to use tren or not to use help needed?

[bjn08]

Hi guys I'm new to this forum.

This is my story so far

2 Years ago I started my first cycle being 12 week of boldenone test and dball,
After those 12 weeks I stopped for 6 weeks and went on another cycle of 8 weeks this time being test 2ml, mast 1ml, tren 1ml, win.

I remember I gained strength and weight in the first cycle, whilst on the second I kept on improving on the weight and burning fat.

I liked the idea of tren since it gave me roundness strength weight and cutting at the same time.. only thing I did not like as some reviews say are the temper and mostly the erection Problems.

Presently
Age; 25
Height 5'7
Weight 84 kg
Body fat % not sure maybe 15 %

After 2 years I would like to get back in shape, I do not want the extreme being super cut and gain a lot of muscle.
I would like to remain more or less the same weight just slight increase my muscle and shredd some fat.

I would like your opinions on the following.

I was thinking of doing a 10 week cylce consisting of two options:

option1:
1-10 weeks Sustanon test 2ml
1-10 weeks masterone 2ml
1-10 weeks winstrol tab


option 2:
1-10 weeks Sust test 2ml
1-10weeks masterone 2ml
1-5 weeks univeral trenbelone 1.5ml
1-10 weeks winstrol tab.

Obviously after all these I would be including my PCT
your opinions will greatly help.

thanks,

[Java Man]

Dosages vary widely per ml. '1ml' says nothing. Please give dosages in mg. Careful with tren. Yes, it is peerless for recomposition. It is also peerless in adverse effects on your health and in side effects. Get frequent bloodwork is my advice.

[bjn08]

thank's java man,

Tough I have not got any blood work recently since 2 years ago

I will post in mg:

Option 3:
1-6 weeks Mast 400mg per week
1-10 weeks sutanon 500mg per week
6-10 weeks tren 300mg per week
6-10 weeks mast 200mg per week
1-10 weeks win.

[Mordamir]

I have done a few diff cycles nandrolone did little but actually made my penis longer and harder....lol but that was it I only did 5 weeks to try it with test 500....... don't like deca.....had deca dick the whole time... I was doing 300 mg 2 times per week and 400 mg of test 400 2 times a week my friend said to do more test to counter but I still didn't like.... ,my fav... is
test 500 and tren 250 1cc of each 2wice per week.....was taking tamoxifen.... didn't like cause still got bumps so I am now on arimidex or anazstrozole 1/2 tab every other day and every now and then I may take a whole pill its only 1mg per pill much cheaper than tamoxifen...and it eliminates the estrogen from body so now I have larger testes which I hated the shrinkage and the arim... helps tons....your masterone dosage seems high but never done that.....so I don't know.... I know you want at least double test to tren ratio......or you can have tren dick...but everyone is diff.... deca was my dick knocker...some people have same issue with tren....so just trial and error..... tren has similar results as win... with less sides...... I don't know your body fat percentage...but if its low tren will be better cause more anabolic with less water retention.....

I hope this helps....this is from my exp......

another thing lots of people say tren has many bad sides all I know off is prolactin can get high wich I will do some blood work soon just to see...but I have had no problems and its my fav... also if you look at articles on this site about the profiles it doesn't list many negatives....I am curious to know what sides others have had.....

[Inkedsuperman56]

To Bjn08

Hi man im also new to this forum but im not able to post a thread any help??

[Mordamir]

what are you doing ????
just go under the category and create new thread... youre post is here!!! so it looks like its working to me.... sometimes it moves off screen if you have many other posts so you may have to look for it......
I still don't know how to look back at old posts....anyone know how to do this..................

[Inkedsuperman56]

Yea but everytime I try create a new thread all it says is new user with less than 25 posts cant use certain words?? Something about spam software But I haven't used any of those words happened 3 times in a row

[Chicagotarsier]

Solid intermediate Tren cycles will begin at 75mg every other day with 100mg every other day being far more common place. A good example of a solid off-season cycle might look like this:

Week 1-6 Dbol 50mg every day
Week 1-8 Trenbolone-Acetate 100mg every other day
Week 1-12 Testosterone-Enanthate or Cypionate 400mg-750mg per week (Depends on Individual Desire)

As for quality Tren cycles during a cutting period, quality examples might look like this:

Week 1-8 Testosterone-Enanthate or Cypionate 200-250mg every other day
Week 1-8 Equipoise 200mg every other day
Week 9-16 Trenbolone-Acetate 100mg every other day
Week 9-16 Testosterone Propionate 100-200mg every other day

[Chicagotarsier]

increased aggressive tendency // There is a lot on youtube about this. Basically says if you want to keep your relationship this is not the way to go lol.

night sweats // Swimming friend got these at week 2 point. He compares it to 100 dose of T3.

reduced aerobic performance // My swimming friend is using right now and it was VERY evident the reduced aerobic performance. Evident as to he could normally beat me by 10m in a 100m race. I beat him to the wall 3x in a row yesterday.

[Black]

Hi guys I'm new to this forum.

This is my story so far

2 Years ago I started my first cycle being 12 week of boldenone test and dball,
After those 12 weeks I stopped for 6 weeks and went on another cycle of 8 weeks this time being test 2ml, mast 1ml, tren 1ml, win.

I remember I gained strength and weight in the first cycle, whilst on the second I kept on improving on the weight and burning fat.

I liked the idea of tren since it gave me roundness strength weight and cutting at the same time.. only thing I did not like as some reviews say are the temper and mostly the erection Problems.

Presently
Age; 25
Height 5'7
Weight 84 kg
Body fat % not sure maybe 15 %

After 2 years I would like to get back in shape, I do not want the extreme being super cut and gain a lot of muscle.
I would like to remain more or less the same weight just slight increase my muscle and shredd some fat.

I would like your opinions on the following.

I was thinking of doing a 10 week cylce consisting of two options:

option1:
1-10 weeks Sustanon test 2ml
1-10 weeks masterone 2ml
1-10 weeks winstrol tab


option 2:
1-10 weeks Sust test 2ml
1-10weeks masterone 2ml
1-5 weeks univeral trenbelone 1.5ml
1-10 weeks winstrol tab.

Obviously after all these I would be including my PCT
your opinions will greatly help.

thanks,

So you haven't been working out for 2 years?

Just guessing on bodyfat usually means you are higher. People tend to guess they are lower than what they are. Post a pic up if you want a more accurate estimation. Or reference this pic.



If you can get a DEXA scan or a bod pod test, that would be much more ideal.

You mention nothing of using an aromatase inhibitor.

And most important, you mention nothing of your diet. Have you calculated your TDEE and your BMR? Do you have your macros set in place?

For your size and cycle experience, this cycle is overkill. I'm guessing you are relying on the drugs to do the work and not your diet.

[fit2bOld]

I have done a few diff cycles nandrolone did little but actually made my penis longer and harder....lol but that was it I only did 5 weeks to try it with test 500....... don't like deca.....had deca dick the whole time... I was doing 300 mg 2 times per week and 400 mg of test 400 2 times a week my friend said to do more test to counter but I still didn't like.... ,my fav... is
test 500 and tren 250 1cc of each 2wice per week.....was taking tamoxifen.... didn't like cause still got bumps so I am now on arimidex or anazstrozole 1/2 tab every other day and every now and then I may take a whole pill its only 1mg per pill much cheaper than tamoxifen...and it eliminates the estrogen from body so now I have larger testes which I hated the shrinkage and the arim... helps tons....your masterone dosage seems high but never done that.....so I don't know.... I know you want at least double test to tren ratio......or you can have tren dick...but everyone is diff.... deca was my dick knocker...some people have same issue with tren....so just trial and error..... tren has similar results as win... with less sides...... I don't know your body fat percentage...but if its low tren will be better cause more anabolic with less water retention.....

I hope this helps....this is from my exp......

another thing lots of people say tren has many bad sides all I know off is prolactin can get high wich I will do some blood work soon just to see...but I have had no problems and its my fav... also if you look at articles on this site about the profiles it doesn't list many negatives....I am curious to know what sides others have had.....

This is a classic example of how not to cycle. Haphazard use of products. No plan to control estrogen and trying to clean it up after the fact.
There is no reason whatsoever to have deca dick, controlling estrogen from the start of the cycle is key. Deca starts to kick in about week five.

Op tren is also a 19nor and estrogen management is necessary. But as asked are just getting back to the gym
After 2 years? If so forget the AAS and do it natural

[bjn08]

Hi thank you so much for your input so far.

I stopped hardcore gym two years ago although I did a year of boxing training and this year I also went to the gym around 3 - 4 times a week.
although I stopped for 3 months and started going to the gym again last week,

As far for diet nutrition I'm doing the following.

meal 1: two protein muffens approx : 36g protein and 40g carb
meal 2: meat balls and sweet potato : 36 grams protein 46g carbs
Meal3: chicken breast and brown rice: 36 grams protein 46 carbs
Meal5: Jocca cheese and some brown bread with Jam: around 15-20 g protein and 30g carbs
meal6: Protein Whey 2 scoops : 45g protein.
meal 7: either fish chicken meat + rice or whole meal bread ( Do not calculate but not a very big portion.

Also there are pictures of me 2 years ago and present picture.


Hope this gives you better insight

[kelkel]

This is a classic example of how not to cycle. Haphazard use of products. No plan to control estrogen and trying to clean it up after the fact.
There is no reason whatsoever to have deca dick, controlling estrogen from the start of the cycle is key. Deca starts to kick in about week five.

Op tren is also a 19nor and estrogen management is necessary. But as asked are just getting back to the gym
After 2 years? If so forget the AAS and do it natural

X2. As I was reading this thread I was hoping someone chimed in with all the above....

[Red Bastard]

I have done a few diff cycles nandrolone did little but actually made my penis longer and harder....lol but that was it I only did 5 weeks to try it with test 500....... don't like deca.....had deca dick the whole time....

Do you even know that Deca IS Nandralone?

[fit2bOld]

Probably shrunk his nuts and he thought his dick was bigger

[Bert]

Hi thank you so much for your input so far.

I stopped hardcore gym two years ago although I did a year of boxing training and this year I also went to the gym around 3 - 4 times a week.
although I stopped for 3 months and started going to the gym again last week,

As far for diet nutrition I'm doing the following.

meal 1: two protein muffens approx : 36g protein and 40g carb
meal 2: meat balls and sweet potato : 36 grams protein 46g carbs
Meal3: chicken breast and brown rice: 36 grams protein 46 carbs
Meal5: Jocca cheese and some brown bread with Jam: around 15-20 g protein and 30g carbs
meal6: Protein Whey 2 scoops : 45g protein.
meal 7: either fish chicken meat + rice or whole meal bread ( Do not calculate but not a very big portion.

Also there are pictures of me 2 years ago and present picture.


Hope this gives you better insight

Your were jacked.

[bjn08]

Dante any more insights,
I gave my diet and pictures what do you think
Should I use tren or stay of it?

[fit2bOld]

Get yourself back in shape first bro