Mathmaticly speaking

[technodrome]

Hi

I have done plenty of searching this forum and learned a lot. But my specific question in regards to TRT didn't precisely show up in a search.

I am 34 years of age.

Speaking about testosterone levels only

HRT specialist tested me at 450 dg/nl


I told her to be generous with her prescription and get me up to the 750 range to start with. She gave 125mg test cyp per week (i'll split into two doses)

Now the pamphlet that comes with the test cyp says in studies, 200 mg of the test cyp raised patients levels from 350 median range to 1350 and it slowly tapered off

200 mg yielded a raise of 1000 additional ng/dl

So

So mathematically speaking wouldn't 100 mg raise a patients levels by 500dg/nl.. Leaving me with 950ng/dl (500 points above my current level of 450)

The big question is..... Since the test subjects were only tested while they still had some natural test production, wouldn't those levels drop once natural production halted leaving them with only the exogenous test???

I could if the numbers are correct, with 125mg per week end up with levels in the 1075 range while my natural production is intact. Now, Months later with no natural production i'd be at 625 plus zero... total of 625.. Probably not worth a lifetime commitment to only see a raise from 450 to 625...

Or will I maintain some natural production??? HCG is an option but reading about it frequently over the years I've been left witht he impression HCG shouldn't be taken forever.....

I have not started the TRT yet as i'm still checking up on the doctors and making sure I get the best information....

Any Thoughts??

[bullshark99]

I respect/appreciate your honking due diligence but it doesn't work mathamaticly that way. 125 a good starting point, give it a try and titrate up if need be.

[bullshark99]

Honkning... Spell check. Thinking and

[hawk14dl]

Doesn't work that way. Some people can run 500s @100mg a week and jump to the 800s on 125. I personally went from 390 to 590 on 100mg and hcg.

It's not linear

[technodrome]

Sure.. Human chemistry is far to complex to set a golden rule and calculate the anticipated results precisely.

Do most men on TRT maintain some or any natural production?? Also doctors seem to be recommending HCG as a lifetime thing now days in my neck of the woods... Any thoughs on that??

[hawk14dl]

I'm on hcg and as far as I can tell, will be for life.

As far as natural test, I'm sure we retain some. Can't verify that however

[2Sox]

If you take exogenous T, you body's own production of testosterone is shut down - period. You make no more T. The only way to maintain some endogenous production is to inject hCG - for life. Or you could skip that and live with stones the size of M&Ms, a scrotum the size of pre school boy's, and orgasms so weak you might miss them.

Hawk is correct. It is not possible to mathematically extrapolate where your levels will be based on dosage. It's totally trial and error based on the individual. (Free T is a better indicator of health and well being, but since total T is often spoken of, let's start there.) One man will feel like superman on 750 and another will not even feel okay at the same number. For example, I do better with total T numbers above 950 and I'm a "senior". Again, it's all individual and you'll just have to find out through your own experimentation with dosing.

[Beethoven]

If you take exogenous T, you body's own production of testosterone is shut down - period. You make no more T. The only way to maintain some endogenous production is to inject hCG - for life. Or you could skip that and live with stones the size of M&Ms, a scrotum the size of pre school boy's, and orgasms so weak you might miss them.

Hawk is correct. It is not possible to mathematically extrapolate where your levels will be based on dosage. It's totally trial and error based on the individual. (Free T is a better indicator of health and well being, but since total T is often spoken of, let's start there.) One man will feel like superman on 750 and another will not even feel okay at the same number. For example, I do better with total T numbers above 950 and I'm a "senior". Again, it's all individual and you'll just have to find out through your own experimentation with dosing.

2sox is correct. Once you start exogenous test, your body's production will stop. The HCG will just keep your testicles from shrinking. The big question is how do you feel? If you're at 450 you are still producing, maybe HCG alone can do the trick. I know of a couple of guys who have gotten their levels up to the 600's with HCG alone. Have you had labs done? You should post your complete labs with ranges and you will get much better feedback on your situation.

[kelkel]

Remember HCG by itself is suppressive of your pituitary over time. Since it mimics LH production your body senses it does not need to produce it any further.

[Beethoven]

Remember HCG by itself is suppressive of your pituitary over time. Since it mimics LH production your body senses it does not need to produce it any further.

Wouldn't that still be preferable to trt? He would still use HCG even on trt most likely. Just asking..

[kelkel]

HCG Mono, like Crisler says, does not give the subjective benefits that T therapy does. I don't see the point in it personally. That said, some seem to do ok on HCG Mono or Clomid.

[Beethoven]

Yes. This is definitely not a one size fits all. Seems to work for some. Didn't for me though.