Feedback on first cycle please

[Ryanaussie]

Planning cycle for August
Age:23
Weight:85 kilos
Years training: 6
Height 6 foot
Bf%:12

Been planning for a long time and doing plenty of research
all I could get were I'm from is 5 bottles prop so don't question that looking to pack on as much lean mass as possible will be eating 5000+ calories a day I'm a fair hard gainer I have tried for a while and an still trying to get my hands on hcg its not looking real good though so hear is my cycle plan I would like some honest feedback and advice and are dosages alright and what are some realistic gains I could make from this cycle

Test prop -120mg eod week 1-12
Arimedex .25 eod week 1-12

Pct 3 day after last pin
Torem -90/60/30/30
Clomid-75/50/50/50

Also I have some clen a mate gave me would it be worth throwing that in during pct to get rid of some excess fat I've put on or should I leave that out?

[Back In Black]

Read the sticky at the top, Planning And Executing A First Cycle. It will explain what is wrong with your plan. When you have read it post your revised plan.

How many cals a day do you eat now and define 'as much mass as possible' because with 5000cals a lot of that mass ain't gonna be muscle I doubt.

[Ryanaussie]

Have read stickie and revised what I think was needed And I always bulk on 5000 calories that's what works for me with minamal fat gain just looking for them extra few kilos this year

[RangerDanger830]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Back In Black]

Have read stickie and revised what I think was needed And I always bulk on 5000 calories that's what works for me with minamal fat gain just looking for them extra few kilos this year

no offence but you have taken no notice of that sticky.

[RangerDanger830]

no offence but you have taken no notice of that sticky.

He is right. If your original post has been amended to reflect the newfound knowledge in that sticky then you didn't read it. Even if it was a decent cycle I still wouldn't be able to help you due to the fact that you left out information. For example, one milliliter of test e, I am assuming that is at 250mg/ml? I mean it could be 1000mg/ml for all we know.

For the sake of helping you out I would say just do the exact same cycle that austinite posted, she/he has done all of the research for you and put it in one place.

And since you won't think I am an ass by telling you not to do it and not telling you why....there are too many compounds in there. Do not take so many different compounds at once. What if you get bad sides? You have no idea which one is doing it. If you start simple with test e and slowly add compounds in to your cycles then if something messes you up you know to adjust doses, cycle support doses, or avoid it or whatever.

[Ryanaussie]

Post edited again how is that now ?

[Back In Black]

Post edited again how is that now ?

I'm not sure what sticky you read?

Why would you you want forma stanol when you have a'dex in there and why run it in pct?

Prop is not a 12 week compound, not for a first cycle anyway.

No d'bol, test only for a first cycle.

No HCG?

Pct starts 3 days after last pin not 2 and your do savages are whack.

Seriously, did you read this?
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Ryanaussie]

Alright read over it again edited what I thought I needed and dropped the dbol and the forma, I am trying to get hcg but it's hard I live in rural Australia in a small town and I can not get it locally have been trying very hard I guess I could try buy it off the. Net and see how lucky I am ,
Also I understand prop is a short ester but all the reading I've done suggests no reason why I couldn't run it for twelve weeks and I know I'm in for pain and a lot of injections but that's the price I'm willing to pay as said before stuff is not easy to get wear I'm from and test prop was all I could get

[Ryanaussie]

Or would u recommend 8-10 weeks instead?

[Back In Black]

Much better. 8 weeks of prop is a good first cycle, no need for longer. In fact, I stopped my last one at 7 weeks. If you have good enough gear you shouldn't really get any PIP and you only pin as many times in an 8 week prop cycle as you would a 12 week cycle with longer ester. Just rotate your injection sites.

You can up your dose to 150mg EOD if you like.

Try and get hold of HCG.

Please delete the price from your post thanks

[Ryanaussie]

Thanks yeah i will go with 8 weeks at 150 mg eod
Would It be a bad idea to throw the clen in during pct or not long after ?

[Back In Black]

No cutting til about 6 weeks after end of PCT. Keep your diet tight during cycle and you should be happy with your results (provided your gear is up to par).

You will need to up your carbs during PCT to counteract the reduction in testosterone in your system so you are likely to gain a little fat in this time.

[dusto]

Hey Ryanaussie I'm in aus too it's easy to get hcg here no matter if you're in a small town or not I tried to pm you but it won't let me send you must not have enough posts or something. But online should get you what you want

[Ryanaussie]

Yeah thanks il try get posts up and pm u until then il try my luck online

[TheMonstar]

I would hold off on gear for another 2-3 years and make natural gains ! You are 23! You can achieve a great physique with hard work and diet ! Get your natural potential first and than look to advance with anabolics. If you dead set on cycling post up your stats and we can talk more . It seems as though you need to do a bit more research before you propose any cycle