Second Cycle Planning

[Axlerose43]

Hello everyone. I know this is my first post and I know that I might get a lot of heat but I have done my research but I am mostly looking for opinions. I just finished my first cycle with great success. I ran Sust 300 for 12 weeks and gained 20 lbs and have kept it all so far. I train very hard 6 days a week and my nutrition is almost nearly on point ( just a little tweaking here and there).

The main question I have is for advice and opinions on my second cycle. A little about me I have been working out for a while and sometimes on and off. I am an extremely hard gainer and the weight I have gained has not come without hard work. I was amazed with my first cycle and how much easier it became for me. I am on my PCT right now but I am already planning my next cycle for when it is time. This time I really want to supplement the sust 300 with another compound but I am having a hard time deciding. The reason I am doing sust 300 again is because I have 2 more 12 week cycles already in anticipation bc my connection left but now I have a new one. SO I can def. switch it up if I find a better combination.

SO basically I really want to do a Dbol/sust/tren cycle. or Sust/tren. or sust/deca. I really cannot decide what would be better for me. I am thinking though that since this is my second cycle I would probably be better off doing just a dbol/sus. I would use the dbol for the first 4 weeks just to kickstart the cycle. I am really looking to make more gains though and that is why I am really curios to try tren, but have also considered deca bc I know it is not as harsh. anyway I would really like advice and opinions and if you would like any more info to help me asses I would be more than happy to provide it. Thank you all and have a very nice day.

btw don't rip into me too hard.

[MuscleInk]

Hello everyone. I know this is my first post and I know that I might get a lot of heat but I have done my research but I am mostly looking for opinions. I just finished my first cycle with great success. I ran Sust 300 for 12 weeks and gained 20 lbs and have kept it all so far. I train very hard 6 days a week and my nutrition is almost nearly on point ( just a little tweaking here and there).

The main question I have is for advice and opinions on my second cycle. A little about me I have been working out for a while and sometimes on and off. I am an extremely hard gainer and the weight I have gained has not come without hard work. I was amazed with my first cycle and how much easier it became for me. I am on my PCT right now but I am already planning my next cycle for when it is time. This time I really want to supplement the sust 300 with another compound but I am having a hard time deciding. The reason I am doing sust 300 again is because I have 2 more 12 week cycles already in anticipation bc my connection left but now I have a new one. SO I can def. switch it up if I find a better combination.

SO basically I really want to do a Dbol/sust/tren cycle. or Sust/tren. or sust/deca. I really cannot decide what would be better for me. I am thinking though that since this is my second cycle I would probably be better off doing just a dbol/sus. I would use the dbol for the first 4 weeks just to kickstart the cycle. I am really looking to make more gains though and that is why I am really curios to try tren, but have also considered deca bc I know it is not as harsh. anyway I would really like advice and opinions and if you would like any more info to help me asses I would be more than happy to provide it. Thank you all and have a very nice day.

btw don't rip into me too hard.

If sust worked so well, stick with it. Remember, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Keep it simple on the second cycle.

What is your AI and dose?

Using HCG?

[Axlerose43]

This is where I really messed up. I had researched a lot before my cycle about AI's and HCG. I did not take any bc the guy who was "mentoring" me told me I didn't need any. I knew he was wrong but something about having the person right in front of me giving me the info got the best of me. I will not go without it again. I like your advice and I kind of think it was what I was thinking in the first place. The gains are addicting though and who is ever satisfied.

[MuscleInk]

This is where I really messed up. I had researched a lot before my cycle about AI's and HCG. I did not take any bc the guy who was "mentoring" me told me I didn't need any. I knew he was wrong but something about having the person right in front of me giving me the info got the best of me. I will not go without it again. I like your advice and I kind of think it was what I was thinking in the first place. The gains are addicting though and who is ever satisfied.

Well if the guy providing the advice was also providing the gear......lol......dealers will tell you to buy what they have and not what they don't have. Their interest is in your money.

Yes sir, always have those AIs and HCG for your cycle.

Run the sust again. See how you do. With the right nutrition, the gains should continue. Then you can think about deca or tren for a third cycle. The 19nors require more management.

[derekkpapa1]

no tren on second cycle. No tren till you know you planned and executed at least 3 perfect cycles. No tren till you are fully aware of all possible sides and how to deal with them. could go on but feel those 3 are all the ones that apply here. Run same cycle as first as mentioned first and as muscle said list out ai hcg doses

[wicked442]

I agree with these guys^^^. If you are still getting gains from test,why spend the extra $ or have the added stress hoping you can manage deca or tren.

[Axlerose43]

honestly I was not considering an AI or HCG. I was going to run a serm like nolvadex. I only plan on running 600mg of sust a week again. Am I wrong for that? and then the same for pct or clomid?

[wicked442]

At 600mg of test you better have an ai on cycle,like aromasin at 12.5mg at least eod,unless you want to wear a bra. You dont run a serm on cycle. Serms are for pct and yes you def need one. I use clomid at 75/50/50/25 plus a test booster and your other staple supps. Its better to be proactive instead of reactive.

[MuscleInk]

honestly I was not considering an AI or HCG. I was going to run a serm like nolvadex. I only plan on running 600mg of sust a week again. Am I wrong for that? and then the same for pct or clomid?

SERMs only block estrogen binding. They don't prevent aromatization of test to estrogen and increasing estrogens in your blood increase risks for more serious cardiac events (stroke, embolism, arterial diseases) and prostate diseases - to name only a few risks. No one here would tell you to run a SERM on cycle to manage serum estrogen levels.

An AI is a must.

[kelkel]

At 600mg of test you better have an ai on cycle,like aromasin at 12.5mg at least eod,unless you want to wear a bra. You dont run a serm on cycle. Serms are for pct and yes you def need one. I use clomid at 75/50/50/25 plus a test booster and your other staple supps. Its better to be proactive instead of reactive.

Careful with test boosters, many are suppressive of natural testosterone.

[MuscleInk]

Careful with test boosters, many are suppressive of natural testosterone.

^^^My brother-in-law found this out the hard way!!!!!

[wicked442]

^^^My brother-in-law found this out the hard way!!!!!

Even with DAA?

[Axlerose43]

Hell yeah. Great info guys and it is os very much appreciated. I def. know what I am going to do now. I il continue to read and post my progress.

[MuscleInk]

Even with DAA?

Yes, but it may depend on whats in the product and doses. My brother-in-law had a hard time "on cycle" and recovering was slower than he expected. His biggest problem was acne towards the end of his use and it persisted for a little over a month after. On the last week of use he felt more fatigued and his appetite was erratic. Some days his appetite was crazy, other days he had very little desire to eat.

I asked him to come in and I'd run his blood work off the books but he never came in. He's been better lately. Sticking to a lean diet and vitamin supplements. He just turned 29 yesterday. That was his first (and apparently last) use of it. Too bad about the blood work though. I was very curious to see what was exactly going on.

[wicked442]

Did he use oral aas or just inject?

[MuscleInk]

Did he use oral aas or just inject?

OTC test booster alone. He knows where he can get oral and injectable AAS if he wants them.

I really would have liked to review his blood work because for an OTC product, it caused him more grief than it was worth for him. I was probably more interested in his blood work than he was. I have never used an oral test booster - never believed it was as good as the hype. After seeing the problems he had though, I really wish I had some physiological parameters to evaluate. His BP was up above his normal rate during his 8 weeks of use. Not quite clinically pre-hypertensive but significant from baseline. That was the only thing I checked when he was running the product. HR was up slightly from normal but not as much as change in BP.

[Axlerose43]

1 more question. I read the rules and I hope that I am not breaking one. For some reason the guy that is my supplier said he may not be able to get an AI or serm. I know this is ridiculous, but this is also the only guy I know of that I can get any AAS from. Anyway is there any reputable place online I can get some aromasin and clomid or nolvadex? I just don't know what to trust and maybe someone knows the answer. I also know how dumb it is he cant get it for me.....

[wicked442]

I know where to order good research chems,but dont think we can source here.

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