Baby's first cycle

[rp7r]

Cycle:
Weeks 1-12: Test - e at 400 mg/week
Weeks 1-14: Armidex @ 0.5mg EOD
I have 8000 IUs of HCG but I read once you mix it, it only lasts ~30 days, so I'm not sure how to go about that.

PCT:
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50/50 mg
Aromasin 25/25/25/25 mg

I plan to do a routine close to Layne Nortons PHAT

Stats:
Weight: 155 lbs
Height: 5'9
BF: ~10% maybe

Before Pics:

[Tommy_T]

Looks solid man! Seeing as we are doing similar cycles around the same time we should keep each other motivated. Although once the juice starts kicking in I don't see motivation being an issue ! I'm not familiar with Layne's hypertrophy program, but the dude knows what he's talking about, I definitely saw some significant gains on his PHAT program.

Also your pics don't seem to be showing up!?

[rp7r]

Edited to try and fix pictures. The PHAT program is what I'm talking about, forgot the name for it.

[Tommy_T]

Nice man! Yea PHAT is a great program for strength building/adding mass. So combine that with your juice, and provided that you're eating like a horse, I'm sure you'll put on 20lbs of lean mass by the end of this cycle no problem!

[rp7r]

if I can afford it and I already have a 6 week PCT planned could I go to 600 mg per week or higher? or is that an overeager plan for the first cycle?

UPDATES

I put on about 5 pounds of what I assume is water.. my shoulders and arms are looking much more vascular. I've been taking 3.5 grams of creatine a day, not sure if thats a good idea with the water retention I always hear about.

Second injection in other quad I massaged and took a bath after and had much less pain than the first one. Third one is tonight.

[Back In Black]

You had plenty of natural growth left in you. You just needed to eat.

I hope you know what you're doing cycling at your age.

[rp7r]

I know I'm not that big but Ive had trouble gaining weight at 2600-3000 calories. I'm 22, not that young, and havent grown taller since I was 16 or 17.

[Tommy_T]

Just keep increasing calories and you're bound to start gaining weight at some point. I had the same problem, I went all the way up to 5000cal a day at one point. That many calories ain't cheap though... I see that your Canadian, so am I. Meat is ****ing expensive as hell here in Canada. Luckily I live close to the US border so I usally cross over to get my chicken and stuff over there at a fraction of the price.

[rp7r]

Luckily this last fall I enjoyed my first hunting season and have acquired 100 pounds of deer in my freezer.

I've been eating lots of PBJ sandwiches and deer pepperonis, havent been counting calories much just trying to eat as much as I can all day.

[Back In Black]

I know I'm not that big but Ive had trouble gaining weight at 2600-3000 calories. I'm 22, not that young, and havent grown taller since I was 16 or 17.

You struggle to gain weight without AAS you will struggle to hold onto any gains you make. You don't gain at 3000 calories you need to eat 3500. You don't gain at 3500 you need to eat 4000. No doubt you have your diet sorted though for throughout your cycle and then a different plan for pct and then a different plan for after pct.

And there is more to being ready for AAS than your height. ALOT more.

[rp7r]

You're right, I will struggle. But I'm at a time in my life I can follow a good routine, and I wanted to try steroids.

I realize there's more, no I haven't had xrays done to see if my bones have matured enough, I just used height as an example.

I realize there's still risks at my age but I'm 22, not 17, and I've accepted the risks.

[rp7r]

UPDATE

I'm up to 164 lbs. I'm not getting any stronger but I've definitely noticed I'm more vascular during my pumps and I think I have more endurance, or I might just be pushing harder.

I started counting calories for the first time ever, I'm making about 2600 but I'm going to keep pushing it.

Both my thighs have been itchy lately, which I've read is just a side of any injections, and it's nothing more than annoying.

[Black]

I know I'm not that big but Ive had trouble gaining weight at 2600-3000 calories. I'm 22, not that young, and havent grown taller since I was 16 or 17.

UPDATE

I'm up to 164 lbs. I'm not getting any stronger but I've definitely noticed I'm more vascular during my pumps and I think I have more endurance, or I might just be pushing harder.

I started counting calories for the first time ever, I'm making about 2600 but I'm going to keep pushing it.

Both my thighs have been itchy lately, which I've read is just a side of any injections, and it's nothing more than annoying.

So you said you don't grow on 2600-3000 calories and then in a later post, you said you just started counting calories for the first time ever.

You obviously weren't eating anywhere close to 2600-3000 before and it shows.

Please come back and post after your PCT about how you lost everything you "gained" on steroids.

[JWP806]

Luckily this last fall I enjoyed my first hunting season and have acquired 100 pounds of deer in my freezer.

I've been eating lots of PBJ sandwiches and deer pepperonis, havent been counting calories much just trying to eat as much as I can all day.

Sounds like you have your diet sorted out...

You really should head over to the diet section because PBJs and deer pepperoni is not optimal. You haven't been growing because your diet is garbage.

[redz]

Pbj??? Clear diet issues. You are small because you eat small.

[slfmade]

Why do you refer to yourself as "Baby". I mean I would sort of get it if that was your username, but it's not so I don't understand.

You're obviously gonna do this regardless of what anybody tells you....part of being young I guess. I won't condone your decisions so I won't give cycle advice. So, the only think I can comment on is the PHAT routine. It and HIT are my two favorite programs. I like to run HIT during cycle and PHAT during pct.

Please do let me know why you call yourself Baby cause it's bothering me.

[Cody95]

I know I'm not that big but Ive had trouble gaining weight at 2600-3000 calories. I'm 22, not that young, and havent grown taller since I was 16 or 17.

The reason you are having trouble is that you need more then 2600-3000 calories a day.. Bump that up to 3300-3500 and see what i mean.

[Cody95]

Also your diet is bad.. Go to the diet section like JWP said.

[rp7r]

PBJ is the most calorie intensive thing I've been told to eat. And deer pepperonis are lots of low fat protein. The main thing the nutrition section said is to bulk I need more calories. I've been eating oatmeal/toast for breakfast, lots of chicken, pasta, and deer for meals, and PBJ and deer pepperonis when I can fit them in. I'll bump later with a breakdown.

My maintenance calories are about 1800. I think I can make 3500 but I get more insomnia the more I eat.

Called it baby's first cycle as in milestone moments in your life "baby's first ___" it is pretty weird every time I look at it but I don't see why the title of a thread is a big deal.

And I don't understand why you wouldn't give someone advice just because you don't agree with their decision to cycle. The young and inexperienced people are the ones that need help but you'll disregard them. I'm not doing a huge stack or 1 g a week with no PCT or cycle, I'm trying to do my best and use the cycle as motivation to push myself.

Does anyone have good ideas for itchy quads post injection, I've been taking benadryl.

[redz]

They are crap quality food sub them out for more meat and potatoes. Processed meat might be ok once in a while but generally it's garbage. Try cooking a ton of meat and eating some every couple hours.

[Black]

PBJ is the most calorie intensive thing I've been told to eat. And deer pepperonis are lots of low fat protein. The main thing the nutrition section said is to bulk I need more calories. I've been eating oatmeal/toast for breakfast, lots of chicken, pasta, and deer for meals, and PBJ and deer pepperonis when I can fit them in. I'll bump later with a breakdown.

My maintenance calories are about 1800. I think I can make 3500 but I get more insomnia the more I eat.

Called it baby's first cycle as in milestone moments in your life "baby's first ___" it is pretty weird every time I look at it but I don't see why the title of a thread is a big deal.

And I don't understand why you wouldn't give someone advice just because you don't agree with their decision to cycle. The young and inexperienced people are the ones that need help but you'll disregard them. I'm not doing a huge stack or 1 g a week with no PCT or cycle, I'm trying to do my best and use the cycle as motivation to push myself.

Does anyone have good ideas for itchy quads post injection, I've been taking benadryl.

People are giving you advice, you are just choosing to ignore it because its not what you want to hear. You have no business using steroids at this time. "young and inexperienced" like you said. Key words there.

Also, you should have plenty of motivation to lift WITHOUT steroids. So you don't lift when you are not on steroids? Again, please come back to this log or whatever it is several weeks after your PCT and let us know how you lost all your "gains".

[rp7r]

They are hand processed by a butcher I personally know out of a deer I personally shot, so it's not like there are too many chemical additives. I like eating them, but if you think it's bad I can cut them out.

I've been cooking up lots of chicken breast and ground deer to eat throughout the day, it's the best I could think of.

You guys use 25 years old like it's some golden number when none of you are doctors it's just a number you were told. Yes there are risks to your HPTA system and other growth aspects when you take steroids and it's more when you're younger. There's risks to a lot of things in life. I've researched as many horror stories as I could find and asked everyone I know and what I found was the biggest risk was infections. I'm careful with my injections and I'm taking a risk, yes.

I'm not ignoring the advice, I want to finish this cycle myself and see where I'm at.

I lift as often as I can, I play as many sports as I can. Extra motivation isn't a bad thing.

I thought it'd be fun to post a journal and get feedback but all I get is flak, I guess I'll discontinue it.

Sorry for wasting everyone's time.

[aussie made]

Chin up mate. The advise everyone is given is correct tho. I was in same boat as u. Didn't eat enough. Lost gains. Started steroids when I was 20. Stupid move. Now at 25 I have low test and am trying now to get back to my normal self. Isn't a good feeling. I myself should of taken the advise given, them years ago. wouldn't be like this now.

[Black]

They are hand processed by a butcher I personally know out of a deer I personally shot, so it's not like there are too many chemical additives. I like eating them, but if you think it's bad I can cut them out.

I've been cooking up lots of chicken breast and ground deer to eat throughout the day, it's the best I could think of.

You guys use 25 years old like it's some golden number when none of you are doctors it's just a number you were told. Yes there are risks to your HPTA system and other growth aspects when you take steroids and it's more when you're younger. There's risks to a lot of things in life. I've researched as many horror stories as I could find and asked everyone I know and what I found was the biggest risk was infections. I'm careful with my injections and I'm taking a risk, yes.

I'm not ignoring the advice, I want to finish this cycle myself and see where I'm at.

I lift as often as I can, I play as many sports as I can. Extra motivation isn't a bad thing.

I thought it'd be fun to post a journal and get feedback but all I get is flak, I guess I'll discontinue it.

Sorry for wasting everyone's time.

I do not use age (a number) as a means of determining ones readiness for steroids. I look at muscle maturity, training history and knowledge of nutrition. Just because you are a certain age (over 25) doesn't mean you are ready.

You need to have time invested. Training consistently for years and continuing to advance your exercise knowledge. Build a nice mature muscle base with proper nutrition. And know what and how to eat for your goals.

Steroids are not a quick, permanent fix.

[EveryDamDay]

I'm getting flamed for not having a good base and starting a PH, I would say you weren't ready. Everyone seems to be giving good advice.

[slfmade]

I'm getting flamed for not having a good base and starting a PH, I would say you weren't ready. Everyone seems to be giving good advice.

You're not getting flamed. You were just told that your BF is way higher than what you said it was. Plus PH's are never a good idea.