Would decca be worthless for me in this case?

[DFRELAT]

As you can see from my last thread here: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...d-yet-lol.html
I'm currently taking 250 tren E, 400 test E and 350 EQ every 3 days, my shoulders have been killing me for a couple of months now and even though I tried almost all I could think of, they are not coming back. I've been lifting heavy for years this is the first time I can't really bench and I only do ***** side laterals and easy stuff like that for shoulders nowhere close to my more usual shoulder workout like this:

Would decca help as it did to me in the past or because it's from the same family as tren, would barely do anything? Or should I drop the tren and start the decca right away instead? Or just get myself some decca right away? I know from experience that dianabol would help me, my joints always feel great when I'm on it but I'm big enough as it is and I'm sorta dieting now, don't need the extra weight.

[RangerDanger830]

If I had to guess after reading some of your posts I would venture to say your shoulder issue is due to your muscles outgrowing tendons/ligaments in strength. I think that seems plausible considering the strength of some of your cycles. If I am right then the only thing that would help is to take a break from cycling and let everything reach equilibrium.

[Buster Brown]

Deca may help you in the short run but what is going to help you after the cycle is over? Your aches will come right back probably even worse. I am 44 and going through the same problem (feels like bone on bone in my shoulders when I am pressing). The gentleman who owns my gym (power lifter who in the 80's just missed the cut for the olympics) suggested that I purposely change my workouts every 12 weeks regardless of progress in an effort to preserve my joints, etc. I have always lifted heavy but now I am facing some joint issues that cycling wont even correct and I am on trt. My routine now consists of the following in 12 week intervals: powerlifting, maintenance, bodybuilding, conditioning. It is one way of letting your body heal up while still challenging myself. Just my .02 cents on another way to look at it. Good luck.

[jdpeters]

Check out TB-500 from the sponsor website. Supposed to be good for joints. Started using it and my shoulders are feeling better. I am on a test deca cycle right now so won't know 100% till off cycle. Will still use the TB 500 off cycle though.

Good luck

JP

[Matt007]

Crazy man, 405 for shoulder press insane, great work man

[tice1212]

It sounds like to me that ur AC joint is probably torn... The only thing u can do for it is take off for 3-4 weeks... Ice it 20 mins the heating pad it for 40 mins... Do it 3 times a day.... But u are on cycle so u can take off... So when u do chest STAY AWAY FROM ANY BENCH PRESS MOVEMENTS! It will just make it worse. The best way to do chest with a AC problem is to do just fly exercises.... Im going to guess and say u didn't take a couple of days off before u start ur cycle. So ur body can fully recover.... I don't think any AAS or peptide is going to help it without rest... Good luck bro

[Times Roman]

follow the link in my signature to learn more about TB500

[DFRELAT]

If I had to guess after reading some of your posts I would venture to say your shoulder issue is due to your muscles outgrowing tendons/ligaments in strength.
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LOL, actually I'm big ***** now, I can't lift nowhere close to what I used to. When I was training for strongman years ago I would've done more than in that video and not on a smith machine for kids but on a real military press! So no I'm nowhere near what I can do and have done in the past. The strength of my cycles, are you kidding me, there's plenty of little weaklings in here half my size taking way more than I do!

I want advice from people who actually know shit, who lifted heavy and if possible have taken deca with tren in the past. Don't need advice from keyboard lifters who haven't done anything. I never injured myself while training it's always some dumb shit, this time my shoulder is ****ed since I went on vacation a few months back from sleeping with too small almost kiddie pillows. It's the first time ever that I have an injury that takes so long to go away. I have over 20 years of training and experience, I asked about deca because I don't know that one, everything you can do in the gym I pretty much did, not gonna waste my time writing it all down here but for example: I regularly change my grip, meaning I go more narrow or wider I vary alot, change the angles of the benches, stopped flat bench press and doing military presses for 2 months, went very light and high reps etc etc etc In fact I'm just gonna stop wasting my time here and try it myself, gonna order me some deca!

[Red Bastard]

Is it a joint issue, or could the problem be in your rotator cuff?

[krask028]

As Roman has suggested, I'd look into TB-500. I'm dealing with shoulder issues at the moment as well, however for me my shoulders feel good while training, but they get sore soon after I get home. I'm resorting to significantly dropping the weight and focusing on form and time under tension. If you watch some Kai Greene videos, he advocates exactly that. Lifting as heavy as possible is not the only way to develop a world class physique... however if your main goal is strength, then that is an entirely different story. Also, do you incorporate internal and external rotations into your workouts for rotator cuff strength. We tend to forget about the muscles that we can't see develop because their goal is not for aesthetics, but rather to support the larger muscles that you can physically see developing on a weekly basis.

[jdpeters]

Good luck with the Deca. Let us know...

[Buster Brown]

LOL, actually I'm big ***** now, I can't lift nowhere close to what I used to. When I was training for strongman years ago I would've done more than in that video and not on a smith machine for kids but on a real military press! So no I'm nowhere near what I can do and have done in the past. The strength of my cycles, are you kidding me, there's plenty of little weaklings in here half my size taking way more than I do!

I want advice from people who actually know shit, who lifted heavy and if possible have taken deca with tren in the past. Don't need advice from keyboard lifters who haven't done anything. I never injured myself while training it's always some dumb shit, this time my shoulder is ****ed since I went on vacation a few months back from sleeping with too small almost kiddie pillows. It's the first time ever that I have an injury that takes so long to go away. I have over 20 years of training and experience, I asked about deca because I don't know that one, everything you can do in the gym I pretty much did, not gonna waste my time writing it all down here but for example: I regularly change my grip, meaning I go more narrow or wider I vary alot, change the angles of the benches, stopped flat bench press and doing military presses for 2 months, went very light and high reps etc etc etc In fact I'm just gonna stop wasting my time here and try it myself, gonna order me some deca!

The funny thing about deca is that when cycling with it, your joints may feel much better as long as your gear is dosed correctly and is legit (whole other discussion). The problem I had with it is that after I got off cycle (I am on trt) my joints killed and made my shoulders worse. Flat bench and Barbell military are tough and agonizing and have had to make adjustments.

[RangerDanger830]

LOL, actually I'm big ***** now, I can't lift nowhere close to what I used to. When I was training for strongman years ago I would've done more than in that video and not on a smith machine for kids but on a real military press! So no I'm nowhere near what I can do and have done in the past. The strength of my cycles, are you kidding me, there's plenty of little weaklings in here half my size taking way more than I do!

I want advice from people who actually know shit, who lifted heavy and if possible have taken deca with tren in the past. Don't need advice from keyboard lifters who haven't done anything. I never injured myself while training it's always some dumb shit, this time my shoulder is ****ed since I went on vacation a few months back from sleeping with too small almost kiddie pillows. It's the first time ever that I have an injury that takes so long to go away. I have over 20 years of training and experience, I asked about deca because I don't know that one, everything you can do in the gym I pretty much did, not gonna waste my time writing it all down here but for example: I regularly change my grip, meaning I go more narrow or wider I vary alot, change the angles of the benches, stopped flat bench press and doing military presses for 2 months, went very light and high reps etc etc etc In fact I'm just gonna stop wasting my time here and try it myself, gonna order me some deca!

You dont have to get defensive, I wasn't criticizing you, just offering a hypothesis up there for you to consider. If you are implying I'm some keyboard lifter with no knowledge then please hold further insults as I have done five cycles that involved deca and am on my second with Tren.

[DAAS]

So you have cancer? I'd drop tren and use deca. Deca helps immune system tren is very harsh and has many other negative health effects. Since it does seem you're set on cycling. Honestly i don't see any goal someone cant reach with deca and test.

[Black]

You ask for advice and then you throw out insults. You're defensive and your attitude sucks. You have 20 years of training and experience, but ask basic questions about basic compounds. You surely haven't learned any manners in your life's journey.

[michael30]

Love the attitude!

[FONZY007]

I'm a TRT'er and use deca at times @100-150mg a week for joint pain relief, I stayed on that amount for 4-6 months at a time without issues... My joint pains where my shoulders as I had operations on both and for some reason my left one would ache like no tomorrow.. When I got off deca pain never came back...But don't ignore pain as it is a sign of something wrong..

Good luck

[Buster Brown]

You ask for advice and then you throw out insults. You're defensive and your attitude sucks. You have 20 years of training and experience, but ask basic questions about basic compounds. You surely haven't learned any manners in your life's journey.

Agreed^^^^^^^

[clarkey02]

Your shoulders hurt because you're too concerned about big cock weight rather than doing things right. I'll admit that's a lot of weight, but it's hardly 1/2 a rep. I see guys like you every day, walking around like hulk, slamming plates on the bar, then moving it 4-5 inches. Usually impressing someone like the pear shaped dude spotting you there.

Good form is more impressive than big weight, if you sacrifice range of motion or form like you do, nobody gives a shit because it's obviously too much for you or you'd do a full rep.

[FONZY007]

Your shoulders hurt because you're too concerned about big cock weight rather than doing things right. I'll admit that's a lot of weight, but it's hardly 1/2 a rep. I see guys like you every day, walking around like hulk, slamming plates on the bar, then moving it 4-5 inches. Usually impressing someone like the pear shaped dude spotting you there. Good form is more impressive than big weight, if you sacrifice range of motion or form like you do, nobody gives a shit because it's obviously too much for you or you'd do a full rep.

Lol big cock weight, I was at the age of 21 able to rep 465 with full range motion all the way up and down about inch from chest.. If I can go back I would... I'm happy at 315 these days..

[clarkey02]

Lol big cock weight, I was at the age of 21 able to rep 465 with full range motion all the way up and down about inch from chest.. If I can go back I would... I'm happy at 315 these days..

Yeah man, that's impressive. Even 225 is impressive with a proper rep. The OP's best set was his "warm up", which got close to 5 inches from the chest on a couple reps.

[RangerDanger830]

I used to care about weight in the beginning but I haven't maxed anything out in years. I just care about the mirror these days. I've never been big into competing anyway.

[tice1212]

Your shoulders hurt because you're too concerned about big cock weight rather than doing things right. I'll admit that's a lot of weight, but it's hardly 1/2 a rep. I see guys like you every day, walking around like hulk, slamming plates on the bar, then moving it 4-5 inches. Usually impressing someone like the pear shaped dude spotting you there.

Good form is more impressive than big weight, if you sacrifice range of motion or form like you do, nobody gives a shit because it's obviously too much for you or you'd do a full rep.

Well said....So true! Lmao

[kelkel]

I used to care about weight in the beginning but I haven't maxed anything out in years. I just care about the mirror these days. I've never been big into competing anyway.

Fun House Mirrors work best for me.

[RangerDanger830]

Fun House Mirrors work best for me.

I suppose it depends on whether it's the ones that make you thinner or fatter

[gonebluffn]

LOL, actually I'm big ***** now, I can't lift nowhere close to what I used to. When I was training for strongman years ago I would've done more than in that video and not on a smith machine for kids but on a real military press! So no I'm nowhere near what I can do and have done in the past. The strength of my cycles, are you kidding me, there's plenty of little weaklings in here half my size taking way more than I do!

I want advice from people who actually know shit, who lifted heavy and if possible have taken deca with tren in the past. Don't need advice from keyboard lifters who haven't done anything. I never injured myself while training it's always some dumb shit, this time my shoulder is ****ed since I went on vacation a few months back from sleeping with too small almost kiddie pillows. It's the first time ever that I have an injury that takes so long to go away. I have over 20 years of training and experience, I asked about deca because I don't know that one, everything you can do in the gym I pretty much did, not gonna waste my time writing it all down here but for example: I regularly change my grip, meaning I go more narrow or wider I vary alot, change the angles of the benches, stopped flat bench press and doing military presses for 2 months, went very light and high reps etc etc etc In fact I'm just gonna stop wasting my time here and try it myself, gonna order me some deca!

Tren always dries my joints out although its not recommended I usually run deca @ 200 mgs a week when on Tren.

[DFRELAT]

If you watch some Kai Greene videos, he advocates exactly that. Lifting as heavy as possible is not the only way to develop a world class physique... however if your main goal is strength, then that is an entirely different story.

Strenght and size have always been more important to me then aesthetics. I don't like it but I have to slack off the strength for a while and change the way I workout for some time. I have cancer and don't know how long I have. I've set myself some goals to achieve one of witch is to get back to a 5 plate or a 500lbs raw flat bench press. Seems crazy for many in here, but to me it is not, 10-12 years ago a 5 plate flat bench was just normal to me, I did that every week! But as you can see on my youtube page, in the 2011 batch of videos, I'm close but I didn't get it, I didn't know back then that I had the brain tumour eating me on the inside. I remember thinking at the time wtf is wrong with me? I'm taking more gear than I've ever taken before, train better, eat better and I can't get it? The two years gap in the videos, is from the chemo, radiotherapy and mentally picking myself up again. If I could push those 5 plates up again, I could really consider myself worthy again of the Hulk tattoo on my calf! I did 455lbs at the end of november, but who gives a shit about that, 5 plates or 500lbs now that has a nice ring to it. And the damn kiddie spotters can't keep their damn hands off, they have to follow the bar, wtf is up with that, they teach this in magazines now or something?

[jdpeters]

I find it interesting you have cancer, don't know how long you have left, and your concerned with benching 500lbs? Really? Well I don't know you, so maybe this is just a side thing in your life and you are spending time and effort with the things that are really important in life like God, family, your loved ones ect... Hope you recover and are happy with where you are at. Wish you luck!

[DFRELAT]

You ask for advice and then you throw out insults. You're defensive and your attitude sucks. You have 20 years of training and experience, but ask basic questions about basic compounds. You surely haven't learned any manners in your life's journey.

Yeah it's such a basic question that nobody has answered it yet lol

[DFRELAT]

Your shoulders hurt because you're too concerned about big cock weight rather than doing things right. I'll admit that's a lot of weight, but it's hardly 1/2 a rep. I see guys like you every day, walking around like hulk, slamming plates on the bar, then moving it 4-5 inches. Usually impressing someone like the pear shaped dude spotting you there.

Good form is more impressive than big weight, if you sacrifice range of motion or form like you do, nobody gives a shit because it's obviously too much for you or you'd do a full rep.

lol always fun to post in here, love the hating! I stop an inch off my chest because that's another thing you can do to save your shoulders. Guess none of you ever seen the Westside guys always using board presses and only actually touching their chest near a meet in a bench shirt to save their shoulders... I don't have any board presses so I just stop an inch shy of my chest. Range of motion my ass, watch the top 20 mr olympia's real training videos not the muslce and fitness magazine kinda shit and tell me how many actually use full range of motion! I have a bucket list of things to do before I die and flat benching 5 plates is one of many. Call me crazy, I like to set myself goals to achieve.

[Red Bastard]

Is it a joint issue, or could the problem be in your rotator cuff?

I'll ask again, because it sounds less like a joint issue, and more like a rotator cuff issue. Have you looked into this? If it's the cuff, Nandralone likely won't help....

Best wishes, for your fight with your cancer.

[David LoPan]

You are carrying around a lot of body fat. I guess its mass against mass for you and your goals. But tren, test and EP why not just put deca in there. You already have cancer so why not put more chems in your body.

I think its time to go on a diet and lay off the AAS for while. Either way, good luck

[DFRELAT]

I'll ask again, because it sounds less like a joint issue, and more like a rotator cuff issue. Have you looked into this? If it's the cuff, Nandralone likely won't help....

Best wishes, for your fight with your cancer.

Yes there is some rotator cuff issues also from many things but mainly frommy first surgery to have my colon removed with a J pouch afterwards, they said the shoulder probably got dislocated at some point or it was just bad placement of the arm during the 6 hour long surgery. In any case, I haven't been able to do seated dumbbell presses since then, my shoulder just gives in at a certain angle, I was 20. But I was still able to do a double with 425lbs on the seated barbell military press when I was doing strongman 10-12 years ago. My body has been really banged up over the years but at the same time I've gained mental toughness and can endure pain alot more then most. They've always hurt me since then but I've always been able to endure it, now it's just more then usual.

I've tried deca more than once and it's always helped. I'm only asking now because tren and deca are of the 19-nor family and I'm not sure what would be the proper route. Would pretty much all the receptors already be active from the tren leaving few left and adding deca would just then be a waste of money, or adding deca would take some of the receptors away from the tren, being just another type of waste, should I just drop all the tren right now and start the deca? Or can I go ahead and take both, the deca will act like it normally would. Was thinking IGF-1 and hgh but with the brain cancer, hgh might just make it worst and both of them are faked alot, rare and super expensive. You guys see where I'm going with this better now? I don't need gym advice I'm pretty much doing it all or tried it before. So tren and deca this is what I asked.

[Black]

As you can see from my last thread here: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...d-yet-lol.html
I'm currently taking 250 tren E, 400 test E and 350 EQ every 3 days, my shoulders have been killing me for a couple of months now and even though I tried almost all I could think of, they are not coming back. I've been lifting heavy for years this is the first time I can't really bench and I only do ***** side laterals and easy stuff like that for shoulders nowhere close to my more usual shoulder workout like this:

Would decca help as it did to me in the past or because it's from the same family as tren, would barely do anything? So something 'helped' in the past and you are asking random people if it will again? I don't think anyone can predict the future on here, sorry. Or should I drop the tren and start the decca right away instead? Or just get myself some decca right away? Random confusion. I know from experience that dianabol would help me, my joints always feel great when I'm on it but I'm big enough as it is and I'm sorta dieting now, don't need the extra weight. I've never heard of dianabol helping with joints, but again, if it worked last time....... Also, your diet will dictate weight gained and, to a degree, water retention.

Yeah it's such a basic question that nobody has answered it yet lol

In bold. Plus a couple other notes.

'Decca' as you call it, is actually Nandrolone. Decanoate is the ester. Yes, tren and 'decca' are both 19-nors, but are vastly different in functionality. They should not be compared.

Just curious. Seeing as you don't know basic terminology and such, why do you not approach advice with an open mind?

Also, I am confused. Clearly, as you state in every post or YouTube video, you had or have cancer. You've posted things such as "..I've beat cancer", but in this thread, you said that you have cancer. Did it come back? I know steroids don't cause cancer. But if you have cancer, wouldn't steroids and heavy physical exertion (lifting) have an impact on an already weakened body?

[Black]

Yes there is some rotator cuff issues also from many things but mainly frommy first surgery to have my colon removed with a J pouch afterwards, they said the shoulder probably got dislocated at some point or it was just bad placement of the arm during the 6 hour long surgery. In any case, I haven't been able to do seated dumbbell presses since then, my shoulder just gives in at a certain angle, I was 20. But I was still able to do a double with 425lbs on the seated barbell military press when I was doing strongman 10-12 years ago. My body has been really banged up over the years but at the same time I've gained mental toughness and can endure pain alot more then most. They've always hurt me since then but I've always been able to endure it, now it's just more then usual.

I've tried deca more than once and it's always helped. I'm only asking now because tren and deca are of the 19-nor family and I'm not sure what would be the proper route. Would pretty much all the receptors already be active from the tren leaving few left and adding deca would just then be a waste of money, or adding deca would take some of the receptors away from the tren, being just another type of waste, should I just drop all the tren right now and start the deca? Or can I go ahead and take both, the deca will act like it normally would. Was thinking IGF-1 and hgh but with the brain cancer, hgh might just make it worst and both of them are faked alot, rare and super expensive. You guys see where I'm going with this better now? I don't need gym advice I'm pretty much doing it all or tried it before. So tren and deca this is what I asked.

Receptors don't work that way. This competing for the same receptor garbage that has floated around seems utterly ridiculous. The biggest thing with using two 19-nors is an increase in progesterone levels. This can be controlled with basic estrogen control. Depending on dosages and individual sensitivity, taking something in addition to an AI for prolactin issues may be necessary (prami or caber).

[DFRELAT]

Receptors don't work that way. This competing for the same receptor garbage that has floated around seems utterly ridiculous. The biggest thing with using two 19-nors is an increase in progesterone levels. This can be controlled with basic estrogen control. Depending on dosages and individual sensitivity, taking something in addition to an AI for prolactin issues may be necessary (prami or caber).

If that was true you could just take more and more juice til' infinity! But it's not, the curve doesn't keep growing exponentially, at some point taking more just doesn't do anything, might actually go down because of all the extra side effects. Never said that I've beatten cancer I say cancer I WILL beat you, I say **** cancer. Besides there is no cure for cancer, all you you is remission periods, that shit is always there. I wrote decca, call the gestapo on me!

[David LoPan]

You have not put up how long your into your cycle and your asking if you should put more into it. I think you are going to do what ever you want to do no matter what we suggest

[DFRELAT]

I think I struck a throll hater cord with my video of me warming up on the shoulders with some of the people in here bench press or squat lol I remember a few years ago some people were giving me the same BS about proper form, touching the chest etc. There was one in particular in the powerlifting section saying all kind of bs to me and saying that he did a 580lbs raw bench, yet when I asked him to show me proper form with only 500lbs he could never do it lol For a guy who can really do that 500lbs is a walk in the park, something you can do anyday of the week. All the keyboard lifters in here were looking up to him as the resident stromgman and eating all his garbage! Same thing now lots talk the talk but none walk the walk! Put some videos up let me be the judge of how pathetic you really are! But of course that will never happen there will always be excuses, oh I don't have a camera, oh really? You mean you don't have a cell? None can lend you one for 5 mins to take a video? lol Heard all the BS excuses. Ronnie Coleman puts videos and a bunch of pussies give him the same crap lol Oh you should use proper form Ronnie lol and no before one of you says so I'm not comparing myself to Ronnie! He is the man! I once spent a whole weekend with the world's strongest men and it amazed me at how they were patient with all the little bastards giving them advice on training lol As if they needed your help, just shut the **** up already! lol

[Black]

Maybe you need to not use steroids. You sound like a pretty angry person and this is just the internet.

[Black]

If that was true you could just take more and more juice til' infinity! But it's not, the curve doesn't keep growing exponentially, at some point taking more just doesn't do anything, might actually go down because of all the extra side effects.

Yes, obviously with any drug there comes a point where the benefits are outweighed by the risks/side effects.

Your response about androgen receptors didn't amount to anything as far as what binds to them and what doesn't. I'd love to see a study backing what you claim.