Next cycle - 1st time Tren

[jdpeters]

Hey all,

41 years old
6'
195 lbs
13% bf
Lifting seriously over 5 years
Tried Deca last cycle but stopped a couple weeks in. Didn't feel I was ready for it. Just stuck with test. This will be my 3rd cycle. Been reading a lot about tren and want to try it. Here is what I am thinking.

Week 1-10 400 mg Test C
Week 2-10 250 mg Tren E
Week 2-14 .50 mg Caber - or Prami not sure, I have both...
Week 1-14 500iu hcg
Week 1-10 some kind of AI. Thinking about a low dose of Letro instead of dex. Another person suggested Stane. Not sure about that.
Week 1-10 vitamin B-6
18 days after last test shot
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Tamoxifen 40/20/20/20

Also taking multi vitamin, vitamin C, B12, liver support, zinc, vitamin D

I travel a lot so need to use the long esters. Can't do eod pinning...

Thoughts? Probably forgot something. ..

Thanks

JP

[AsEpSiS]

If you really do want to try using tren E, I'd start it the same time as the Test, but quit it a few weeks before ending the Test. Also, I'm not sure why you want to use letro. Did you use an AI on previous cycles?

Personally, I'd wait on the tren until you've cycled more and become more accustom to how your body reacts to androgens. Three cycles is still pretty beginner status. I've done 5 test only cycles before I added another compounds, but.....that's just me.

If you really have your mind set on tren, I think starting off at a very very low dose and titrate the dose up upon comfort. Tren sides can get pretty gnarly(I know first hand)!! With the long ester, you're going to have deal with unpleasant sides for a while until the ester clears.

[redz]

So last cycle you weren't ready for deca and now you're ready for the king of kings tren? That my friend makes no sense.

[jdpeters]

Redz, by saying I wasn't ready for it was only because I didn't have caber on hand. I ordered it but it didn't make it in time. So instead of just continuing I opted to just stick to test. I am making sure I have everything this time around.

Thanks

[redz]

Ok that makes more sense but trying tren for the first injectable addition in your cycle when all you have ran is test is still a big jump. Definitely don't run letro unless absolutely necessary.

[jdpeters]

Asepsis, so start them at the same time, I can do that. I thought the doses I had posted were pretty low. So is 100mg of tren a better dose to start with. I wanted to also keep the test lower too since tren is such a strong compound.

I ran liquid dex from ar-r but had tender nipples the whole time. Started with letro and they went away. I am open for suggestions but that is what worked for me in the past. I think I am a little prone to gyno. Just my hypothesis so far.

I probably should wait a few more cycles but tren just seems like a great compound to use that I want to try it out. I understand that I need to combat the sides which is why I am getting everything that has been suggested on the tren thread.

Anyway I really do appreciate all feedback.

Thanks,

JP

[redz]

Letro lowers estrogen too much try a higher dose of adex.

[jdpeters]

Yeah, I will do that but have letro on hand.

Trying to think about keeping the estrogen down, but I guess you don't want to plummet it to nothing either...

Thanks

JP

[jdpeters]

Anyone use stane from ar-r? Is that a good replacement for adex?

[ppwc1985]

Yes, and yes. Really all in your preference. I like stane better.

[havanakid]

Why not give Deca a true shot and save the tren to cycle the next time?Deca is great for mass gains and strength.Im telling you from first hand experience youre gonna love it and it will be a learning experience for you.Another stepping stone.

[jdpeters]

So I'm guessing Deca is less harsh then Tren. Just take caber or prami with it and PCT normally?

For the one week I did Deca I seemed to get acne. Where I didn't get it before with test alone.

So the dose should be
200 mgs Deca per week
400 to 500 of Test per week?