important my first cycle help me do it right

[1maxamillian]

HI every one so were to start i am 24 this is my first real cycle i i have been working out for about 2 years i am 5 9 i weigh about 160 15% body fat so i have been doing some reading on the site and this is what i am thinking of doing 200mg of test 200mgs of eq every 4 days i am going to run that for 12 weeks but i wanna stack tren with it for the last 8 weeks with the eq and the test i am also taking 0.5mg of arimidex every 5 days i just need to know how much tren you think i should take i wanna end up being 180 after my post cycle and i dont wanna get strech marks some tips please

[derekkpapa1]

double post ??

[OdinsOtherSon]

double post ??

Doubt it...more than likely he didn't like the first answers he was given

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-do-right.html

[1maxamillian]

no i didnt c it at the top i thought it didnt go through

[Buster Brown]

At 24 it would be wise to hold off on cycling until you have reached your genrtic potential. With the stats you have given clearly you are not there . I bet if you improved your diet you would be able drop your body fat and be able to increase your lbm naturally. Your cycle layout has some flaws. Mainly wanting to run tren at this point is a BAD decision and the Eq will be pointless and worthless. Be smart and do some more research and really get your diet and training on check and give it some time. You have plenty of time to cycle down the road.

[derekkpapa1]

See his other post
read his diet

[Oki-Des]

Why are you adding tren? This is my 101st post telling people why they should not use tren early on, and I am sure a thousand other people on here agree. The fact that you even mentioned tren shows you need to read, read, and read a crap load more than you have. I know you are going to do whatever you want, but gees, why even post that when everything you read on here would steer you away from that choice. Good luck and I hope your blind decisions work out.

[1maxamillian]

so i would llike helping doing it right i am dead set on doing it so if we guied me on how to do it i would be really happy

[1maxamillian]

i just got on the site whats wrong with tren

[derekkpapa1]

One thread or the other wtf not going back and forth cut the shitt out

[1maxamillian]

will do this one my bad

[1maxamillian]

so why is tren bad to do

[1maxamillian]

why not tren please tell me i would like to know

[1maxamillian]

my thing is this i want to get to my desired weight at 180 stay there and i dont ever wanna cycle again i just wanna do it this one time

[derekkpapa1]

there is some strong sides on tren
Do you even know what ester tren u r going to run and how often u r going to pin???

[1maxamillian]

i read the side effects i have the etro blocker pining i am asking you guys how much i should do i have some eq and test i got i wanted to stack tren with it i wanted anavar but i cant get my hands on it

what would be a good cycle to do if not tren

[1maxamillian]

the sides Insomnia
Excess Sweating
Night Sweats
Rapid Heart Rate
Anxiety
Loss of Libido
Erectile Dysfunction

[1maxamillian]

no i dont know what kind of tren i am going to do thats why i am asking

[MuscleInk]

so i would llike helping doing it right i am dead set on doing it so if we guied me on how to do it i would be really happy

No Tren!
No EQ!

Testosterone only for a first cycle with proper AI, HCG, and PCT.

Fix that diet. It needs work. Sweet tooth or not, drop the Oreos. They have no nutritional value!

You will be advised by members who's knowledge about nutrition and anabolics is far more advanced than yours. Do yourself a huge favor and LISTEN.

[derekkpapa1]

There is diff kinds of tren- one needs to be pinned every other day other one twice a week or e4d none good for u
U can gain plenty of weight mass with just test
U can add anavar for 4-6 weeks but should just run test alone
Do u have an ai hcg or pct ?????
what size pins are u using

[1maxamillian]

i have done test once why is tren so bad i wanna do somthing else besides test why not just eq

[1maxamillian]

this is what i have so far arimidex 2 bottles of eq 200ml 10c and 2 bottles of test its a mix eth/prop mis its 400ml 10 cc and geting clomid this week

[Buster Brown]

YOU have no business using tren period. It is like 100 proof whiskey compared to a Shirley temple. You are just not ready for it and you should accept it (or not) . Most of the guys here are trying to help you out. Some take the advice and have more productive cycles while others waist time and money and put there health at risk and DO NOT have productive cycles. Which one are you going to be? No need to rush into something you don't understand only to end telling yourself you should have listened. Take a deep breath and do your homework. I didn't use tren until I was 41.

[MuscleInk]

this is what i have so far arimidex 2 bottles of eq 200ml 10c and 2 bottles of test its a mix eth/prop mis its 400ml 10 cc and geting clomid this week

EQ is useless unless you're running 600mg or more per week and you'll need to donate blood regularly.

Save tren for a fourth cycle. This is only your second cycle and you aren't likely to stop now.

[1maxamillian]

can u tell me why tren is bad
why i shouldnt do it

[1maxamillian]

what would be a good cycle

[derekkpapa1]

I will not respond or help any more till I see a week by week details amount and time and what and when you will be taking ai and pct
Like example only. test e 500mg pinned thur and Sunday 12 weeks
Ai arimidex .5 eod up till before pct
Hcg 500 iu weekly split twice week till 3 days prior pct
Pct 2 weeks after last pin nolva clomid for 4 weeks

Something like that detail or no more help

[MuscleInk]

can u tell me why tren is bad
why i shouldnt do it

Too many risks. Beyond the ones you already listed it will put an unnecessary strain on your kidneys, elevate your blood pressure and throw your lipid metabolism in the toilet likely causing hypercholesterolemia and hyperlipidemia.

[1maxamillian]

i am asking you to tell me what to doi told you what i have so far tell me what to get how to do it is what i am asking

[derekkpapa1]

Good luck here guys
u need to research your dam self like everyone else did
Wtf

[MuscleInk]

i am asking you to tell me what to doi told you what i have so far tell me what to get how to do it is what i am asking

No one is going to customize your cycle. If you're old enough to cycle, you're old enough to read about the compounds and propose a cycle for comment and feedback.

Come on dude. Man up.

[1maxamillian]

i have you guys tell me it sucks so i was asking what you think i should do for my second cycle thanks anyways

[one_more_rep]

Ok you need help ill help you first thing is tren is a no go if you want to gain weight go and buy a weight gainer that will make you 180 fast np at all also tren is really tough on your kidneys and you sound like a guy no matter what anyone ****ing tells you, You will pin no matter what so basically muscleink and everyone on this damn page is typing for shit you will end up with gyno probly staph for pinning to much or not using clean stuff and your kidneys will shut down and you'll be on dialysis for the rest of your life when your kidneys shut down so i wrote for shit!!!! and everyone else did also.

[1maxamillian]

ok i know your saying no tren how about the eq and the test i was going to do 400 of eq a week for 12 weeks with test only nad my ai and pct

[1maxamillian]

i under stand no tren not doing it but i am still going to pin i have 100 of them 25 gauge so i am going to be clean

[one_more_rep]

pin away

[1maxamillian]

what i am asking does that sound ok to you guys the eq and test for my second cycle

[MuscleInk]

what i am asking does that sound ok to you guys the eq and test for my second cycle

What do you hope to achieve with EQ? It's very weak. You need large doses to see any possible benefit. Are you willing to donate blood throughout the cycle?

[1maxamillian]

yes i am willing to do that well you said tren was to strong every one says just to run test so why not run weak eq with the test i am just trying to hit one 175 180 but of lean muscle i i weigh 160 165

[1maxamillian]

like i have read the gains for keep most of it less chance i will get gyno and i am taking the ai