Second cycle advice

[programdude]

So I responded well in my first cycle to the standard 500 test E a week- put on around 25-30 pounds and still had time to shred at the end.
For my next cycle I want to go heavier to really fill in my genetic weaknesses.

I am thinking of upping test, what are recommended amounts since I responded great to that dose?

Second I am thinking of going with anadrol instead of dbol as a kickstarter for four weeks at the beginning.

Lastly since my goal is to really get bulk on certain weak spots, I am thinking I will go with tren, what kind/amounts should I run?

[fit2bOld]

More juice does not not mean more gains.
Keep the same 500 as it worked well and see how the anadrol goes.
I prefer it over dbol any day, but not more than the 4 weeks due to its liver toxicity.

[RangerDanger830]

What are your stats before and after this last cycle?

[programdude]

My stats were:

5 8 about 155 built torso, but my legs dont hold much mass.
got up to 183ish with some serious bloat etc obviously. Used clen and tightened diet up to get down to 174. Physique is just universally more filled out, only calves are seriously lacking.

Yes wasnt gonna do more than 4 on the anadrol. What should I run the tren at if I'm keeping the test at those levels? Should I really not up it a little bit?

[RangerDanger830]

My stats were:

5 8 about 155 built torso, but my legs dont hold much mass.
got up to 183ish with some serious bloat etc obviously. Used clen and tightened diet up to get down to 174. Physique is just universally more filled out, only calves are seriously lacking.

Yes wasnt gonna do more than 4 on the anadrol. What should I run the tren at if I'm keeping the test at those levels? Should I really not up it a little bit?

What about your age, BF%, lifting experience, and shoe size?

You shouldn't run Tren on your second cycle. As a matter of fact I wouldn't run a the first cycle yet if it were me talking to you back then. At 5'8'' and 155lbs, even if your BF was amazingly low, you had plenty of room to grow naturally and I wouldn't have recommended cycling to you just yet.

So what has happened here is in a short period of time, according to the info you are giving me, you have gained ~20lbs of muscle. This is a ton of muscle, do not be fooled. You most likely have seen an amazing increase in strength also in those few weeks. Now your muscles are doing just fine most likely but who is to say those tendons and ligaments will be fine also if you run another cycle, more powerful than the last, and put even more stress on them?
Your tendons and ligaments will strengthen as your muscles do, but they do not do so as fast.

I would make sure you give yourself the proper amount of time off so as to give your tendons and ligaments time to catch up to your muscles as well as your HPTA time to recover. I would also just stick with a regular test cycle like last time. If something works then there is no need to change it just yet. More is not always better with AAS. Even if you are bent on adding another compound, tren is not the answer in any case just yet.

[programdude]

I was probably 10-12 percent bf going in, just a guess though. I plan on being lower when I begin my next one.

I am 23, and yes I know it sounds like I had a lot of room to grow naturally, but my genetics favor being a twig, the fact I have gotten my torso to where it is now is shocking when considering genetics. And I wont lie about it, yes I started earlier than I would/should have if not for my career.

The reason I am keen on tren is to really take the physique to the next level. I am in an industry where how muscled I am can equate to tens of thousands more a month. Obviously I dont want to seriously do harm to myself, and intend to take a nice long time off to ensure recovery.

[RangerDanger830]

I was probably 10-12 percent bf going in, just a guess though. I plan on being lower when I begin my next one.

I am 23, and yes I know it sounds like I had a lot of room to grow naturally, but my genetics favor being a twig, the fact I have gotten my torso to where it is now is shocking when considering genetics.

The reason I am keen on tren is to really take the physique to the next level. I am in an industry where how muscled I am can equate to tens of thousands more a month. Obviously I dont want to seriously do harm to myself, and intend to take a nice long time off to ensure recovery.

You can't give me the excuse of genetics, I am a geneticist by trade and have grown up with a high metabolism most of my life as well, it is still plenty possible and fairly easy with the right knowledge and dedication. A test cycle can take your physique to the next level considering where you are right now. I am going to tell you to stay away from Tren.

[Buster Brown]

Would go with the drol or dbol as a kickstart and leave the tes at 500. Leave out the tren for now and focus on your diet. Good genetics or bad, diet is important to put on quality size. Tren will do nothing if diet isn't in check nor will the rest if your cycle for that matter.

[programdude]

My main concern about sticking test only, and not upping the ante somehow is that towards the end of the cycle the gains tapered off significantly. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my gains, just that I dont expect, or think anything close to those gains would be achieved by doing the same thing again.

And for the record I was eating ALOT to get those gains, so I certainly respect the role it plays.

[Back In Black]

Aren't you on PCT currently?

[RangerDanger830]

Well even if your gains did taper off, 20lbs of LBM is the best cycle you will ever see from here on out. The bigger you get, the slower it gets, test or not.

[fit2bOld]

Nothing you will do will ever top a well done first cycle.
Lots of points given here,no tren for sure diet is a must.
Good diet and training is key and as far as the juice goes less is more.

[Buster Brown]

My main concern about sticking test only, and not upping the ante somehow is that towards the end of the cycle the gains tapered off significantly. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my gains, just that I dont expect, or think anything close to those gains would be achieved by doing the same thing again. And for the record I was eating ALOT to get those gains, so I certainly respect the role it plays.

You may want to consider backloading if your cycle results start to diminish. I have done this with prop as well as an oral. It helped the last few weeks give me a boost in my training as squeeze as much as I could out of the cycle.