be smart and postpone until the recommended age?

[BostonSportsFan1]

Igifuno,

I played 4 years of college soccer and I'm built for endurance. I'm a good eater but a hard gainer. I'm getting anywhere from 2500 to 4000 calories a day and my buddy that gave me the gear says he's consuming up to 6k cals a day while using the test 250 e. It's such an attractive idea. I've worked hard and taken creatine, vasodilators, and a test booster in the past and the quick gains were great. Needless to say they disappear once you stop taking supplements. I'm certainly considering the long term NEGATIVE side effects from REAL GEAR and to be honest haven't made up my mind. I appreciate your sincerity (from what I can tell you seem to be genuine in your remarks) and will do some more thinking. In the end I'll probably wait a year or two but it's good to know how to USE when the time DOES come.


Thanks again.

BSF1

[BostonSportsFan1]

kinda sucks navigating through all this shit though... so many scam sites selling nolva and hcg. I wish someone would hook it up with a reliable source. I understand that's ridiculous request but one can hope.

[kronz]

Confuses Arimidex and aromasin (big difference dosage wise), ignores advice and now asking for source. ...

[ickythump]

typical Boston sports fan.....lol I kid....gotta read the rules bud, and I thought you already had a source??

edited because I thought this was the guy with the attitude, I'm mixing up threads, my apologies if you read the previous post bsf1

[Igifuno]

Igifuno,

I played 4 years of college soccer and I'm built for endurance. I'm a good eater but a hard gainer. I'm getting anywhere from 2500 to 4000 calories a day and my buddy that gave me the gear says he's consuming up to 6k cals a day while using the test 250 e. It's such an attractive idea. I've worked hard and taken creatine, vasodilators, and a test booster in the past and the quick gains were great. Needless to say they disappear once you stop taking supplements. I'm certainly considering the long term NEGATIVE side effects from REAL GEAR and to be honest haven't made up my mind. I appreciate your sincerity (from what I can tell you seem to be genuine in your remarks) and will do some more thinking. In the end I'll probably wait a year or two but it's good to know how to USE when the time DOES come.


Thanks again.

BSF1

Absolutely bro, we care about our members here and will always look out for your best interest. Glad you here asking questions. Its a big decision but you should feel good about waiting.. its really the right thing for you long term health interest.

kinda sucks navigating through all this shit though... so many scam sites selling nolva and hcg. I wish someone would hook it up with a reliable source. I understand that's ridiculous request but one can hope.

You can get nolv as well as other SERMs/AI and other products from the board sponser ar-r.com

Otherwise, be careful asking for a source. This is not a source board and watch out for scammers.

[BostonSportsFan1]

My bad for asking for source. Still new to this forum. Any feedback is appreciated.

BSF1

[BostonSportsFan1]

Hey all,

Just got in some liquidex.. wondering how I should work it in to my cycle, I heard I could substitute it in for a AI but I'm not sure on the dosage .. I'll restate it for convenience.

wk 1-10: test E 250mg on Mondays and Thursdays
wk 1-10: Aromasin (AI) (If early sides show) 25mg every day
wk 1-10: HCG 250iu 2x a week (on days before test pin)

PCT starts wk 13: clomid 75 mg a day
wk 14: 50 mg a day
wk 15: 50 mg a day
wk 16: 50 mg a day
wk 17: 50-25 mg a day


Thanks,

BSF1

[Igifuno]

I apologize in advance, but I'm going to plead my case one more time.

Bro, at 21 your body is alreay producing a high level of testosterone and will be for a few years to come, probably until you're around 25. You can feasibly accomplish your goals without aas right now. you will only be damaging yourself, potentially long term if you move forward with this cycle.

I really hope you reconsider.

Ok, that said, pct needs to ad nolv at 40/20/20/20. You can do 5 weeks of clomid if you want but 4 weeks is the standard with that length of a cycle.

[Igifuno]

and you don't need l-dex if you're using aromasin already. They're both aromatase inhibitors. Pick one.. I prefer aromasin at the dose you outlined. If you choose l-dex, go with .25/eod and adjust from there if necessary.

[aviator850]

Honestly I wouldn't worry about your balls to stop producing. They probably will stop for a short period but you'll most likely just bounce back due to your age. This all depends on the person of course.

As for gyno you can take arimdex .5mg everyday. Again this really depends on the person. I'm not gyno prone, unless I feel like my nipples are getting sore I don't even bother. It's always good to have on hand though.

My first cycle was just Test Enth and I didn't even do PCT and was fine. It's every cycle afterwards plus if your stacking you want to complete a PCT. If you are concerned just take clomid 50/50/50/50 (That's 1 clomid pill per day at 50mg for 4 weeks). Start taking that about 2 weeks after your last injection.

You really just have to read about what you want to stack (mix) your test with. If it's your first cycle just do test and see what you think. If it's good test you'll notice a difference. Just remember if you do decide on your next cycle to stack, test is always your base. Meaning if you want to add in deca or tren or whatever, always use test as well.

[Igifuno]

I think the best thing you stated is that everyone is different.

With regard to not taking an AI, how to you expect to control estrogen? Its not just gyno that you have to worry about. If you think that is the only thing an AI is for then you need to do some reseacrh yourself.

How do you know you were fine after not doing PCT, did you get bloodwork? Do you think telling someone that they only need to do PCT after multiple cycles is good advice, and that they should just run clomid 'if they're concerned'?

[atmjw]

Do you think telling someone that they only need to do PCT after multiple cycles is good advice, and that they should just run clomid 'if they're concerned'?

this isnt the first thread he's given this advice... he must know something we don't

[aviator850]

I think the best thing you stated is that everyone is different.

With regard to not taking an AI, how to you expect to control estrogen? Its not just gyno that you have to worry about. If you think that is the only thing an AI is for then you need to do some reseacrh yourself.

How do you know you were fine after not doing PCT, did you get bloodwork? Do you think telling someone that they only need to do PCT after multiple cycles is good advice, and that they should just run clomid 'if they're concerned'?

sorry didn't state that an AI can control estrogen, which it can. Yeah, I do get blood work done, as a matter of fact I'm getting it done tomorrow. I really don't see a point in running HCG or anything else for PCT for a test only cycle. If he really wants too do 250-500 units of HCG during cycle. I really don't see a point on a test only cycle again.. You can do nova and clomid for PCT if you really wanted too on a "test" only cycle, I wouldn't.. Oh and if you really want to go crazy go ahead and do an HCG blast after your last injection leading up to your PCT.

[aviator850]

this isnt the first thread he's given this advice... he must know something we don't

What else would you need for a test only cycle?? IMO guys who don't want to mess around with HCG, it's perfectly fine to just do a SERM to recover from a test only cycle..

[NaijaBoy]

OP, what you've posted sounds fine. Just add Nolva to your PCT and pick either the liquidex or the Aromasin.

However, my ultimate advice to you would be to wait a few years and do some more reading as your question had been answered multiple times.

[marcus300]

Honestly I wouldn't worry about your balls to stop producing. They probably will stop for a short period but you'll most likely just bounce back due to your age. This all depends on the person of course.

As for gyno you can take arimdex .5mg everyday. Again this really depends on the person. I'm not gyno prone, unless I feel like my nipples are getting sore I don't even bother. It's always good to have on hand though.

My first cycle was just Test Enth and I didn't even do PCT and was fine. It's every cycle afterwards plus if your stacking you want to complete a PCT. If you are concerned just take clomid 50/50/50/50 (That's 1 clomid pill per day at 50mg for 4 weeks). Start taking that about 2 weeks after your last injection.

You really just have to read about what you want to stack (mix) your test with. If it's your first cycle just do test and see what you think. If it's good test you'll notice a difference. Just remember if you do decide on your next cycle to stack, test is always your base. Meaning if you want to add in deca or tren or whatever, always use test as well.

Really bad advice for the OP,

Please ignore it IMHO.

[aviator850]

Really bad advice for the OP,

Please ignore it IMHO.

Yeah just ignore it.. 3 guys already said it's terrible advice. My mistake.

[Megalodon6]

I've ran two cycles my last at 21 my first at 18. After my second cycle at 21 years old my body shut down hard. I had all the signs and symptoms of low t ED low libido low energy very moody memory issues the list goes on and on.

I'm 23 now and I'm prolly gunna have to go on trt for life. It sucks man you've been advised by some very knowledgeable guys if I were you I would take that advice. I wish I would've gotten this kind of advice before I ran my two cycles and I wouldn't be in the situation I'm in now. I hope you make the right choice

[marcus300]

I've ran two cycles my last at 21 my first at 18. After my second cycle at 21 years old my body shut down hard. I had all the signs and symptoms of low t ED low libido low energy very moody memory issues the list goes on and on.

I'm 23 now and I'm prolly gunna have to go on trt for life. It sucks man you've been advised by some very knowledgeable guys if I were you I would take that advice. I wish I would've gotten this kind of advice before I ran my two cycles and I wouldn't be in the situation I'm in now. I hope you make the right choice

Thanks for telling us your experience

[Megalodon6]

Thanks for telling us your experience

No prob big guy. I've told a couple of guys on here my situation and how it came about I've changed some of their minds so hopefully Boston will listen to all the advice given.

[ghettoboyd]

I just wanted to add one more thing I don't believe anyone has said yet....just like the supplements you did before once your done your cycle, with your lack of knowledge/experience your gains will disappear shortly after your cycle so dose all this trouble seem worth it?...nothing is permanent with aas bro, except the damage to you hpta from cycling to young....just throwing that out there as I know your going to do it anyways...

[BostonSportsFan1]

I just wanted to add one more thing I don't believe anyone has said yet....just like the supplements you did before once your done your cycle, with your lack of knowledge/experience your gains will disappear shortly after your cycle so dose all this trouble seem worth it?...nothing is permanent with aas bro, except the damage to you hpta from cycling to young....just throwing that out there as I know your going to do it anyways...

Not sure what you're getting at there but I'll run a 5 min mile and put up 225 for 10x3 any day of the week..just getting tired of the same old shit looking to experience what all the steroid hype is about. Looking to get swole maybe for some of the same reasons you were when you first used. Unreal how disrespectful people can be. I wasn't far off on my cycle post and YEAH I AM unexperienced, otherwise I might not be asking what's good for a FIRST CYCLE.


BSF1

[ghettoboyd]

well man what I was getting at is that steroids are not magic and will only temporarily "blow you up" if you don't have a all the elements to running a successful cycle.....what I see is a kid asking to be spoon fed everything he needs to know without putting much effort into it...if your diet(diet being to key to success) isn't in tune to your goals (i.e. are you bulking, cutting, do you know your tdee stuff like that) then your already headed for failure..really bro regardless of how macho and strong you are if you expect permanent results with no side effects then you need to step off you pedestal and get real with yourself cus it isn't going to happen using aas...as far as what to do to run a "safe" cycle there are countless beginner cycle threads you can comb through...start with the young and steroids cus in reality your to young to even consider this and you really need to weigh the risk to reward factor here before making any decisions...

[ghettoboyd]

ohh and for the record im 41yrs old and didn't start aas till I was 36 after many many years natty building a base for which to build upon using steroids....

[BostonSportsFan1]

Instead of starting a new thread I thought I'd just add to this one because you've collectively provided great information...

If I sub out the test enanthate for HGH what are some differences in cycling that I should consider? Does the same pct apply? Are the sides similar to test e?


Thanks,
BSF1

[BostonSportsFan1]

Yyeeeaaaaaa just got all my gear and my pct I'm 22 now and 195 lb and I'm gonna do the damn thang already. Got my clomid from an UG source and same with nolva. Good looks to y'all and thanks for the advice. One last question...

My buddy ran the same test e 250 and didn't take an AI or HCG. Just ran test 10 wks then ran nolva/clomid a few weeks later. I know everyone is different but he's telling me I don't need to run anything but the test and then the nolva/clom pct. What do you all suggest?

[newguy92]

Yyeeeaaaaaa just got all my gear and my pct I'm 22 now and 195 lb and I'm gonna do the damn thang already. Got my clomid from an UG source and same with nolva. Good looks to y'all and thanks for the advice. One last question... My buddy ran the same test e 250 and didn't take an AI or HCG. Just ran test 10 wks then ran nolva/clomid a few weeks later. I know everyone is different but he's telling me I don't need to run anything but the test and then the nolva/clom pct. What do you all suggest?

be safe, run the AI and HcG

[BostonSportsFan1]

Hey all,

So pretty much HCG is the only thing I could get a script for. The clom and nolva I got looks a little suspect. As in unlabeled irregular shaped small bottles probably 20 ml for the nolv and 30-35ml of the clom. The nolv smells like alcohol and the clom is a blue liquid that smells sort of fruity. Is there any way to tell what they actually are? Should they smell or taste a certain way?


Thanks,

BSF1

[zevy]

Troll

[ikingmy]

Hey Boston you seem content on doing your cycle just stay safe test is no joke. Eat clean for your heart heath and liver most other sides are temporary or aesthetic.