On cycle gyno reversal?

[Captncavematt]

Seems like I recently read a thread here about on cycle gyno reversal. I used the search function and could not find it again. Anyway what would the proper protocol be for someone in their last 2-3 weeks of a low dose sustanon cycle who noticed a small lump under their nipple? Sensitivity was noticed a few weeks ago and Liquidex was upped to every day. sensitivity reduced, but now small lump is present that is somewhat sensitive when palpitated. Stop cycle and start nolva? Nolva and continue cycle? Stop cycle and wait 14 days and then start PCT, including nolva.

Thanks.

[NoBulkNoCutJustGrow]

It really depends on what you want bro. Staying on cycle while treating the gyno will only take longer for the gyno to be reversed; it's possible just takes longer because there's constant testosterone being converted into estrogen so there's more to fight off per say. I've done an on cycle reversal with tamoxifen and exemestane (Nolva and Aromasin) with the following protocol:

week 1: First 3 days: 60 mg ED then last 4 days: 40mg Nolva ED / Aromasin 25mg ED
Week 2: 40mg Nolva ED / Aromasin 25mg ED
Wee 3 - until it subsides: 20mg Nolva ED / Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Then maintenance dose of 10 mg after it subsides if you're still on cycle when it does.

You can also go with letro but in acute cases IMO. Letro can really crash you estrogen completely if you're not careful.
Hope it helps.

[almostgone]

Look in the following thread under cycle support and management. The thread you're looking for may be there.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

[Captncavematt]

It really depends on what you want bro.

Thinking that ending the cycle is the wise thing to do. Aromasin is not on hand, but Arimidex (LiquiDex) is. That should work. Right? Should PCT be started now, or should the 14-18 day after last pin waiting period occur first?

Almostgone, I remember Austinite chimed in but I do not think it was one of his articles.

[NoBulkNoCutJustGrow]

Thinking that ending the cycle is the wise thing to do. Aromasin is not on hand, but Arimidex (LiquiDex) is. That should work. Right? Should PCT be started now, or should the 14-18 day after last pin waiting period occur first?

Almostgone, I remember Austinite chimed in but I do not think it was one of his articles.

Arimidex is not an suicidal inhibitor; meaning the conversion to estrogen is not eliminated but "pauased" while taking Arimidex. This could lead to a bounce back effect when you stop taking it that can cause your gyno to come back after treating it. You're best choices are suicidal inhibitors such as aromasin or letro or even forma stanzol. You can use arimidex but there's a greater chance of your gyno returning after you cease using it.

Yes wait 14 days from last pin to start PCT but start taking the AI immediately at the dose recommended to stop any more estrogen from converting. Gyno shouldn't get much worse if you stop introducing test in your system to be converted to estrogen.

[K_PIN]

I'd ditch the arimidex and start running aromasin. I've used both and found aromasin to be much better. Like the others mentioned, it works differently and you will not get a rebound effect with it being a suicide inhibitor. Continue into your pct and run nolva (I'd personally run both nolva and clomid) and stop the aromasin when the lump gets smaller. Also I think a lot of people panic and overreact when the slightest bump or sensitivity pops up. Just the thought of man boobs will freak people out. The A.I should keep it from getting any worse and once you complete pct it will most likely be gone. I've had slight signs of it before and it's always went away after a proper pct.

Finishing the cycle or stopping now would be your call and how bad the lump and sensitivity are. Doesn't sound like it's anything bad and if it isn't getting any worse I'd finish the cycle. But that is totally your call and what matters more, the extra gains or getting rid of the issue the quickest.

[Captncavematt]

AR-R is out of aromasin, but they have Letro. What would the dosing be for those?

K Pin, when you say "continue into your PCT" do you mean start it now?

When LiquiDex was run at .25 EOD the ED isn't it odd that this is even an issue?

[NoBulkNoCutJustGrow]

AR-R is out of aromasin, but they have Letro. What would the dosing be for those?

K Pin, when you say "continue into your PCT" do you mean start it now?

When LiquiDex was run at .25 EOD the ED isn't it odd that this is even an issue?

Hey Captn here is some info and an example regimen to follow using letro. Be very careful with letro brother, if you take too much don't expect anything in terms of libido for at least 2 weeks. That's why I went with aromasin and because my case of gyno was somewhat a precursor and not full blown Gynecomastia. Letro should be used IMO in acute cases but to each it's own, just be careful with the dosing. I would go below what this recommends and take it from there.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your post cycle therapy (pct) so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular post cycle therapy (pct).

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can***8217;t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into post cycle therapy (pct) and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

Hope it helps brother. Good luck.

[Captncavematt]

Thanks for the information. I was actually thinking Nolva or raloxifene for reversal, and the letro to stop it while on cycle or pre pct.

What would the proper dosage for letro or aromasin be on cycle?

If LiquiDex did not do the job at .25 ed should the dosage be increased? If so to what? Or switch to, or add letro or aromasin?

[devil-1986]

Thanks for the information. I was actually thinking Nolva or raloxifene for reversal, and the letro to stop it while on cycle or pre pct.

What would the proper dosage for letro or aromasin be on cycle?

If LiquiDex did not do the job at .25 ed should the dosage be increased? If so to what? Or switch to, or add letro or aromasin?

if you have aromasin take it 25 mg ed day split to 12.5 mg every 10 hours , morning and evening and with letro i read somewhere for every 200-250 mg injection of test you need 0.36 mg ed or 0.625 mg eod and do not exceed the dose for 1mg/day again with letro you need to blood work for e2 level because this can crash e2 dramatically