I read it.
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I read it.
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So, is your argument that unless you're trying to go pro, you have no legitimate reason to use steroids? Is this your supposition across all men or is your position directed solely towards the younger members?
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Ah, I see, and what is this decision based on other than an opinion?
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But if you are already an elite athlete, which by definition presumes you are already the best of the best, why would you need steroids? Unless a woman is going to be a top model, why would she need breast augmentation? Unless you are going to be a top doctor, why bother with best medical schools (why not settle for mediocracy)? Everyone has their own decision criteria for choosing to do what they do. Who are we to judge? It's one thing to potentially jeopardize your health when you're young and still undergoing maturation, but it's an entirely different thing for a man who's reached full maturity to consider recreational and RESPONSIBLE use of anabolics to achieve personal goals. Not everyone can or desires to be the best in their vocation but that doesn't preclude someone from wanting to achieve a personal best, be that physical fitness, career achievements or otherwise.Originally Posted by mm15
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Different to who? You? Well, that may be true, but someone else might have a different view or opinion.
I see what you are saying, but honestly, it doesn't matter. People are going to do what they want to do in life. No one can or should judge them. When its all said and done, it is their life and their life only.
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The only thing different in those two scenarios is the reason or rational argument. One is not more right than wrong. If someone aspires to move from collegiate to professional football and believes he needs steroids to achieve that goal, how is he any more right than the guy who feels recreational steroid use is justified to reach individual fitness/physique goals?
Age of course is relevant in the hypothetical paradigm you depicted. Many people here would advise anyone below the age of 25 to abstain from steroids and focus on diet and exercise. Many young men have tried to argue that steroids are necessary for their athletic aspirations. Many of us at one time or another believed we could be the next great athletic superstar - it's a boyhood dream for many. The reality is that very few actually make it to a pro level. As young men we emulate our athletic heroes and believe its easy to achieve stardom. Most however never fully realize that athletic dream and the addition of steroids does not guarantee success. In contrast, if someone truly is the best of the best without steroids, chances are, they are already on track to reach professional status.
Now, I'm not suggesting that professional athletes don't use anabolics - that would be a ridiculous assertion. I do however, caution the somewhat myopic assertion that steroids are necessary to turn an ordinary athlete into an extraordinary athlete and that somehow justifies anabolic cycling at a young age.
The bottom line.....the decision to use anabolics recreationally or professionally is a personal choice; a choice that's neither right or wrong - it's simply a choice. The caveat however is that when choosing to use anabolics, one must fully appreciate AND accept ALL potential risks and the reality is that many young men say they do, when in fact that's little more than their impetuous self looking for justification to use steroids with little real regard for the true risks.
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No, that difference exists in your own mind. The guy who wants to use it for recreational gain just as easily justifies it in his own mind.
Again, everyone has their own reasons and each and everyone of us can readily justify that decision in our own mind. No person is more right (or wrong) than the other.
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that doesnt even make .02 one guy does gear for what he wants the other guy takes gear for what he wants. Thats just how simple it is.
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What's your point?
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Follow his other post. It will become clear. Btw he's 19.
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Figures this was just another kid looking to justify steroid use.
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Hes 14 in the Lab. Kids got a killer cycle goin on....
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The lounge too
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Saw a few threads now.
Troll.
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He needs a stronger grip for all the jerking off he is doing now her turned 14
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Oh he will regret it one day soon lol
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There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.
I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.
I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
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AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.
Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.
Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.
TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.
Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.
Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development
DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.
No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.
This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.
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I could see this coming a mile away.
0.2% of high school seniors who are hopeful to make it to the NFL actually make it. Does that mean that young guys who do steroids rationalising that they are going to become NFL players are not only risking their endocrine systems, but are also inordinately bad at maths?
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