Guys I need your advice , NO GAINS ANYMORE!!!

[aboody689]

Age:21
Height:5'8 175 cm
Weight:83kg

**Story of my life

I started using gear/juice in may 2012 I saw gains in the beginning my weight increased from:

-65kg to 75/76kg 15% bf in the first 3 months (till around august 2012) then I stayed on this
compounds: Test prop 75mg , tren Acetate 75mg then by the end 125mg/EOD

-75kg to 80/81kg 14/15% bf from (August 2012 till november 2012) then I stayed on this weight for 3-4 months more with no change till february 2013 , **Starting from november 2012 I saw increase in size but same weight and my weights in the gym was stable with slight to no increase at all!! ( I was measuring in the gym on a body analyzer it showed me that I was decreasing in fats and increasing muscles at these 3-4 months.
Compounds: Test enanthate 150mg/week , Tren Enanthate 700, 800 900 till 1G/week ( I blasted from the first cycle to this one with no cruise or rest)

-82kg from 14% bf ( january till february 2013) then dropped to 80kg due to diarrhea that lasted for one month (reason was tren acetate) so I had to stop tren acetate and continue on test enanthate ,then dropped a lot of weight cause I used DNP ( weight dropped was mostly glycogen from muscles and minimal from fats) and they returned after stopping the DNP ( April till May 2013)
Compounds: Test Enanthate 150mg/week Tren 100mg ED , then DNP 200-600mg Test Enanthate 1G (Also blasted from 2nd cycle with no rest)

-79kg after the use of DNP and restoring glycogen into muscles (May 2013) cruised on Test E 250mg till (July 2013) weight raised to 80s one more time due to the lack of diet, then I decided to make a healthy diet instead of using crap like DNP , I dropped to 75kg 10% bf from (July to september 2013)
Compounds: Test E 250mg/week (cruise) , Test e 500mg Equipoise 700mg/week Winstrol 50mg/ED

-82kg 14% bf Bulking cycle from (october to december 2013) with almost no gains in weight and minimal strength in the gym.
Compounds: continued Test E 500mg and EQ 800mg

-83kg still bulking with no strength gains and no change in shape, bf% not checked
Compounds: Tren Acetate 75mg Test prop 75mg EOD



Advice please!!! I started losing hope in adding lean weight its been almost a year with no change in muscle weight (82/83kg 14% bf)

**My diet is not always in check/clean during bulking but I focus on consuming big amount of protein , and always in check during cutting.

What is the reason for not being able to add anymore weight?
Is it possible that the reason my dealer is selling not legit gear?
Other helpful advice?

I really need your help guys!

[derekkpapa1]

wow on that note.....

[ickythump]

post up any blood work information that you have available, maybe the pros can help, but holy crap man, you've been shut down hard for quite a while, I have zero advice besides telling you this seems a foolish endeavor at such a young age, and this board is a bit over cautious some times but DAMN you ran some crazy cycles.....post bw but this looks like an endo will be needed

[tarmyg]

just wow, really, WOW!!!

Thanks
~T

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[base4291ball]

Age:21 Height:5'8 175 cm Weight:83kg **Story of my life I started using gear/juice in may 2012 I saw gains in the beginning my weight increased from: -65kg to 75/76kg 15% bf in the first 3 months (till around august 2012) then I stayed on this compounds: Test prop 75mg , tren Acetate 75mg then by the end 125mg/EOD -75kg to 80/81kg 14/15% bf from (August 2012 till november 2012) then I stayed on this weight for 3-4 months more with no change till february 2013 , **Starting from november 2012 I saw increase in size but same weight and my weights in the gym was stable with slight to no increase at all!! ( I was measuring in the gym on a body analyzer it showed me that I was decreasing in fats and increasing muscles at these 3-4 months. Compounds: Test enanthate 150mg/week , Tren Enanthate 700, 800 900 till 1G/week ( I blasted from the first cycle to this one with no cruise or rest) -82kg from 14% bf ( january till february 2013) then dropped to 80kg due to diarrhea that lasted for one month (reason was tren acetate) so I had to stop tren acetate and continue on test enanthate ,then dropped a lot of weight cause I used DNP ( weight dropped was mostly glycogen from muscles and minimal from fats) and they returned after stopping the DNP ( April till May 2013) Compounds: Test Enanthate 150mg/week Tren 100mg ED , then DNP 200-600mg Test Enanthate 1G (Also blasted from 2nd cycle with no rest) -79kg after the use of DNP and restoring glycogen into muscles (May 2013) cruised on Test E 250mg till (July 2013) weight raised to 80s one more time due to the lack of diet, then I decided to make a healthy diet instead of using crap like DNP , I dropped to 75kg 10% bf from (July to september 2013) Compounds: Test E 250mg/week (cruise) , Test e 500mg Equipoise 700mg/week Winstrol 50mg/ED -82kg 14% bf Bulking cycle from (october to december 2013) with almost no gains in weight and minimal strength in the gym. Compounds: continued Test E 500mg and EQ 800mg -83kg still bulking with no strength gains and no change in shape, bf% not checked Compounds: Tren Acetate 75mg Test prop 75mg EOD Advice please!!! I started losing hope in adding lean weight its been almost a year with no change in muscle weight (82/83kg 14% bf) **My diet is not always in check/clean during bulking but I focus on consuming big amount of protein , and always in check during cutting. What is the reason for not being able to add anymore weight? Is it possible that the reason my dealer is selling not legit gear? Other helpful advice? I really need your help guys!

Everything is wrong with this. Diet, age, everything. You've obviously done no research what so ever and just winging it, which you should not be doing with aas! Idk what to say. So much to be changed here. Someone help this guy.

~Base

[king6 II]

Read very carefully because I am going to help you through this. Go get blood work done. Wait for the results. If the results show everything normal, then go to church. Light a candle and give thanks to God that you did not fvck yourself up for the rest of your life. Then go home and throw away every vial and tab of AAS you have. Then bulk naturally and don't touch AAS for another four years if ever.

[MuscleInk]

Read very carefully because I am going to help you through this. Go get blood work done. Wait for the results. If the results show everything normal, then go to church. Light a candle and give thanks to God that you did not fvck yourself up for the rest of your life. Then go home and throw away every vial and tab of AAS you have. Then bulk naturally and don't touch AAS for another four years if ever.

^^^Nice composed response. Reading about these cases makes me shake my head in frustration. Manipulating hormones with no clue. Never a smart idea.

[king6 II]

^^^Nice composed response. Reading about these cases makes me shake my head in frustration. Manipulating hormones with no clue. Never a smart idea.

I think what gets me most is the wastefulness. Remember when you were eating dinner as a kid and left food on your plate, your mom would say there are starving kids in China that would love to have that. That's how I feel. These kids are wasting perfectly good gear on a meaning less cycle.

[base4291ball]

Read very carefully because I am going to help you through this. Go get blood work done. Wait for the results. If the results show everything normal, then go to church. Light a candle and give thanks to God that you did not fvck yourself up for the rest of your life. Then go home and throw away every vial and tab of AAS you have. Then bulk naturally and don't touch AAS for another four years if ever.

Haha amen! You put it perfectly, couldn't have said it any better!

~Base

[MuscleInk]

I think what gets me most is the wastefulness. Remember when you were eating dinner as a kid and left food on your plate, your mom would say there are starving kids in China that would love to have that. That's how I feel. These kids are wasting perfectly good gear on a meaning less cycle.

Couldn't agree more. It seems like they see a few big guys in the gym, read a few muscle mags and derive the conclusion that growth happens at the end of a needle. They don't know what the compounds do, how they work, the risks on and off cycle and will not get through their heads that nutrition is EVERYTHING, not steroids.

[derekkpapa1]

Read very carefully because I am going to help you through this. Go get blood work done. Wait for the results. If the results show everything normal, then go to church. Light a candle and give thanks to God that you did not fvck yourself up for the rest of your life. Then go home and throw away every vial and tab of AAS you have. Then bulk naturally and don't touch AAS for another four years if ever.

maybe play the lottery too!! Nicely put wtf

[Oki-Des]

I do not blame you, becasue I beleive you listened to some guy who wanted to make money off of you and probably lied out his ass and most likely charged you for garbage; even though you are too young to have taken anything. But nowadays it is so easy to double check anything online and you came to a place where thousands of people have hundreds if not thousands of years of combined knowledge. The fact that you came here now proves you know how to do this and you simply should have done this first. I truly hope you are alright and wish you luck. From now on look for more answers before listening to someone who is making money off you. We are much more likely to be offering sound advice as we are not asking anything in exchange for trying to help. And to the guy who suggested tren at your age, please tell him he is an a$$hole and should be ashamed of himself for suggesting this to you.

[Back In Black]

I'm a bit lost. Have you ever come off or have you been on since May 2012 and never ran a PCT? Ever ran HCG?

I can't believe you've been a member for 18months and this has been your plan!

There is more to bulking than a 'big amount of protein'.

Are you Australian by any chance?

[dusto]

What does him being Australian or not have to do with it?
Do you think there's a lot of bad gear here?
Or that we have a tendency to follow bad advice?

[Euroholic]

What does him being Australian or not have to do with it?
Do you think there's a lot of bad gear here?
Or that we have a tendency to follow bad advice?

Rascim. Cant play cricket.

[Euroholic]

I think the op is a troll people. Has to be i dont believe this.

[marcus300]

You need to come off all compounds and get your natural levels stabilized and then try and gain some natural weight on your frame and build a solid base what isn't built on steroids, you do this by hard training which I am without doubt you don't do and also implement a proper diet which again I am sure you don't run. You may think different but in all honesty you need to stop steroids and start training and eating like a bodybuilder.

If you are Australian there is no hope

[samuelsteven]

Man you are crazy, this should be a sticky for the new members to read. You are gonna end up killing yourself man! This is why steroids have the image they do in the world. Steroids don't kill people, people kill themselves.

[auswest]

Leather daddy is that you?

[Euroholic]

Leather daddy is that you?

Who was that guy "almond" something like that

[derekkpapa1]

It's crazy mike back from the grave

[Euroholic]

It's crazy mike back from the grave

Doubt it the op is using metric system plus you can actually make sense of his posts!!!!!!!!!!

[Back In Black]

What does him being Australian or not have to do with it?
Do you think there's a lot of bad gear here?
Or that we have a tendency to follow bad advice?

No disrespect but I've seen a much higher % of 'Strayans' do this type of thing than any other. See auswests post below.

Rascim. Cant play cricket.

You're not a race. And you should be embarrassed we actually beat you in a game.

Leather daddy is that you?

That kid has to be in a mental home by now.

[dusto]

No disrespect but I've seen a much higher % of 'Strayans' do this type of thing than any other. See auswests post below. You're not a race. And you should be embarrassed we actually beat you in a game. That kid has to be in a mental home by now.

Where do you call home mate?
Don't you think America would out rank any first world nation with health problems and misinformation the poor lad who started this thread is in for a bumpy ride for sure but soon as he steps foot in a hospital and says what he's done the drs and nurses will sort him out for free and give him the correct prescriptions at a low price due to our free health care system and the fact stands our education system here in Australia is one of the best in the world
There's a reason the royal family and wealthy families send their children here to study.
The mere fact this is an American site and majority of it's occupants are yanks would put the percentage rate as yanks

[Back In Black]

It might make it feasible that more Americans by number do this but not by % which is what I said. There is a difference you know. An if you read what I wrote that says 'I have seen' not that 'there absolutely is'.

I get that Australians like to defend their country (I have never said a bad word about Australia btw) but you can't defend all your countrymen thinking they are all perfect.

FYI I am not an American.

[dusto]

It might make it feasible that more Americans by number do this but not by % which is what I said. There is a difference you know. An if you read what I wrote that says 'I have seen' not that 'there absolutely is'. I get that Australians like to defend their country (I have never said a bad word about Australia btw) but you can't defend all your countrymen thinking they are all perfect. FYI I am not an American.

Fair play mate. But making a off the cuff remark are you Australian by chance does ring the bells of racism.
And you're right we tend to stick our necks out for each other right or wrong lol

[Back In Black]

I asked because it seems like an Australian thing. Let's not forget, if you hadn't joined this site there's every chance you would have run test, tren and deca as your first cycle. But you didn't, thankfully

If it makes you feel any better if I saw a thread 'Will 20 Cups Of Tea Per Day Damage My Gains?' I would automatically assume it was written by a Brit. Not mentioning any names in particular........

[Igifuno]

It's kind of an 'inside joke' on this forum bro. Don't be offended.

[clarky.]

It's kind of an 'inside joke' on this forum bro. Don't be offended.

Mmm i wonder who started that

[Euroholic]

Just forget about it dusto. This site is good for the knowledge but alot of the foreign members are intolerable di** heads. Thinking there better than everyone else and everything is a big joke. I tell you right now they say these things online but they never would in person. Or they will get a bottle smashed in there face. Now lets enjoy our free vitamin d and high paying jobs. They never think anout other feelings its just humour to them

[XxAndreaxX]

I never was a fan of tren bulking. I think for bulking you need huge doses of test. Tren only helps you to get the tren Look.

[MODO]

this was op's first post made two days ago, and hasn't commented for follow up after 31 of our comments... comments which at this point have devolved into ethnocentrism?

Well done troll... I salute you...

[kapper]

It might make it feasible that more Americans by number do this but not by % which is what I said. There is a difference you know. An if you read what I wrote that says 'I have seen' not that 'there absolutely is'.

I get that Australians like to defend their country (I have never said a bad word about Australia btw) but you can't defend all your countrymen thinking they are all perfect.

FYI I am not an American.

Haha all good mate most of us aussies dnt take things to heart, im actually disappointed that he had a crack at u over that! And ur absolutely right when u say u see alot of aussies doin 'crazy cycles' my mates defiantly didnt educate before they medicated.. 2 of them are on TRT because of similar decision that the OP made. Ive watched them wreck themselves hence why im here reading n reading.. Cant thank this site enough

[ickythump]

this was op's first post made two days ago, and hasn't commented for follow up after 31 of our comments... comments which at this point have devolved into ethnocentrism?

Well done troll... I salute you...

You think he waited all this time to make one single troll post?? He's been a member like a year and a half

[itsjayman02]

I asked because it seems like an Australian thing. Let's not forget, if you hadn't joined this site there's every chance you would have run test, tren and deca as your first cycle. But you didn't, thankfully

If it makes you feel any better if I saw a thread 'Will 20 Cups Of Tea Per Day Damage My Gains?' I would automatically assume it was written by a Brit. Not mentioning any names in particular........

Damn it thats why ive reached a plateau.......which I so often hear!!!

Right wheres that coffee.

[ickythump]

Don't do it Jay, I was 6'4 before I started drinking copious amounts of coffee

[MODO]

You think he waited all this time to make one single troll post?? He's been a member like a year and a half

yes

stale account maybe

[Endomorph47]

Just ask Boston Loyd, he will give the right answer, on what to do.

[Honkey_Kong]

Fair play mate. But making a off the cuff remark are you Australian by chance does ring the bells of racism.
And you're right we tend to stick our necks out for each other right or wrong lol

Racism? If anything, it'd be xenophobia, since Australians aren't a race, but rather a nationality. But he didn't say anything bad about Aussies.