Minimum hCG to prevent atrophy and preserve fertility

[zerodarkthirty]

Hi guys,

I looked around in the stickies and never saw the answer to this one. I've been progressively reducing the amount of hCG that I take in an attempt to keep my E2 down and to reduce the amount of AI that I need to take. Within an hour or two of taking hCG, I can feel the shift (fatigue, puffy eyes, sensitive nips).

Question: what do you think is the absolute minimum amount of hCG that I need to take every week to keep my testicles from significant atrophy AND to preserve fertility? Thanks!

Zero

I have been doing 250 IU every 3 days. I tried splitting that into a daily dose, to no avail. Now I am cutting back to 200 IU every 3 days.

[Rrexy]

The most common dose I've seen on the forum for TRT is 250 - 2x / week.

[zerodarkthirty]

For the bare minimum, or just as a common dosage? I was thinking the latter.

[Beethoven]

I'm cutting down on hcg also for the same reason. I'm trying 500 a week.

[Texanman]

I have been doing 200 IU two times a week for the last six months with no problem. I feel better on 200 compared to 250.

[jimmyinkedup]

Yeah i would try 200ius-2x/week....

[BallSak]

I've been doing 200-250 iu just once per week for the last 6 weeks or so. Only because I'm running out and need to ration it until I get more. I can tell that it is not quite enough because sometimes I get a slight dull ache. No atrophy though. I would think 400iu per week would be the minimum and still get the results.

[zerodarkthirty]

Ok, thanks for everyone's comments.

[Ryanmcd]

Ok, thanks for everyone's comments.

I have been doing HCG about 2+ years now and have tried about every combo, it's what works best for you, I like 100-120 a day the best, the 250 2-3x a week I had acne but at 100 a day I have 0 issues and feel best, it's a trial / error thing.

[2Sox]

I have been doing HCG about 2+ years now and have tried about every combo, it's what works best for you, I like 100-120 a day the best, the 250 2-3x a week I had acne but at 100 a day I have 0 issues and feel best, it's a trial / error thing.

And in what way has this dose affected your E2 level? I'm very interested in knowing. Thanks.

[Ryanmcd]

And in what way has this dose affected your E2 level? I'm very interested in knowing. Thanks.

E2 is between 18-22 for the past few years and I have had 0 AI, this is on the gels and doing 100-150 shoot 1 time or 2 times a week and HCG daily. I guess I am lucky.

I did take a AI one time and I went E2=6 and felt like crap.

[2Sox]

E2 is between 18-22 for the past few years and I have had 0 AI, this is on the gels and doing 100-150 shoot 1 time or 2 times a week and HCG daily. I guess I am lucky.

I did take a AI one time and I went E2=6 and felt like crap.

Can you clarify? What is "100-150 shoot"? How much gel do you apply daily?

When I was on Androgel, I took 3-4 pumps a day to feel good, and needed a low dose AI - average .25mg adex a week.

[zerodarkthirty]

I hear you, Ryan. That's how I feel, that I've tried it all (and none of it has worked...yet).

[booku]

I have no atrophy and no pain after over a year on. Is this normal? I do not use hcg and have no plans to, i am almost 24....

[roxer]

I have no atrophy and no pain after over a year on. Is this normal? I do not use hcg and have no plans to, i am almost 24....

It took me three years on T before the ache started. I messed around with clomid for a while, so that took care of it for a short period of time. I do 300iu x3 week. My E2 has run ~25 for the last 11 months. Everyone's different.

[booku]

It took me three years on T before the ache started. I messed around with clomid for a while, so that took care of it for a short period of time. I do 300iu x3 week. My E2 has run ~25 for the last 11 months. Everyone's different.

Interesting.

What effects did you notice when you added the hcg versus test only? psychological and physical

[2Sox]

I have no atrophy and no pain after over a year on. Is this normal? I do not use hcg and have no plans to, i am almost 24....

You may have no plans to use hCG now, but I'm fairly certain you'll change your mind. Here's the scenario for most men: When your stones get the size of M&Ms, your scrotum shrinks up tight like an infant's, your ejaculate becomes virtually non-existent, and your orgasms become something on the low side of mediocre and strangely painful, that's when you'll reconsider.

And then there's the game changer: No hCG, very small chance of having a family.

"Normal" is a relative term.

[booku]

You may have no plans to use hCG now, but I'm fairly certain you'll change your mind. Here's the scenario for most men: When your stones get the size of M&Ms, your scrotum shrinks up tight like an infant's, your ejaculate becomes virtually non-existent, and your orgasms become something on the low side of mediocre and strangely painful, that's when you'll reconsider.

And then there's the game changer: No hCG, very small chance of having a family.

"Normal" is a relative term.

I have noticed that after a year, it takes slightly longer to achieve orgasm but is that really a negative lol

[BallSak]

I will say the only effect I can feel from hcg, other than testicle size, is orgasm quality is way better the day I take my hcg shot... Which is something I really look forward to.