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    First cycle, help preventing sides and keeping gains

    I'm male, 36, 210lbs 5,10 a flat stomach but I'm not shredded by any means.
    I've been training off and on for years but the last 18 months have been serious training with only my required recovery time off. My diet is good, high protein with a focus on organic unprocessed foods.

    I'm on testosterone and anavar...started a week ago and plan a 8 week cycle

    I'm on a T400, and I get 200mgs test ethanate and 200mgs of test undecanoate for a total of 400mgs per week.

    The anavar is 80mgs ED. 40mg in the morning and 40mgs in the evening.

    I know this is a conservative dose of test, but I'm new and unsure if this kind of dose requires anything on cycle to prevent gyno? Should I be taking nolva on cycle? Is there a dose of test and anavar low enough where nothing else is needed?
    To keep gains made can I get by with just nolva or clomid?

    For natural supplements I'm also taking diindolylmethane/Indole-3-Carbinol, chrysin, zinc and omega 3's

    I'm prepared to add something to my cycle to reduce sides and something for PCT but I'm just not sure what to chose. There are a lot of options and (I think) I've chosen a pretty low dose/safe stack so I don't even know if anything is needed on cycle at all.

    Thanks

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    you need an AI ASAP, eg. Arimidex .25mg EOD

    also HCG 2x 250iu/week

    PCT, nolva 40/20/20/20 + clomid 100/50/50/50

    you should have researched this kinda stuff before you started.... educate before you medicate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik420
    you need an AI ASAP, eg. Arimidex .25mg EOD

    also HCG 2x 250iu/week

    PCT, nolva 40/20/20/20 + clomid 100/50/50/50

    you should have researched this kinda stuff before you started.... educate before you medicate..
    ^^^This.....and the gains you keep are ALL determined by diet. You aren't eating at or above your maintenance calories (TDEE) post cycle, say goodbye to most of the gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik420 View Post
    you need an AI ASAP, eg. Arimidex .25mg EOD

    also HCG 2x 250iu/week

    PCT, nolva 40/20/20/20 + clomid 100/50/50/50

    you should have researched this kinda stuff before you started.... educate before you medicate..
    I appreciate the speedy reply. I admit that the guy I buy from told me with my test dose as low I am taking it I wouldn't need anything on cycle. But the more I read here got me wondering....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rellim

    I appreciate the speedy reply. I admit that the guy I buy from told me with my test dose as low I am taking it I wouldn't need anything on cycle. But the more I read here got me wondering....
    Rule #1: never take advice from your drug dealer. If they don't have it, they'll tell you you don't need it. If they have it, they'll tell you you have to have it!!!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Rule #1: never take advice from your drug dealer. If they don't have it, they'll tell you you don't need it. If they have it, they'll tell you you have to have it!!!! Lol
    ^^^ The company store logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik420
    you need an AI ASAP, eg. Arimidex .25mg EOD also HCG 2x 250iu/week PCT, nolva 40/20/20/20 + clomid 100/50/50/50 you should have researched this kinda stuff before you started.... educate before you medicate..
    We'll said!

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    Next time, be sure to have all necessary components to cycle BEFORE actually starting. Proper research would've revealed that you needed more products than just the testosterone to successfully complete the cycle. In all reality, the test is the least important.

    There are many intelligent, and helpful people on this board, but it should be up to you to take it upon yourself to educate yourself on the basics. It's not smart to inject yourself with drugs, and then decide to try and learn....education before medication!

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