21 yrs considering Test Cyp 350mg/week @ 12 weeks

[Yosh73]

Hello I've been training for just over 3 years.
6'1''
~180 lbs @ 15% bf
diet currently on a weight loss diet of around 2750 calls
currently doing Ben Pakulski's MI40 training on day 26
I included some pics
I'm in school for Kinesiology (not saying that means **** all, but I am Actually really into working out and nutrition and I like to do my research)
I'm only considering running a cycle of injectable testosterone cypionate at 350mg/week for around 12 weeks.
I am considering this dosage because it is very low and I am worried at such a young age with no prior exposure to testosterone my body could react to a side effect. This is why I'm going to keep the dosage low and probably maintain it throughout the cycle. It is possible that I up it to 400 mg for the last 4 weeks.

Two years ago, I ran 5 weeks of epistane (one bottle) probably gained a dinky 5 lbs.
A year and 2 months ago I ran 5 weeks of what I believed to be Anavar at 50mg/day, however I later learned that the guy I got it from was known for mixing dbol into his var batches. I gained about 20lbs on cycle, kept around 12-15lbs of it. I looked bigger, and almost slightly watery but it wasn't noticeable wateriness. I had great pumps, no sides, no anger, no hairloss, no acne, huge boners, no other notable sides.
I ended the cycle after 5 weeks 50/50/50/50/60 and began taking arimidex at 3 drops a day which didn't do **** all. I felt like shit for a month after because my pumps weren't as great, and I gained a little fat cause I began eating shitty off cycle. I felt great after this one month off cycle though.

I will be taking 6 drops of arimidex every other day (30 drops = 1ml) I was also thinking about taking HCG on cycle to further help prevent much HTPA shutdown.

I will be taking nolvadex at 25-50mg/day for 4 weeks (depending on how i feel with 25mg/day).


My roommate ran a cycle of test cyp 500mg/week for 10 weeks. He looked huge on test, felt amazing, great pumps, great libido, no lethargy, crazy appetite, and overall said he felt incredible. After he stopped injecting he felt like shit for a little bit, and he got on to HCG he split 2 vials of 10,000 IU into 5 injections over a week and a half. He also started Nolvadex at 25mg/day for 3-4 weeks. After this he said his nuts came back to normal, and he began feeling great again. Now (it has been over 2 months since his HCG/nolva PCT) and he feels better than he did before test, always feeling horny, has great pumps, kept decent gains from his cycle, didn't get many sides (except mild acne on cycle).



Just wondering what you guys think.

[itsjayman02]

Hello I've been training for just over 3 years.
6'1''
~180 lbs @ 15% bf
diet currently on a weight loss diet of around 2750 calls
currently doing Ben Pakulski's MI40 training on day 26
I included some pics
I'm in school for Kinesiology (not saying that means **** all, but I am Actually really into working out and nutrition and I like to do my research)
I'm only considering running a cycle of injectable testosterone cypionate at 350mg/week for around 12 weeks.
I am considering this dosage because it is very low and I am worried at such a young age with no prior exposure to testosterone my body could react to a side effect. This is why I'm going to keep the dosage low and probably maintain it throughout the cycle. It is possible that I up it to 400 mg for the last 4 weeks.

Two years ago, I ran 5 weeks of epistane (one bottle) probably gained a dinky 5 lbs.
A year and 2 months ago I ran 5 weeks of what I believed to be Anavar at 50mg/day, however I later learned that the guy I got it from was known for mixing dbol into his var batches. I gained about 20lbs on cycle, kept around 12-15lbs of it. I looked bigger, and almost slightly watery but it wasn't noticeable wateriness. I had great pumps, no sides, no anger, no hairloss, no acne, huge boners, no other notable sides.
I ended the cycle after 5 weeks 50/50/50/50/60 and began taking arimidex at 3 drops a day which didn't do **** all. I felt like shit for a month after because my pumps weren't as great, and I gained a little fat cause I began eating shitty off cycle. I felt great after this one month off cycle though.

I will be taking 6 drops of arimidex every other day (30 drops = 1ml) I was also thinking about taking HCG on cycle to further help prevent much HTPA shutdown.

I will be taking nolvadex at 25-50mg/day for 4 weeks (depending on how i feel with 25mg/day).

My roommate ran a cycle of test cyp 500mg/week for 10 weeks. He looked huge on test, felt amazing, great pumps, great libido, no lethargy, crazy appetite, and overall said he felt incredible. After he stopped injecting he felt like shit for a little bit, and he got on to HCG he split 2 vials of 10,000 IU into 5 injections over a week and a half. He also started Nolvadex at 25mg/day for 3-4 weeks. After this he said his nuts came back to normal, and he began feeling great again. Now (it has been over 2 months since his HCG/nolva PCT) and he feels better than he did before test, always feeling horny, has great pumps, kept decent gains from his cycle, didn't get many sides (except mild acne on cycle).

Just wondering what you guys think.

Everthing is wrong here!!

In brief I will start with age .....you are too young

You are too light for your height

Your body fat is not 15% but more like 20-25%

You have not researched nearly enough

I will leave the other vets to chime in as
To be honest you need to start from scratch and im not going to spoon feed you so get doing your home work and research mate!!

[kelkel]

Stop the presses Yosh. Still too young, no matter what anyone says or friends or associated tell you. Your natural production is peaked right now, or should be assuming that no damage was done by the uninformed previous cycles. You're friend / roomate is lucky. You may not be.

Take the time to self educate here more. You, and your friends have a lot to learn and this is a great place to start. Take the time to read Austinites Educational Articles at the top of this forum. Make sure your friend does to. Just not worth it Yosh. Use what you naturally have to your advantage. You're only 21 once!

[bass]

also looks like you already have gyno! I highly recommend to lose more fat, work hard until you're 25 or so, and once your BF% is under 15% then consider it.

here is one of the educational threads Kel is referring to,

The Young and Steroids

[CommanderZander]

Your body fat is not 15% but more like 20-25%

that's absurd. I'm pretty sure he is around 15% no way he's past 20%

[tectime]

Looks like somewhere between 15 to 20% but def looks like some gyno popping out there.

[AzSphinx]

Not sure what stage but definitely Gyno.. At this point I would look into Femara/Letrozole to try and get that reversed but definitely do your homework. I'm glad the other posts just didn't push a better cycle on you etc. I'm glad they pulled the plug.. GREAT JOB!!

[NaijaBoy]

Don't do it.

[clarkey02]

You've got gyno....... Also, do more arm curls.

[Megalodon6]

Don't run this cycle and don't run metro for gyno reversal you'll feel like death. Run ralox 60 mg ed until its gone. Unless you've had the gyno for over a year if that's the case surgery is your only option. Good luck

[Megalodon6]

Letro*

[lovbyts]

Yeah not exactly what you wanted to hear but they are right. 1st work on getting the BF down and building some muscle naturally. You have a LONG ways to go before you need to add and AAS. That's like putting 101 high octane gas into a stock Honda and expecting it to run 12s qt mile. lol

[bass]

that's absurd. I'm pretty sure he is around 15% no way he's past 20%

I agree with itsjayman02's estimate.

[Igifuno]

Yosh you're doing well bud, as stated above, however, definitely spend some more time training and propertly dieting before jumping into cycling.

With regard to the gyno, do you have any lumps or is it just generally puffy? Ralox at 60mg/ed may be an option for you.

It would be in your bodys best interest to address these things and spend some good time in the nutrition section. There is also a great thread in the lounge entitled Marcus's Diary, that has truly benefited many from a training perspective and has allowed them to take it to the next level. Check it out and educate before you medicate!

[DawgHouse]

Hey bro, I am probably closer to your age then most others commenting but let me tell you my general ideas about what I truly believe you should do.

1st: It is truly scary that you are buying from a guy that is known to mix in a cheaper drug into the juice he sells. Have you considered that the Test you may buy could really be half oil and thus only giving you half the result? Perhaps you should spend some time finding a better source. I would be extremely skeptical of this

2nd: Steroids are not going to help you very much. They REALLY REALLY REALLY wont. By no means am I coming at your head but you have much more body fat than you think. You are not at a low enough body fat yet to even get good results from a cycle. You are eating a diet that is not conducive of the way you want to look. again not being rude but you have to be honest with yourself. So what will happen is say you do cycle and gain 10lbs of muscle and 8 lbs of fat (which is likely because the juice is not gonna take any fat off of you). Post-cycle there is a few things that can happen A. you will return to your current diet lose all but 3lbs of that muscle and keep the fat you gained. B. Eat an excess of calories, but in turn look worse because as you do retain the muscle you will not be lean enough to see the muscle and will gain more fat. C. eat reduces calories, you may lose the fat youve gained but the muscle will also go before you even get the fat off, resulting in a waste of your money.... If you could manage to get to 180lbs at a REAL 12-14% bf you would be happy with your physique I promise.

3rd. I think you are training wrong. You are probably a Hard Gainer like myself. Naturally skinny guy. here is what I think you need to do spend SIX yes bro SIX months doing STRENGTH training. Focusing on Bench, Squat, Deadlift, Pull ups, Shoulder Presses, and POWERCLEANS, I'm guessing you dont do power cleans, well learn them bro!!! listen to me! learn them!.. Cleans SINGLE HANDEDLY will shred fat right off of you, it is such a hard ****ing exercise. Look I've been training for 9 years, can max 345 on a powerclean, but still to this day a set of 10 at 135 will make me sweat and breathe harder regardless of my conditioning. You need to focus on hitting 3-5 reps as heavy as you can ****ing push yourself on these exercises. Supplemented my isolation muscle exercises for 8-12 reps. This is going to build you a foundation of strength to GROW on. You also during these 6 months you need to do some sort of cardio 4 times per week. This will shred you the **** up bro I promise if you will be patient for 6 months. Then you need to follow those 6months up by a full YEAR of MASS (typical bodybuilding) training.

After completing these steps you will be much more ready for steroids if you are still interested in using them at that point. You will only be 22.5-23 years old depending on when ur bday is so most guys still wouldnt recommend that age either but I believe if you research nutrition more seriously and build STRENGTH for a while to help you in the future. I think your body will be much more so at a point where juice will help you. But my friend if you are not squatting well over 405lbs then you have no business putting any kind of steroids in your body. your tall and "skinny-fat" right now. You have a TON of potential and I think you will find that your physique goal will be easily achieved without juice. Then in a year or two you can look back and decide again if you want to enhance that further with juice. Right now:Strength Train, Cut Fat, Eat Healthy, Use Creatine, and make Lifestyle changes conducive to your goals.

[itsjayman02]

that's absurd. I'm pretty sure he is around 15% no way he's past 20%

Haha your comment is!!

I am and have been around 15-17%
For many years give or take and if he is 15%....... I must be 12%

Can some vets chime in for a second opinion and if you disagree I will have the decency to respect your opinion unlike some!!

[itsjayman02]

I agree with itsjayman02's estimate.

Thanks bass I thought for a minute I may need some percentage glasses !!

[Lunk1]

I would say 18%+

[Yosh73]

Hey bro, I am probably closer to your age then most others commenting but let me tell you my general ideas about what I truly believe you should do.

1st: It is truly scary that you are buying from a guy that is known to mix in a cheaper drug into the juice he sells. Have you considered that the Test you may buy could really be half oil and thus only giving you half the result? Perhaps you should spend some time finding a better source. I would be extremely skeptical of this

2nd: Steroids are not going to help you very much. They REALLY REALLY REALLY wont. By no means am I coming at your head but you have much more body fat than you think. You are not at a low enough body fat yet to even get good results from a cycle. You are eating a diet that is not conducive of the way you want to look. again not being rude but you have to be honest with yourself. So what will happen is say you do cycle and gain 10lbs of muscle and 8 lbs of fat (which is likely because the juice is not gonna take any fat off of you). Post-cycle there is a few things that can happen A. you will return to your current diet lose all but 3lbs of that muscle and keep the fat you gained. B. Eat an excess of calories, but in turn look worse because as you do retain the muscle you will not be lean enough to see the muscle and will gain more fat. C. eat reduces calories, you may lose the fat youve gained but the muscle will also go before you even get the fat off, resulting in a waste of your money.... If you could manage to get to 180lbs at a REAL 12-14% bf you would be happy with your physique I promise.

3rd. I think you are training wrong. You are probably a Hard Gainer like myself. Naturally skinny guy. here is what I think you need to do spend SIX yes bro SIX months doing STRENGTH training. Focusing on Bench, Squat, Deadlift, Pull ups, Shoulder Presses, and POWERCLEANS, I'm guessing you dont do power cleans, well learn them bro!!! listen to me! learn them!.. Cleans SINGLE HANDEDLY will shred fat right off of you, it is such a hard ****ing exercise. Look I've been training for 9 years, can max 345 on a powerclean, but still to this day a set of 10 at 135 will make me sweat and breathe harder regardless of my conditioning. You need to focus on hitting 3-5 reps as heavy as you can ****ing push yourself on these exercises. Supplemented my isolation muscle exercises for 8-12 reps. This is going to build you a foundation of strength to GROW on. You also during these 6 months you need to do some sort of cardio 4 times per week. This will shred you the **** up bro I promise if you will be patient for 6 months. Then you need to follow those 6months up by a full YEAR of MASS (typical bodybuilding) training.

After completing these steps you will be much more ready for steroids if you are still interested in using them at that point. You will only be 22.5-23 years old depending on when ur bday is so most guys still wouldnt recommend that age either but I believe if you research nutrition more seriously and build STRENGTH for a while to help you in the future. I think your body will be much more so at a point where juice will help you. But my friend if you are not squatting well over 405lbs then you have no business putting any kind of steroids in your body. your tall and "skinny-fat" right now. You have a TON of potential and I think you will find that your physique goal will be easily achieved without juice. Then in a year or two you can look back and decide again if you want to enhance that further with juice. Right now:Strength Train, Cut Fat, Eat Healthy, Use Creatine, and make Lifestyle changes conducive to your goals.

Bro good call, I'm glad you guys knocked some sense into me. Honestly this is probably the 3rd or 4th post I've made where I'm pretty much like "**** it i'll just gas up". Yes I have thought of the possibility his shit would be horrible that's why I wasn't planning on getting from him. I definitely need a solid 4-6 months of SOLID motivation and dedication. I honestly have an issue with going 2-3 weeks hard eating clean, training hard, cardio 3x/week, and then falling off the horse. I got to definitely get down to a LEAN 160 lbs at a true 12% bf.

Boys I've looked on the nutrition forum before for nutritional advice and diet help but I end up not finding things that I need IDK if I'm looking in the wrong area.

If anyone can send me a PM with a few serious pointers of how to stay on track with a serious cut diet and exercise regimen. I have seriously been thinking of doing some basic strength training exercises like the ones you recommended with a combined diet and cardio protocol to just slice up. I know I have decent musculature and am not a TRUE Skinny guy body type (chest, back, and legs) Although I am definitely not afraid to say I need to work on my arms a whole lot, and definitely everything else, chest, back, and legs included.

I think I need to get sliced down to 160 lbs then definitely go on a typical gains style diet and training program for a while.

I am somewhat of a hard gainer but I unfortunately gain fat incredibly easily which is why I wanted to use AAS to get lean and keep my muscle then begin bulking but thats stupid it's exactly like this dude said putting NOS in a shitbox.

ALSO regarding the Gyno, I know honestly I've had this issue since I was a kid, like i've always had slight gyno since I was like 11. Even when I get relatively low bf (closer to 15% than the pics, like more lean than those pics) the gyno never seems to go away. I've tried to use arimidex 6 drops eod but that doesn't do much either. Should I check with a doctor? I feel like I have a gyno problem that's genetic because my uncles have somewhat gyno issues as well I've noticed (both sides of the family).

[Megalodon6]

Maybe surgery is your only option man

[Igifuno]

You want to use a SERM for gyno reversal, not an AI like you've attempted. Try ralox at 60mg/ed.

With regard to pointers to stay on track, you either do it or you don't. Your choice. Do you want it or not? No one can hold your hand and make you eat right or train consistently.

Stick around and read man. there is a wealth of info right here at your fingertips. Look at the educational threads, check out austinites educational database, there are some good reads in there for you.

[kronz]

Yeah agreed an AI ain't gonna do squat for existing gyno.

[Yosh73]

Hmm really? I'll have to check into Ralox. Thanks for the heads up man. I want to figure out what's happening with this gyno its pissing me off. I will go check out the educational threads. Thanks for kicking sense into me again ladies and gents.

I do want to run gear, but when the time is right. AKA probably a good 5-7 years from now at the minimum.

[bass]

Hmm really? I'll have to check into Ralox. Thanks for the heads up man. I want to figure out what's happening with this gyno its pissing me off. I will go check out the educational threads. Thanks for kicking sense into me again ladies and gents.

I do want to run gear, but when the time is right. AKA probably a good 5-7 years from now at the minimum.

good call Yosh, and good luck with everything.

[Igifuno]

You made my night yosh!!

Very good choice