TRT & The Young

[Muscleduke]

Yo!

What's so bad about being on TRT from a young age?

I understand it's a bit sh*t having to pin for the rest of your life, Pay for blood work often and obviously the health problems that come with it.

What's your take on it, why do you think it's not good to go on for life at a young age?

My take: First of all this is for research purposes only I currently have 597 ng/dl 4 months post cycle. If I was to shut myself down completely and have to go on trt I wouldn't be hugely frustrated. The main thing that I'd be worried about is not being able to have children but being on Trt doesn't 100% mean you can't have kids. Blood pressure, increase rbc, estrogeon sides etc.. these can all be controlled. It may shave a few years of your life but I'd rather live to 70 strong no libdo problems, energetic and health and wellbeing like a 18 year old than live to 75-80 feeling like a fat unhealthy old man.

This is just my opinion, it may change once I hear yours. Obviously you guys have a lot more experience than I do so maybe my views will change when I've heard yours!

Thanks

[masso]

A friend of mine is 42 has been on since the age of 18 and has had 3 girls.

Another has been on since age of 20 he is 53 now and has had 2 children.

Both also are very healthy as in don't drink/smoke etc and see doctors regularly etc.

I myself from the age of 18 wouldn't advise it but I'm 34 now and thinking about this now, bear in mind I have had 3 children all while on a cycle.

[Muscleduke]

A friend of mine is 42 has been on since the age of 18 and has had 3 girls.

Another has been on since age of 20 he is 53 now and has had 2 children.

Both also are very healthy as in don't drink/smoke etc and see doctors regularly etc.

I myself from the age of 18 wouldn't advise it but I'm 34 now and thinking about this now, bear in mind I have had 3 children all while on a cycle.

Thanks for your input, very interesting. I also have friends who are in trt at age 21, no problems as of yet.

That's great, just goes to show chemicals don't always stop you from having children even in cycle! I'm for sure going on by 35, I think your levels decrease a percent for year from ages 30 or something not taking into consideration cycles that had been done before hand.

[michael30]

Muscleduke im only telling you from personal experience trt is not as easy as just taking a shot once aweek. Some people have to spend 6+ months getting dialed in. Or what happens if you get a dr like mine that only will prescribe test. Also alot of dr dont like to let your test levels get to high.(also my dr.) And only want your test around 700? Just throwing ya some things to think about!

[Muscleduke]

Muscleduke im only telling you from personal experience trt is not as easy as just taking a shot once aweek. Some people have to spend 6+ months getting dialed in. Or what happens if you get a dr like mine that only will prescribe test. Also alot of dr dont like to let your test levels get to high.(also my dr.) And only want your test around 700? Just throwing ya some things to think about!

Thanks for the input, you definitely have as I said this is why I made the thread. I know it wouldn't be easy, I had no doubt in my mind that it would be very hard to get into the swing of things and having it consistently over your head. Cheers

[michael30]

No problem. Just wanted you to get both sides of the story. To be honest if i had levels of 597 i would of not started trt knowing what i know now.

[Muscleduke]

No problem. Just wanted you to get both sides of the story. To be honest if i had levels of 597 i would of not started trt knowing what i know now.

I'm not starting trt, I don't need to I am just interested! Without a doubt I want to start Trt when I'm older but at the moment I'm happy with my current levels.

I made this thread for research purposes only as I couldn't find another thread that had addressed this subject !

[austinite]

What's wrong with it? You're probably too young to understand. When you've been injecting several times weekly for 15 years, you'll realize that it would have been best not to be married to needle so fast.

It doesn't matter what you say now, you're not there yet and you're just too young to understand. Young mans train of thought will change, majorly. Just need time to develop and mature.

[johnk271]

Im 21, and have been on TRT since October and I would never go back. Ive never felt this good in my life and I honestly believe that I had low T my whole life. Was always active and ate healthier than my friends, but was very overweight with moobs.

I got tested last August when I was 20 and my levels were low 400s, 10 free test(scale 9-25), felt HORRIBLE, borderline depressed and couldnt get a boner to save my life. Now I feel great, loving life, and sex coundnt be any better!

Yes sometimes I think about the long term use because Ill be on the rest of my life, but I dont drink or smoke(hard to believe when im 21 but trust me, Im 100% against both, didnt even drink on my 21st bday...), I eat extremely healthy, I take my necessary vitimans, liver sups etc, and i exercise 6 days a week.

Like someone above me said, Id rather live a full, healthy life til im 70 feeling good all the way than live to 80-90 but be a fat miserable slob my whole life....

Protocol:
200mg cyp per week split into 2 doses
250iu hcg 2x a week
25mg exemestane ED

[austinite]

lol. Being a miserable fat slob has nothing to do with TRT.... that would be weak minded.

[kelkel]

Yo!

What's so bad about being on TRT from a young age?
My take: First of all this is for research purposes only I currently have 597 ng/dl 4 months post cycle.
Thanks

Total T doesn't matter at all. Free T does. Your TT level may be great if free is high.

What's wrong with it? You're probably too young to understand. When you've been injecting several times weekly for 15 years, you'll realize that it would have been best not to be married to needle so fast.

It doesn't matter what you say now, you're not there yet and you're just too young to understand. Young mans train of thought will change, majorly. Just need time to develop and mature.

So true.

Im 21, and have been on TRT since October and I would never go back. Ive never felt this good in my life and I honestly believe that I had low T my whole life. Was always active and ate healthier than my friends, but was very overweight with moobs.

I got tested last August when I was 20 and my levels were low 400s, 10 free test(scale 9-25), felt HORRIBLE, borderline depressed and couldnt get a boner to save my life. Now I feel great, loving life, and sex coundnt be any better!

Yes sometimes I think about the long term use because Ill be on the rest of my life, but I dont drink or smoke(hard to believe when im 21 but trust me, Im 100% against both, didnt even drink on my 21st bday...), I eat extremely healthy, I take my necessary vitimans, liver sups etc, and i exercise 6 days a week.

Like someone above me said, Id rather live a full, healthy life til im 70 feeling good all the way than live to 80-90 but be a fat miserable slob my whole life....

Protocol:
200mg cyp per week split into 2 doses
250iu hcg 2x a week
25mg exemestane ED

What was the cause of your low T?

lol. Being a miserable fat slob has nothing to do with TRT.... that would be weak minded.

Again, so true. And I hate agreeing with you twice, back to back.

[johnk271]

Austinite, don't take it the wrong way, but Im not weak minded. my whole life I have been very active whether I was playing soccer,racing motocross or bmx growing up, yet I still weighed 202 when i was 13 years old at 5 feet 1 inch tall...never ate more than all my skinny friends either...even they realize that.

Started training when I was 14 and have been consistent,sometimes obsessive with training ever since. I love it. I love running too. I look forward to training.

Then theres diet. The first few years i started training my diet wasnt awesome but it has gotten better and better to the point where i have been gluten and dairy free for almost 3 years, not because its a fad, but because i truly believe its better for u not to eat that crap. i break out with acne and feel like crap when i do eat it. I also have not had a soda since I was 14 years old.

Over the last few years I have given everything I had to lose weight, counting calories, going to bed hungry, high protein/low carb and vice versa. The best Ive ever been was 175llb at 5 foot 9inches but was just skinny fat and felt weak and soft.

Now 4 months into trt Im stronger than ive ever been, feel the best I ever have, have more muscle than ever tbefore, eat more than i ever have before (still "clean") yet Im leaner than ive been in my life.

I truly believe that low t is what kept me from ever truly leaning out the way a young male should. I probably shouldnt have said "fat miserable slob"... bad choice of wording on my part.

[johnk271]

kelkel, still dont know. Is it possible thats the way i was born? i mean i got gyno in puberty and was never a "raging horny teenager"...

[kelkel]

Yes. PM me when you have enough posts or post up in your own thread. We don't need to hijack this one.

[johnk271]

Okay will do, might be a while, I dont post often. lol

[TestAce]

Having kids on TRT/cruise dosing is pretty much a non-issue. Plenty of IFBB pros conceive during the peak of their careers, and you will never come close to what those guys put into their bodies. When trying to have kids you drop to TRT dosing and start a HCG/HMG protocol.

The only real con IMO is being tied down to injecting for the rest of your life. But let's be honest, after the age of 35 most males already qualify for TRT, and the ones that are on TRT in general have a much higher quality of life due to the increased testosterone flowing through their bodies. Shit, barring a global apocalypse I don't really see it as that big of a deal; I myself plan on starting a cruise on TRT dosing after my current cycle. I am a much happier person on test, and get much more enjoyment out of life. Just make sure to keep a healthy supply of PCT meds, HCG, and HMG on hand with your AR15 and supply of 5.56x45. That's your best chance of any sort of recovery in the case of zombie invasion.

Life is short, enjoy it as much as you can.

[Buster Brown]

I think it would be wise to hold off on trt for as long as possible unless bloodwork indicates a need to go on. Just because some guys have been on trt and are able to follow certain Hcg/Hmg protocols does not necessarily mean it will work for everyone. You need to keep the at in the back of your mind at all times if you ever plan on having a family. I would think that alone would be one of the biggest considerations.

[michael30]

Kelkel what i should of said is if my free test was good and i had total test levels of 597 then i wldnt of started on hrt

[Getbig06]

I love juice.

[masso]

I'm considering it after my current cycle..

[Getbig06]

Bro. In all honesty, u r producing naturally at a good rate... talk to most of the guys on trt and im willing to bet that most of them, if they can pick between what u produce naturally and being on trt, they would rather want to produce test in the 597 naturally in lieu of trt.

Being on trt just because is plain unnecessary, especially producing as much as u already produce naturally; unless ur career or livelihood depends on being muscular.

[DAAS]

597 aint bad bro.

[MuscleInk]

Having kids on TRT/cruise dosing is pretty much a non-issue. Plenty of IFBB pros conceive during the peak of their careers, and you will never come close to what those guys put into their bodies. When trying to have kids you drop to TRT dosing and start a HCG/HMG protocol.

The only real con IMO is being tied down to injecting for the rest of your life. But let's be honest, after the age of 35 most males already qualify for TRT, and the ones that are on TRT in general have a much higher quality of life due to the increased testosterone flowing through their bodies. Shit, barring a global apocalypse I don't really see it as that big of a deal; I myself plan on starting a cruise on TRT dosing after my current cycle. I am a much happier person on test, and get much more enjoyment out of life. Just make sure to keep a healthy supply of PCT meds, HCG, and HMG on hand with your AR15 and supply of 5.56x45. That's your best chance of any sort of recovery in the case of zombie invasion.

Life is short, enjoy it as much as you can.

No, that's not the only "con". Even on TRT there is a need to monitor lipids, BP, Hg, RBCs, prostate health and other hormone levels. There are many factors that should be routinely evaluated. Given a choice, I'd gladly chose normal natty levels over TRT.

[MuscleInk]

Bro. In all honesty, u r producing naturally at a good rate... talk to most of the guys on trt and im willing to bet that most of them, if they can pick between what u produce naturally and being on trt, they would rather want to produce test in the 700s naturally in lieu of trt.

Being on trt just because is plain unnecessary, especially producing as much as u already produce naturally; unless ur career or livelihood depends on being muscular.

^^^True! I'd take a natty level of 450-600 over TRT the rest of my life. Why would you want to rely on drugs just to feel normal if you could feel normal without them?

[Getbig06]

Im 31 and have low t bro. I would love to have a 597

[austinite]

So true.

Again, so true. And I hate agreeing with you twice, back to back.

You ignorant slut. You love me.

[kelkel]

You ignorant slut. You love me.

No, just the make-up sex.

[Muscleduke]

lol. Being a miserable fat slob has nothing to do with TRT.... that would be weak minded.

What's wrong with it? You're probably too young to understand. When you've been injecting several times weekly for 15 years, you'll realize that it would have been best not to be married to needle so fast.

It doesn't matter what you say now, you're not there yet and you're just too young to understand. Young mans train of thought will change, majorly. Just need time to develop and mature.

I do understand, But I obviously can't talk from experience as I'm not on trt. But that being said 1-2x per week takes maybe a total of 10 Mins max per week. Surely that would be the easiest part of being in trt. I'm interested in the long term effects it has on your body. I wouldn't say I was immature I. Trying to learn, I'm NOT planning on going in trt not for a long time

I wouldn't say that is correct, obviously that plays a part of it. But if you have extremely low t it effects your mental state.... You wouldn't definitely be fat but you would be miserable

[Muscleduke]

Im 21, and have been on TRT since October and I would never go back. Ive never felt this good in my life and I honestly believe that I had low T my whole life. Was always active and ate healthier than my friends, but was very overweight with moobs.

I got tested last August when I was 20 and my levels were low 400s, 10 free test(scale 9-25), felt HORRIBLE, borderline depressed and couldnt get a boner to save my life. Now I feel great, loving life, and sex coundnt be any better!

Yes sometimes I think about the long term use because Ill be on the rest of my life, but I dont drink or smoke(hard to believe when im 21 but trust me, Im 100% against both, didnt even drink on my 21st bday...), I eat extremely healthy, I take my necessary vitimans, liver sups etc, and i exercise 6 days a week.

Like someone above me said, Id rather live a full, healthy life til im 70 feeling good all the way than live to 80-90 but be a fat miserable slob my whole life....

Protocol:
200mg cyp per week split into 2 doses
250iu hcg 2x a week
25mg exemestane ED

Thanks for Input, that's exactly what I thought. I don't have low test at the moment but if I did I wouldn't think twice about going in trt. I'd rather feel normal than depressed and Lathargic.

Is that your own protocol or what your doc prescribed?

[Muscleduke]

Having kids on TRT/cruise dosing is pretty much a non-issue. Plenty of IFBB pros conceive during the peak of their careers, and you will never come close to what those guys put into their bodies. When trying to have kids you drop to TRT dosing and start a HCG/HMG protocol.

The only real con IMO is being tied down to injecting for the rest of your life. But let's be honest, after the age of 35 most males already qualify for TRT, and the ones that are on TRT in general have a much higher quality of life due to the increased testosterone flowing through their bodies. Shit, barring a global apocalypse I don't really see it as that big of a deal; I myself plan on starting a cruise on TRT dosing after my current cycle. I am a much happier person on test, and get much more enjoyment out of life. Just make sure to keep a healthy supply of PCT meds, HCG, and HMG on hand with your AR15 and supply of 5.56x45. That's your best chance of any sort of recovery in the case of zombie invasion.

Life is short, enjoy it as much as you can.

Exactly! But as I said pinning 2x per week is 10 Mins per week. It really is minimal, that wouldn't bother me at all just the sides and consistently having to get blood done and deal with any sides. But I guess once your blood is stable it becomes a routine. I'm with you there, thanks for input.

I think it would be wise to hold off on trt for as long as possible unless bloodwork indicates a need to go on. Just because some guys have been on trt and are able to follow certain Hcg/Hmg protocols does not necessarily mean it will work for everyone. You need to keep the at in the back of your mind at all times if you ever plan on having a family. I would think that alone would be one of the biggest considerations.

Of course, I have no intention on going in Trt as I said this is for research purposes only. Completely understand and that very true, something else hanging over your head.

Bro. In all honesty, u r producing naturally at a good rate... talk to most of the guys on trt and im willing to bet that most of them, if they can pick between what u produce naturally and being on trt, they would rather want to produce test in the 597 naturally in lieu of trt.

Being on trt just because is plain unnecessary, especially producing as much as u already produce naturally; unless ur career or livelihood depends on being muscular.

My test is fine at the moment, I have no intention in going into trt, I'm just interested to hear everyone's experience/opinion.

[Muscleduke]

^^^True! I'd take a natty level of 450-600 over TRT the rest of my life. Why would you want to rely on drugs just to feel normal if you could feel normal without them?

Hey. I'm not planning in going in trt. I am just interested to hear opinions and learn more about the subject. My test is fine at the moment, very happy and have a good recovery rate as well. Chances are I won't need trt if I do until at least 30.thanks for input

[johnk271]

Thanks for Input, that's exactly what I thought. I don't have low test at the moment but if I did I wouldn't think twice about going in trt. I'd rather feel normal than depressed and Lathargic. Is that your own protocol or what your doc prescribed?

Doctor

[psychoink]

Im 21, and have been on TRT since October and I would never go back. Ive never felt this good in my life and I honestly believe that I had low T my whole life. Was always active and ate healthier than my friends, but was very overweight with moobs.

I got tested last August when I was 20 and my levels were low 400s, 10 free test(scale 9-25), felt HORRIBLE, borderline depressed and couldnt get a boner to save my life. Now I feel great, loving life, and sex coundnt be any better!

Yes sometimes I think about the long term use because Ill be on the rest of my life, but I dont drink or smoke(hard to believe when im 21 but trust me, Im 100% against both, didnt even drink on my 21st bday...), I eat extremely healthy, I take my necessary vitimans, liver sups etc, and i exercise 6 days a week.

Like someone above me said, Id rather live a full, healthy life til im 70 feeling good all the way than live to 80-90 but be a fat miserable slob my whole life....

Protocol:
200mg cyp per week split into 2 doses
250iu hcg 2x a week
25mg exemestane ED

I wish my dr felt the same way... my test level has been in the low 400s for the past year and a half... last check was 411. But he said its in the normal range. I'm very close to finding another dr or self medicating

[johnk271]

I wish my dr felt the same way... my test level has been in the low 400s for the past year and a half... last check was 411. But he said its in the normal range. I'm very close to finding another dr or self medicating

The first two doctors told me the same thing even after having two blood panels done showing I had levels in the 400s and free test at 10 on a scale of 9-25. Pretty sure an active, healthy 20 year old that eats right and trains daily shouldnt have the levels of an 80 year old male. Oh and a 20 year old should be able to get an erection, right? I couldnt and those drs said i was just depressed and needed to see a psychiatrist. LOL if u knew me u would realize how dumb that sounds.

The third dr i saw is an HRT specialist and she was RELIEVED the other drs didnt help me, she knew who the other ones were and how they practice and said they would have given me a 100-200mg shot every 2 weeks if I was LUCKY but more than likely wouldve given me a shot just once a month!!!! Talk about a rollercoaster ride!!! haha I am thankful they didnt help me.

If I were you I would do a little research and try to find an HRT clinic near you, even if u have to drive an hour or 2 its worth it, trust me. Also, it will be a bit pricey because insurance wont pay for it.

[Muscleduke]

I wish my dr felt the same way... my test level has been in the low 400s for the past year and a half... last check was 411. But he said its in the normal range. I'm very close to finding another dr or self medicating

Got to keep pushing, I wouldn't bother self medication until you've tried a few different docs.

[psychoink]

Got to keep pushing, I wouldn't bother self medication until you've tried a few different docs.

Yea tru... its just that I'm married and we fight so often about me not being in the mood she says sometimes in a joking manner that I'm cheating on her which kinda hurts.. she knows my situation but I don't think she inderatands it. But ill keep looking. ..

[austinite]

You can have high T and be depressed. Just because we're on a steroid/TRT forum doesn't mean everything revolves around T levels. Yes, it's great for our health to maintain healthy serum testosterone, but it is a fraction of what really matters to succeed in whatever your goals are. There's more to life than the box with testosterone in it. Get out of the box sometime.

[qscgugcsq]

Yo!

What's so bad about being on TRT from a young age?

I understand it's a bit sh*t having to pin for the rest of your life, Pay for blood work often and obviously the health problems that come with it.

What's your take on it, why do you think it's not good to go on for life at a young age?

My take: First of all this is for research purposes only I currently have 597 ng/dl 4 months post cycle. If I was to shut myself down completely and have to go on trt I wouldn't be hugely frustrated. The main thing that I'd be worried about is not being able to have children but being on Trt doesn't 100% mean you can't have kids. Blood pressure, increase rbc, estrogeon sides etc.. these can all be controlled. It may shave a few years of your life but I'd rather live to 70 strong no libdo problems, energetic and health and wellbeing like a 18 year old than live to 75-80 feeling like a fat unhealthy old man.

This is just my opinion, it may change once I hear yours. Obviously you guys have a lot more experience than I do so maybe my views will change when I've heard yours!

Thanks

Havent read others comment.

First of all, your level seems low for your age but are still good. At your place I wouldnt go in TRT with these level...
However, im 20 and also considered TRT but my level was 370.

Erectile dysfonction at 20 sucks alot... I'd rather pin for the rest of my life.

Problem with longterm TRT, Feeling good, muscle gain, fat loss, for the rest of your life... Pinning is not an issue anymore with the nebido therapy.

the real issue I find to it is, having to get BW done on a regular basis(but lets be honest, someone who truly care about his health would still get BW done TRT or not...).

Having to watch his diet more closely...(if you are 100% sure you want to have the lifestyle you have now(bodybuilding) for the rest of your life, you are already doing it...).

Risk of prostate cancer, testicle cancer... (before being legally treated for TRT you gotta got these tested and once it is tested the risk are low as ****... Plus you got them tested regularly...)

Heart problem, well this one is a real concern, but if your blood pressure is under control, you will be alright.
Still risk of left ventricule hypertrophy(like any high level athlete...).

Being sterile...(well this one is total bullshit... yes youll have more difficulty to conceive but when youll be ready to have kids you do what you have to do and you'll make your girl pregnant inside 6 months.) IMO thats a good point, less change of having a surprise...

Dyslipidemia... Being on TRT is better on the lipids than cycling on and off. Why because you don't lose half your gain on pct so you have to blast less often that cycling. Plus, diet will determine your lipids. and like said above, if you are here thats because you already eat healthy enough...

Others issue, if you arent in TRT and that you cycle. you lose some gain everytime, and your testosterone level drop at everytimes, and you'll end up needing TRT anyway!!
If you are on TRT you will keep most of your gain, do not feel the down during PCT(cause you dont pct), still gain during off time, youll need less to blast to keep your goal physics so less harm to your longterm health.

Of course TRT is a lifetime commitement, so is working out.

If you are cycling, you are doomed to TRT. better embrace it.



I may be wrong on some point, but I still thing the pros outweight the cons.

[Muscleduke]

You can have high T and be depressed. Just because we're on a steroid/TRT forum doesn't mean everything revolves around T levels. Yes, it's great for our health to maintain healthy serum testosterone, but it is a fraction of what really matters to succeed in whatever your goals are. There's more to life than the box with testosterone in it. Get out of the box sometime.

Ofcourse, let me rephrase it to feeling "shitty" then. Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain which would actually decrease natural test production rite (by a fraction). Obviously it all doesn't revolve around your t levels, everything plays a part in everything at the end of the day.

[Muscleduke]

Havent read others comment.

First of all, your level seems low for your age but are still good. At your place I wouldnt go in TRT with these level...
However, im 20 and also considered TRT but my level was 370.

Erectile dysfonction at 20 sucks alot... I'd rather pin for the rest of my life.

Problem with longterm TRT, Feeling good, muscle gain, fat loss, for the rest of your life... Pinning is not an issue anymore with the nebido therapy.

the real issue I find to it is, having to get BW done on a regular basis(but lets be honest, someone who truly care about his health would still get BW done TRT or not...).

Having to watch his diet more closely...(if you are 100% sure you want to have the lifestyle you have now(bodybuilding) for the rest of your life, you are already doing it...).

Risk of prostate cancer, testicle cancer... (before being legally treated for TRT you gotta got these tested and once it is tested the risk are low as ****... Plus you got them tested regularly...)

Heart problem, well this one is a real concern, but if your blood pressure is under control, you will be alright.
Still risk of left ventricule hypertrophy(like any high level athlete...).

Being sterile...(well this one is total bullshit... yes youll have more difficulty to conceive but when youll be ready to have kids you do what you have to do and you'll make your girl pregnant inside 6 months.) IMO thats a good point, less change of having a surprise...

Dyslipidemia... Being on TRT is better on the lipids than cycling on and off. Why because you don't lose half your gain on pct so you have to blast less often that cycling. Plus, diet will determine your lipids. and like said above, if you are here thats because you already eat healthy enough...

Others issue, if you arent in TRT and that you cycle. you lose some gain everytime, and your testosterone level drop at everytimes, and you'll end up needing TRT anyway!!
If you are on TRT you will keep most of your gain, do not feel the down during PCT(cause you dont pct), still gain during off time, youll need less to blast to keep your goal physics so less harm to your longterm health.

Of course TRT is a lifetime commitement, so is working out.

If you are cycling, you are doomed to TRT. better embrace it.



I may be wrong on some point, but I still thing the pros outweight the cons.

Thanks for input man.

Absolutely, I mean the positive sides are great and to be honest the bad effects aren't as bad as I thought, with regular check ups and blood work it would be pretty straight foward I control.

Heart problems and fertility are the 2 of my worries, but again there are ways around this.

Your definitely rite, pros do out weigh the cons , I think if you cycle and are planning to do more than 8 cycles you may as well go on trt.

Cheers