If your serious about pro ranks

[cypher23]

Despite my age, I'd appreciate some core advice. 22 yrs old 5'10 193 about 13-15% bf. don't really want to be a recreational user. I've done two cycles total of just cyp. First one was 250mg a week this one is 500, and I'm about to finish it. I want to eventually win a pro card one day. Do I stop and wait or just start heading there? 3 years off gear after exogenous usewould be a pretty big gain stopper. IMO. I have another bottle of test. Should I just run hrt doses and cruise, then blast again? I'm not hugely concerned with shooting needles the rest of my life. Input?

[king6 II]

I wouldn't recommend cruising, unless you wish to be on TRT for the rest of your life. 3 years off would not necessarily be a gain stopper. If you focus on diet and training you can still make gains without AAS, especially at 22 years old. I am 31, and I am bigger and stronger that I was while using AAS. Food for thought.

[cypher23]

I wouldn't recommend cruising, unless you wish to be on TRT for the rest of your life. 3 years off would not necessarily be a gain stopper. If you focus on diet and training you can still make gains without AAS, especially at 22 years old. I am 31, and I am bigger and stronger that I was while using AAS. Food for thought.

Agreed, my food is on par tho, and training. For my age you see a lot of kids that don't know what there doing. I've had a lot of mentoring. A side question tho. I'm not my last week of this test cyp cycle and it seems as if my energy is dipping down. Why might that be?

[cypher23]

I wouldn't recommend cruising, unless you wish to be on TRT for the rest of your life. 3 years off would not necessarily be a gain stopper. If you focus on diet and training you can still make gains without AAS, especially at 22 years old. I am 31, and I am bigger and stronger that I was while using AAS. Food for thought.

Oh and for me it seems like my acne kicks in right at the end. Weird...

[king6 II]

Lay out exactly what your current cycle consists of.

[cypher23]

Lay out exactly what your current cycle consists of.

500mg of test cyp a week. Arimadex every other day. And nolva Is ready for the end

[fit2bOld]

Really? First off post a pic for critique. If your serious you will have no problem sharing this. As a former lt heavyweight state level competitor. This nowadays is a full time job. You will need sponsors and people to help you get there. Nutritionist and prep coach.
I suggest you start getting a bunch of local wins under your belt and see what kind of interest you can get. That is unless your independently wealthy or living off your parents and their ok with that. I didn't have either choice

If I listed the all products I used during my competitive days you would laugh. It wouldn't even make 1 good cycle today.

You can win naturally save the juice till your older.

[cypher23]

Really? First off post a pic for critique. If your serious you will have no problem sharing this. As a former lt heavyweight state level competitor. This nowadays is a full time job. You will need sponsors and people to help you get there. Nutritionist and prep coach. I suggest you start getting a bunch of local wins under your belt and see what kind of interest you can get. That is unless your independently wealthy or living off your parents and their ok with that. I didn't have either choice If I listed the all products I used during my competitive days you would laugh. It wouldn't even make 1 good cycle today. You can win naturally save the juice till your older.

I've worked with plenty of people locally that are the best in my area. And trust me man I know it's a full time job, I do this plus work full time plus attend college full time and I'm still exceeding and progressing every week. That's saying a lot. I don't need to prove who I am but trust me the age doesn't say it all. I'll post some pics

[cypher23]

Really? First off post a pic for critique. If your serious you will have no problem sharing this. As a former lt heavyweight state level competitor. This nowadays is a full time job. You will need sponsors and people to help you get there. Nutritionist and prep coach. I suggest you start getting a bunch of local wins under your belt and see what kind of interest you can get. That is unless your independently wealthy or living off your parents and their ok with that. I didn't have either choice If I listed the all products I used during my competitive days you would laugh. It wouldn't even make 1 good cycle today. You can win naturally save the juice till your older.

Critique that son! Lol

[cypher23]

Really? First off post a pic for critique. If your serious you will have no problem sharing this. As a former lt heavyweight state level competitor. This nowadays is a full time job. You will need sponsors and people to help you get there. Nutritionist and prep coach. I suggest you start getting a bunch of local wins under your belt and see what kind of interest you can get. That is unless your independently wealthy or living off your parents and their ok with that. I didn't have either choice If I listed the all products I used during my competitive days you would laugh. It wouldn't even make 1 good cycle today. You can win naturally save the juice till your older.

Probably bigger than most here at 22 jus sayin so get off my back I came for advice

[tdoe11]

Probably bigger than most here at 22 jus sayin so get off my back I came for advice

At 190 I wouldn't consider myself "bigger than most here".

[cypher23]

At 190 I wouldn't consider myself "bigger than most here".

Congratulations, ya no one likes to give advice on here do they? They make one judgment call and then their done. Pathetic

[king6 II]

I agree that at age 22 you have some decent size to you. But please do not rule out a good natural bulking cycle. At your age I still believe good gains can be made naturally without risking your endocrine system. At least you were wise enough to only run test your first cycle and not run the foolish newbie multiple compound cycles or run tren for your first cycle. So props to you for that.

[cypher23]

I agree that at age 22 you have some decent size to you. But please do not rule out a good natural bulking cycle. At your age I still believe good gains can be made naturally without risking your endocrine system. At least you were wise enough to only run test your first cycle and not run the foolish newbie multiple compound cycles or run tren for your first cycle. So props to you for that.

Thank you. An honest opinion with acompliment. Don't see a lot of that these days. And ya I stuck with the basics. I even had deca waiting but my conscious was telling me no

[cypher23]

I agree that at age 22 you have some decent size to you. But please do not rule out a good natural bulking cycle. At your age I still believe good gains can be made naturally without risking your endocrine system. At least you were wise enough to only run test your first cycle and not run the foolish newbie multiple compound cycles or run tren for your first cycle. So props to you for that.

I think I've asked before but I can't really get a good answer. What about the fact that I've already introduce hormones? Isn't it going to be a lot harder?

[kelkel]

First off, you should be concerned about shooting needles the rest of your life as you have no clue what you'll be doing tomorrow, yet alone in 5 or 10 years. Life's direction can change in an instant as can your health. Come off, do a proper pct, work hard to maintain your gains and go back on when time is right. Your health is important.

Now, when it comes to attitude, you've been here for a whopping 28 posts and according to you your are probably bigger than most here already. "Just saying" that's pompous, patently wrong and not a way to ingratiate yourself into a new forum is it? Many here are much older than you, much bigger, far more advanced and have probably forgotten already more than you currently know. Oh, and if they're going to brag a bit and post a pic they don't do it with a shirt on.

Now, re-think your attitude and you'll get serious answers. I'm sure you can fit in.

[Bert]

Procard? Don't count on it. Just sayin. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a pro card. Oh, wait, are you doing Physique?

[cypher23]

Procard? Don't count on it. Just sayin. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a pro card. Oh, wait, are you doing Physique?

Lol wanna see my legs? Physique is not for me lol

[cypher23]

Procard? Don't count on it. Just sayin. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a pro card. Oh, wait, are you doing Physique?

Just because you didn't receive one doesn't mean I can't. Pathetic putting people down on here

[cypher23]

First off, you should be concerned about shooting needles the rest of your life as you have no clue what you'll be doing tomorrow, yet alone in 5 or 10 years. Life's direction can change in an instant as can your health. Come off, do a proper pct, work hard to maintain your gains and go back on when time is right. Your health is important. Now, when it comes to attitude, you've been here for a whopping 28 posts and according to you your are probably bigger than most here already. "Just saying" that's pompous, patently wrong and not a way to ingratiate yourself into a new forum is it? Many here are much older than you, much bigger, far more advanced and have probably forgotten already more than you currently know. Oh, and if they're going to brag a bit and post a pic they don't do it with a shirt on. Now, re-think your attitude and you'll get serious answers. I'm sure you can fit in.

I agree with the health concerns but as far as posting without a shirt you can clearly see my symmetry and size with it on so...

[ANIMAL]

Awesome attitude, will definitely get you far. Just because you're not getting the advice you want don't get your panties in a twist.

Doing a proper PCT and letting your body come back to it's natural levels is what you need and it's not going to inhibit growth in the next few years providing everything comes back to where it should be. Have you ever gotten blood work before/after any of your cycles? Did you do back to back cycles? Have you used any HCG?

[cypher23]

First off, you should be concerned about shooting needles the rest of your life as you have no clue what you'll be doing tomorrow, yet alone in 5 or 10 years. Life's direction can change in an instant as can your health. Come off, do a proper pct, work hard to maintain your gains and go back on when time is right. Your health is important. Now, when it comes to attitude, you've been here for a whopping 28 posts and according to you your are probably bigger than most here already. "Just saying" that's pompous, patently wrong and not a way to ingratiate yourself into a new forum is it? Many here are much older than you, much bigger, far more advanced and have probably forgotten already more than you currently know. Oh, and if they're going to brag a bit and post a pic they don't do it with a shirt on. Now, re-think your attitude and you'll get serious answers. I'm sure you can fit in.

Sorry for the attitude but not everyone on here is full of sunshine either lol. I just came for simple advice not to be thrashed

[cypher23]

Awesome attitude, will definitely get you far. Just because you're not getting the advice you want don't get your panties in a twist. Doing a proper PCT and letting your body come back to it's natural levels is what you need and it's not going to inhibit growth in the next few years providing everything comes back to where it should be. Have you ever gotten blood work before/after any of your cycles? Did you do back to back cycles? Have you used any HCG?

Thank you! An answer! Lol. And yes I have had some done. Everything checked out and no the first one I did I took 4 months break.

[gearbox]

Yes do pct if done then wait some weeks and get blood work done so you can know if your test levels are good. Then you will know if levels have returned to normal and you can keep growing naturally.
Everyone worries about losing gains. It's scary of course. But remember to always eat properly cause that's where it's lost. Two weeks off gym is nothing. Two weeks of some junk diet is huge

[cypher23]

Yes do pct if done then wait some weeks and get blood work done so you can know if your test levels are good. Then you will know if levels have returned to normal and you can keep growing naturally. Everyone worries about losing gains. It's scary of course. But remember to always eat properly cause that's where it's lost. Two weeks off gym is nothing. Two weeks of some junk diet is huge

Totally agree! Food is everything. And clean at that! Thank you for the advice.

[cypher23]

Yes do pct if done then wait some weeks and get blood work done so you can know if your test levels are good. Then you will know if levels have returned to normal and you can keep growing naturally. Everyone worries about losing gains. It's scary of course. But remember to always eat properly cause that's where it's lost. Two weeks off gym is nothing. Two weeks of some junk diet is huge

So when levels return to normal despite the exogenous use. There's still hope for decent gains?

[kelkel]

I agree with the health concerns but as far as posting without a shirt you can clearly see my symmetry and size with it on so...

Means nothing with a shirt on. As a former judge and successful competitive body builder many people look great with their clothes on. Get them on stage and it's another story.

Sorry for the attitude but not everyone on here is full of sunshine either lol. I just came for simple advice not to be thrashed

I agree cypher but you set yourself up for this with your own statements. You're new here, be nice, fit in, take some heat when you have to and choose your battles. You can really learn a lot here, plus have some fun as well.

[kelkel]

So when levels return to normal despite the exogenous use. There's still hope for decent gains?

Absolutely there is. Food is the most anabolic item you have. Trust me, you want your own HPTA to work as well as possible because one day as you age it just won't. BW is key. There are several threads here describing proper BW to obtain. If insurance is covering it, get the mother load. If not there are private labs available to use as well that are relatively inexpensive.

[cypher23]

Absolutely there is. Food is the most anabolic item you have. Trust me, you want your own HPTA to work as well as possible because one day as you age it just won't. BW is key. There are several threads here describing proper BW to obtain. If insurance is covering it, get the mother load. If not there are private labs available to use as well that are relatively inexpensive.

Thanks for the tips. Once against my bad, just some people are so quick to judge. And ya I'm fortunate at my age to have learned a lot about nutrition. A lot of my buddies don't care and I keep telling them that's the main thing. 110% in the kitchen and the rest will fall in place.

[kelkel]

Thanks for the tips. Once against my bad, just some people are so quick to judge. And ya I'm fortunate at my age to have learned a lot about nutrition. A lot of my buddies don't care and I keep telling them that's the main thing. 110% in the kitchen and the rest will fall in place.

That will pay off for you greatly in the future. Why don't you visit "Marcus's Diary" in the lounge here. Scan it from start to finish for some great training tips and motivation. It'll take time as it's one of the busiest threads here but it will be worth the effort.

[Lunk1]

Honestly th first cycle doesn't even count and your still in your second. That tells me you have made all of your progress pretty much natural to begin with and likely can still make solid natural progress.

As was suggested, try some local and regional comps before jumping in with both feet. Its one thing to be a dedicated gym rat and a whole other thing to prep for competition. Make sure that it suits you before considering unnecessary risks using AAS

[gearbox]

Kel already covered it for me. You can make a lot of gains for the next 10 years if you dedicate yourself.
Glad you know a good base about nutrition. My advice would be to always have an open mind. Science is always changing, cause we are all learning more each day.

P.s. Your lucky kel is helping also. He is a fountain of knowledge, not to mention a monster.

[Cuz]

Bro can you post us some pics without clothes on?

[Lunk1]

Bro can you post us some pics without clothes on?

[Back In Black]

Have a read of this too

http://forums.steroid.com/competitiv...-new-post.html

[Cuz]

Lol dammit. I deserved that one hah.

[cypher23]

Lol dammit. I deserved that one hah.

Lol here. I'll try and find more of my posing pictures.

[cypher23]

Honestly th first cycle doesn't even count and your still in your second. That tells me you have made all of your progress pretty much natural to begin with and likely can still make solid natural progress. As was suggested, try some local and regional comps before jumping in with both feet. Its one thing to be a dedicated gym rat and a whole other thing to prep for competition. Make sure that it suits you before considering unnecessary risks using AAS

Your logic makes sense

[kelkel]

Bro can you post us some pics without clothes on?

Think I heard a closet door open? Hysterical Lunk.

[Cuz]

Probably not a wise decision to try and become pro my friend. The chances are near to nothing as a pro bber. But I'm not gonna judge u do whatever you do. But just think at your age right now would endue trt after u are done competing. Think about itbif you don't make it...just a carreer ending injury or accident and then its boom hrt forever. You may also cause permanent hpta and endocrine problems that young. The question is "what if"?