First cycle advice please!!

[gorog25]

Hello guys,

I am planning to start the Novice Steroid Cycles I from the home page. My goal is to lose about 8-9% body fat, but keep my actual weight rising muscle mass.
I am 33 186 cm 91 kg and 17% body fat at the moment
My diet is pretty clear. I mean I eat all healthy stuff and loads of vitamins. I am not counting calories but the protein carb and fat ratio about 60/25/15
I am just finished a 12 week "clean" program and achieved a good transformation. I managed to keep my weight and lose 6% body fat already.
My questions is ,it is a good idea to include Anavar to this cycle? If it is.
How should I do that?
At what stage should I start and for how long?
What dosage? I thinking around 60-80mg a day.
Should I take the dose in a same time or is better to distribute during the day?

[David LoPan]

You do know that the "home page" are not real AAS?

[David LoPan]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html is a good place to start reading

[gorog25]

You do know that the "home page" are not real AAS?

I believe you talking about the banners in the home page!?
I am talking about the example cycle for beginners.
(Novice Steroid Cycles I)
Test-E 500mg for 12 weeks
D-Bol 25mg for the first 6 weeks
13-14 weeks break
Than 40mg Nolvadex for two weeks and 20mg on the last week

[Buster Brown]

i would try to get your BF down a little bit more naturally. If you are at 16% and want to lose 8-9% more then that would would be quite a tough feet to accomplish on one cycle.

[Buster Brown]

I believe you talking about the banners in the home page!?
I am talking about the example cycle for beginners.
(Novice Steroid Cycles I)
Test-E 500mg for 12 weeks
D-Bol 25mg for the first 6 weeks
13-14 weeks break
Than 40mg Nolvadex for two weeks and 20mg on the last week

you arent going to cut on dbol. That cycle that you have outlined is more of a bulking cycle.

[gorog25]

i would try to get your BF down a little bit more naturally. If you are at 16% and want to lose 8-9% more then that would would be quite a tough feet to accomplish on one cycle.

I feel that my body is stopped responding at this stage. I do not want to lose all 8% with one cycle. My main reason is I would like much more power and strength. So I can work with bigger weights and I might able to to do longer HIIT exercises.
I believe I did well in the firs twelve weeks, but here is the time to push it even further. I know it is possible to achieve this in natural with a good diet. But I would like fast result. I believe 1 cycle must have a very good affect on my training. So it should help me to achieve my goals faster. That is why most people thinking about AAS.

[gorog25]

Yes I know my plan is not really a cut but not bulking either. I like to call transformation. That is what I did previously. I kept my body weight and lost body fat

[gorog25]

you arent going to cut on dbol. That cycle that you have outlined is more of a bulking cycle.

Yes I know my plan is not really a cut but not bulking either. I like to call transformation. That is what I did previously. I kept my body weight and lost body fat
What would you prefer? Take test-e with Anavar?

[gearbox]

you cant do both. you can lose and gain muscle at the same time. Some lose some fat and get stronger so they think they are gaining all this muscle. you are either eating at a calorie restriction, maintenance, or surplus. So you need to decide what you want to do at 17% you need to learn to eat better imo. so you can really enhance your gains or keep muscle on when cutting. food is anabolic remember

[gorog25]

you cant do both. you can lose and gain muscle at the same time. Some lose some fat and get stronger so they think they are gaining all this muscle. you are either eating at a calorie restriction, maintenance, or surplus. So you need to decide what you want to do at 17% you need to learn to eat better imo. so you can really enhance your gains or keep muscle on when cutting. food is anabolic remember

I do not really want to arguing a knowledgeable member, but I think I did exactly that in the past twelve weeks. I might wrong but tell me how you cal this.
When a start training again I was 89 kg with 26% body fat. after 12 weeks I am 91 with 17% body fat. My carbs was on maintenance level the fat was under maintenance level and the protein was more than bulking level. I did bulking program 4 times a week with two droop down sets after every exercise. I included HIIT training 15 mins 3 times a week and 1 hour swimming on rest days.
I called this transformation because it is ,from my point of view.
How do you call that? What cycle you can recommend with this type of training to achieve best results.
I need more power and good fat burning stuff.

[londonchavez]

Maybe a better idea,
1-12 test e 500 mg per week
1-4 anadrol 50 mg per day
4-12 var 50 mg per day

Anadrol is better for cutting than dbol. You will still get somewhat bloated depending on diet and if you have an AI, for example arimidex. Anadrol will give you great strength and make you lose your appetite BAD. Lol remember though that adrol is very liver toxic and you really need some milk thistle/liv-52 and something for your kidneys. I've had some problems in the past with that. Trust me, just get those. Lol

Also, your PCT is week man. Nolva only is not enough. Can you get hold of Hcg?

[4linked]

You can cut or bulk on any compound even dbol its all up to your diet

[gorog25]

Maybe a better idea,
1-12 test e 500 mg per week
1-4 anadrol 50 mg per day
4-12 var 50 mg per day

Anadrol is better for cutting than dbol. You will still get somewhat bloated depending on diet and if you have an AI, for example arimidex. Anadrol will give you great strength and make you lose your appetite BAD. Lol remember though that adrol is very liver toxic and you really need some milk thistle/liv-52 and something for your kidneys. I've had some problems in the past with that. Trust me, just get those. Lol

Also, your PCT is week man. Nolva only is not enough. Can you get hold of Hcg?

Yes hcg should not be a problem. I just do not want to use hard stuff at the first time. Test is not bad and var is the less toxic as far as I know, but dbol and anadrol hmm I do not know...
I need to find the less harmful cycle with a good results.

[gorog25]

You can cut or bulk on any compound even dbol its all up to your diet

You right mate that what I thought.All about training and diet and AAS gives the required power

[londonchavez]

You probably won't get matching results with lighter compounds. Dbol and drol are kind of like magical pills. Lol but... Have you thought about trying eq.? It's very light and the results are steady. You could do a test, eq, and var cycle. With a strict diet and good training, you can see some great results with those compounds.

[Mr. Small]

First cycle should be Test only, but surely you should focus on diet to lose fat.

It would be very interesting to hear what would happen if you tried to cycle while dieting on first cycle.

[gorog25]

You probably won't get matching results with lighter compounds. Dbol and drol are kind of like magical pills. Lol but... Have you thought about trying eq.? It's very light and the results are steady. You could do a test, eq, and var cycle. With a strict diet and good training, you can see some great results with those compounds.

What is eq.? How should that cycle look like? What abut test and var only? How should that cycle look like, if that possible?
I was thinking test only as Mr. Small mentioned, because it should give me the extra power and strength I need, but I would like to include var because it good effect on weight loss.
I am not worried about my diet I think it good. The loss of 9% body fat with in 3 month proof it.

[gorog25]

First cycle should be Test only, but surely you should focus on diet to lose fat.

It would be very interesting to hear what would happen if you tried to cycle while dieting on first cycle.

as soon as I figured out what should be my first cycle. I will keep you updated if you like. Definitely I will do it on diet. I do not wanna go over 98 kg

[londonchavez]

First off, your diet is important. You can lose weight without a diet when you are very heavy but the fact that you already lost a lot of weight means it will be harder to lose weight without proper dieting. Why eat somewhat lean when you can maximize your gear and calculate everything to get the very best results?
Also,
For all those who want to increase the size their chest and biceps or are preparing for awaited bodybuilding competitions, Equipoise can be a good addition to their stack. Equipoise is an injectable anabolic steroid and its chemical name is Boldenone Undeclynate. Equipoise is mainly used by bodybuilders and weightlifters as it is a well-known bulking agent that increases your body mass. However, the drug is traditionally use as a supplement for horses.

One can also buy Equipoise under various other trade names, such as Ganabol, Equigan and Ultragan. The drug is mainly used because of its steady and gradually mass increasing characteristic. As it does not cause much water retention, Boldenone Undeclynate is also quite effective in improving vascularity.

The basic nature of Equipoise includes features of two. First it is as anabolic as testosterone, and second it acts as an androgenic steroid. In comparison with other mass building steroids like Deca, Equipoise gains can be dissapointing. But you can rely on Equigan in terms of strength gains and vascularity.

If you desire that lean muscular figure then the drug is an ideal choice to be a part of your steroid cycle. One important thing about Boldenone Undecylenate is that it can be used in both the ways. In other words to say, if you want to use the drug with other stronger androgenic steroids then it will be a valuable bulking agent or if you want to use Equipoise as a stand alone steroid or with Winstrol then also it acts as an excellent cutting agent.

But before you start it, let's check with some of its useful effects. Boldenone Undeclynate is mainly preferred over other steroids because it has various health benefits for its users. Because of its slow conversion rate to estrogen (aromatization), the drug does not have any estrogenic side effects and that's why athletes usually take it up to 1 gram per week. Second, there is no occurrence of virilization symptoms with this steroid. So, female athletes can use it without any fears.

A cycle would look like this
1-10 test e 500 mg per week
Week 1-10 eq. 400 mg per week
1-8 Var 50 mg per day

Test and var only would look same but without the eq.

[gorog25]

It so strange. Why people still saying that losing fat and gain muscle mas is not possible?
What do you need to gain muscle mass?
You need to feed your muscle with quality protein and you need energy from carbs and fat. Everyone knows, that supplements out there what help your body to free up stored body fat and use it as energy.
So how can you lose fat and gain muscle in a same time?
Eat protein like when you bulking, but keep carbs and fat on or below maintenance level. Whit the right supplement for example L-Carnitine you can free up some extra energy from your stored fat.
That way you have no chance to gain fat but you likely able to gain muscle mass and burn fat in a same time. Off course you need a proper training routine too.
BUT IT IS POSSIBLE!!
I am not an expert and I might wrong, but I am talking from my own experience. The muscle mass you are gain in this way and the fat you are losing is permanent. It works well. I just want to try this idea on gear. it should work much batter.
I do nor really wanted to talk about nutrition and diet because I have my own plan to do that and it works well for me.
What I would like is some help to set up my first cycle. i would like to know how should I use test-E with var. I think is a good composition for my goals, but I do not know at which point of my cycle should include var and for how long. Or if it a completely wrong idea I would like to know why and I would love to hear a batter option.

[gorog25]

First off, your diet is important. You can lose weight without a diet when you are very heavy but the fact that you already lost a lot of weight means it will be harder to lose weight without proper dieting. Why eat somewhat lean when you can maximize your gear and calculate everything to get the very best results?
Also,
For all those who want to increase the size their chest and biceps or are preparing for awaited bodybuilding competitions, Equipoise can be a good addition to their stack. Equipoise is an injectable anabolic steroid and its chemical name is Boldenone Undeclynate. Equipoise is mainly used by bodybuilders and weightlifters as it is a well-known bulking agent that increases your body mass. However, the drug is traditionally use as a supplement for horses.

One can also buy Equipoise under various other trade names, such as Ganabol, Equigan and Ultragan. The drug is mainly used because of its steady and gradually mass increasing characteristic. As it does not cause much water retention, Boldenone Undeclynate is also quite effective in improving vascularity.

The basic nature of Equipoise includes features of two. First it is as anabolic as testosterone, and second it acts as an androgenic steroid. In comparison with other mass building steroids like Deca, Equipoise gains can be dissapointing. But you can rely on Equigan in terms of strength gains and vascularity.

If you desire that lean muscular figure then the drug is an ideal choice to be a part of your steroid cycle. One important thing about Boldenone Undecylenate is that it can be used in both the ways. In other words to say, if you want to use the drug with other stronger androgenic steroids then it will be a valuable bulking agent or if you want to use Equipoise as a stand alone steroid or with Winstrol then also it acts as an excellent cutting agent.

But before you start it, let's check with some of its useful effects. Boldenone Undeclynate is mainly preferred over other steroids because it has various health benefits for its users. Because of its slow conversion rate to estrogen (aromatization), the drug does not have any estrogenic side effects and that's why athletes usually take it up to 1 gram per week. Second, there is no occurrence of virilization symptoms with this steroid. So, female athletes can use it without any fears.

A cycle would look like this
1-10 test e 500 mg per week
Week 1-10 eq. 400 mg per week
1-8 Var 50 mg per day

Test and var only would look same but without the eq.

I have not noticed your post when I post mine. Thanks for the advice.

[gearbox]

you are basically starting from scratch and you want aas already. it is not recommended. it will actually hurt you more then help you long term cause you do not have a solid base or even close to your genetic potential.
reason why ppl say you cant build mass and lose at the same time because it is true to a degree. meaning you can do a slowwwww build or slowww cut and it makes ppl think they are doing both.
your results have been good to far cause you are starting out. yes you can gain strength and lose fat (cause you have lots to lose) but are you building muscle mass if at a calorie restriction no. maintenance calories maybe? your body will change a great deal the first 2-3 years of consistent diet and training.

your not close to your genetic potential is why you will not hold onto your gains if you took aas. if we all could gain 15lbs of muscle every year and still be shredded then everyone that lifts would be walking around at 300+ lbs at low bf%

if you want good true advise then continue your training and work out hard and eat right and build a foundation so you can one day jump on.

the advise above to run test eq and var is absolute garbage. you should never mix compounds your first time. you need to know how your body responds to test and if you have issues then you know exactly what compound is causing you problems and easier to control estro. so many reasons
best of luck..

[gorog25]

you are basically starting from scratch and you want aas already. it is not recommended. it will actually hurt you more then help you long term cause you do not have a solid base or even close to your genetic potential.
reason why ppl say you cant build mass and lose at the same time because it is true to a degree. meaning you can do a slowwwww build or slowww cut and it makes ppl think they are doing both.
your results have been good to far cause you are starting out. yes you can gain strength and lose fat (cause you have lots to lose) but are you building muscle mass if at a calorie restriction no. maintenance calories maybe? your body will change a great deal the first 2-3 years of consistent diet and training.

your not close to your genetic potential is why you will not hold onto your gains if you took aas. if we all could gain 15lbs of muscle every year and still be shredded then everyone that lifts would be walking around at 300+ lbs at low bf%

if you want good true advise then continue your training and work out hard and eat right and build a foundation so you can one day jump on.

the advise above to run test eq and var is absolute garbage. you should never mix compounds your first time. you need to know how your body responds to test and if you have issues then you know exactly what compound is causing you problems and easier to control estro. so many reasons
best of luck..

Thanks Gearbox. I hoped I did not hurt your feelings with my respond to your last post.

Actually I changed my mind regarding mixing compounds and I will stick to test for sure, but I think I should give you a little beckground about my self. Maybe you will understand why I would like to use aas.
I do training since age 21 I know a lot about nutrition and diet. I am a little bit lied in my post and you will understand why in a minute.
I have done one cycle around age 23 (Test. Boldenone, deca)I KNOW IT WAS TO EARLY! Anyway my body was responded well I was 105kg with 10% body fat I loved it.

The age of 27 and 2 years later I had bone marrow than a stem cell transplant caused by ALL positive leukemia. So I have lost everything what I was worked for in my whole life. Maybe you can imagine all the effects of full body radiation and huge amount of chemotherapy. I lost my appetite, strength, look and gain huge amount of fat because I cannot eat proper food. I had problem to swallow things and I could keep saying more and more, but it not applicable any more. So I reborn two times and my blood changed two times, that is why I talking about first cycle in my post.

When I start training 5 mouths ago I was 78 with 28% body fat and I was not able to lift even the bar in the gym and could not walk 10 minutes continuously.

Anyway, now I can manage to train 6 times a week I gained 13 kg and reduce my body fat to 17%. All this with good diet plan and hard training
, but the extra power and the reduced recovery time and the so much good effect of test, what you guys already know. I think it could benefit for me. I need all those things for a batter results. Actually that is why ppl use aas. BATTER RESULTS!! Isn't it?

My doctors already confirmed that high level of test on my body cannot cause the leukemia to relapse.( this type of leukemia could relapse any time anyway. It genetic) I always say If I have to die, I wanna die with a nice strong body Of course they mentioned all the general risks like water retention, hair loss and all those things, but I was accepted those risks already when a thatched aas at the first time.

I think If I give a try for a test cycle it should not harm my body, but It could highly improve my strength, appetite, quality of life and also could give me some mental positivism.

[Red Bastard]

What the heck is it with these sample "First Cycles", in the stickies??!!
So many noobs get the wrong impression from them. Someone needs to edit, or delete that BS!

TEST ONLY!

Longer ester, 400mg-500mg per week, for 10-12 weeks. .25mg Adex, every other day. Standard Nolva/Clomid PCT....

That is all. End of story!
Am I right?

Edit: add HCG, at 250mg twice per week, for faster recovery, if you can.

[gearbox]

Thanks Gearbox. I hoped I did not hurt your feelings with my respond to your last post.

Actually I changed my mind regarding mixing compounds and I will stick to test for sure, but I think I should give you a little beckground about my self. Maybe you will understand why I would like to use aas.
I do training since age 21 I know a lot about nutrition and diet. I am a little bit lied in my post and you will understand why in a minute.
I have done one cycle around age 23 (Test. Boldenone, deca)I KNOW IT WAS TO EARLY! Anyway my body was responded well I was 105kg with 10% body fat I loved it.

The age of 27 and 2 years later I had bone marrow than a stem cell transplant caused by ALL positive leukemia. So I have lost everything what I was worked for in my whole life. Maybe you can imagine all the effects of full body radiation and huge amount of chemotherapy. I lost my appetite, strength, look and gain huge amount of fat because I cannot eat proper food. I had problem to swallow things and I could keep saying more and more, but it not applicable any more. So I reborn two times and my blood changed two times, that is why I talking about first cycle in my post.

When I start training 5 mouths ago I was 78 with 28% body fat and I was not able to lift even the bar in the gym and could not walk 10 minutes continuously.

Anyway, now I can manage to train 6 times a week I gained 13 kg and reduce my body fat to 17%. All this with good diet plan and hard training
, but the extra power and the reduced recovery time and the so much good effect of test, what you guys already know. I think it could benefit for me. I need all those things for a batter results. Actually that is why ppl use aas. BATTER RESULTS!! Isn't it?

My doctors already confirmed that high level of test on my body cannot cause the leukemia to relapse.( this type of leukemia could relapse any time anyway. It genetic) I always say If I have to die, I wanna die with a nice strong body Of course they mentioned all the general risks like water retention, hair loss and all those things, but I was accepted those risks already when a thatched aas at the first time.

I think If I give a try for a test cycle it should not harm my body, but It could highly improve my strength, appetite, quality of life and also could give me some mental positivism.

not a great situation but keep the positive attitude that you seem to exhibit.
sounds like you may want trt but that is not a walk in the park like some people try to portray it as. I still think you should build natty first or go on trt. I would discuss that with your doc.

[gorog25]

What the heck is it with these sample "First Cycles", in the stickies??!!
So many noobs get the wrong impression from them. Someone needs to edit, or delete that BS!

TEST ONLY!

Longer ester, 400mg-500mg per week, for 10-12 weeks. .25mg Adex, every other day. Standard Nolva/Clomid PCT....

That is all. End of story!
Am I right?

Edit: add HCG, at 250mg twice per week, for faster recovery, if you can.

I tried to edit, but cannot change the title. Admin feel free to do it if necessary.

OK test-e 500mg for 12 weeks that is for sure. HCG a day before test as far as I know, but about Arimidex how can you tell what should be the dose? You wrote 25mg eod it is fine.
I just read the description on the home page about it and it says the dose could be 0.5/eod to 1 mg /day. Is it depends on the amount of test or my body weight or it just an estimation?
About PCT.
It should star when all the compounds cleared up from my body. Usually about 2-3 weeks. Right?
Should I mix Clomid and Nolva? How can I identify the dose? Body weight? length of cycle? Amount of test?

[gorog25]

not a great situation but keep the positive attitude that you seem to exhibit.
sounds like you may want trt but that is not a walk in the park like some people try to portray it as. I still think you should build natty first or go on trt. I would discuss that with your doc.

Thank you.
trt is the other option. I will get my results next week some times, but I think I will be between the normal range, but trt and a 12 week cycle is a bit different anyway.

[gearbox]

I tried to edit, but cannot change the title. Admin feel free to do it if necessary.

OK test-e 500mg for 12 weeks that is for sure. HCG a day before test as far as I know, but about Arimidex how can you tell what should be the dose? You wrote 25mg eod it is fine.
I just read the description on the home page about it and it says the dose could be 0.5/eod to 1 mg /day. Is it depends on the amount of test or my body weight or it just an estimation?
About PCT.
It should star when all the compounds cleared up from my body. Usually about 2-3 weeks. Right?
Should I mix Clomid and Nolva? How can I identify the dose? Body weight? length of cycle? Amount of test?

you need to have pct ready and ai ready before your first pin.
ai at .25 eod is a good starting point. ifnipples get puffy or itch you may need to up the dose but your most likely good.
pct is 14 days after last pin and take nolva and clomid. no need to mix.
pct doses I like are
clomid 100/75/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20

[Buster Brown]

You can cut or bulk on any compound even dbol its all up to your diet

Have you succesfully cut with Dbol and what was your reason for choosing it?

[gorog25]

you need to have pct ready and ai ready before your first pin.
ai at .25 eod is a good starting point. ifnipples get puffy or itch you may need to up the dose but your most likely good.
pct is 14 days after last pin and take nolva and clomid. no need to mix.
pct doses I like are
clomid 100/75/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20

Yes I know I must order a huge complete package
That will be an other hard task specially in the UK!
So you said "take nolva and clomid. no need to mix." I do not really get this. Sorry maybe because of my English, but for me it means I mixing it if I am taking both. Or I just need to chose which of them I wanna use for 2 weeks?

[Buster Brown]

Yes I know I must order a huge complete package
That will be an other hard task specially in the UK!
So you said "take nolva and clomid. no need to mix." I do not really get this. Sorry maybe because of my English, but for me it means I mixing it if I am taking both. Or I just need to chose which of them I wanna use for 4 weeks?

You dont need to mix clomid and nolva together in order to take them. You can get them in pill form or liquid.

[gorog25]

OK I see. My English was the problem.
I used the wrong word. I did not meant to mix them together. I meant to use them in a same cycle, but now Gearbox answer much clearer