I dont like Nigeria due to all the internet scams that originate there BUT...

[lovbyts]

Something needs to be done and quickly. I know a lot of people dont think we should be the world police but someone needs to step in and take control especially since it's the same terrorist we are already fighting.

300 teenage schoolgirls abducted.

Abubakar Shekau for the first time also claimed responsibility for the April 15 mass abduction, warning that his group plans to attack more schools and abduct more girls.

Shekau also said the students "will remain slaves with us." That appears a reference to the ancient jihadi custom of enslaving women captured in a holy war, who then can be used for sex

Boko Haram leader threatens to sell Nigerian schoolgirls taken in mass kidnapping | CTV News

[Euroholic]

What can be done? We cant recolonize it again. I have no sympathy for events in africa. This stuff was going on before european colonization and may even be worse now years after. They did not want us there building up a civilized society and increasing the locals standard of living. So apart from mass killings what can we do?

[lovbyts]

Lots of stuff have been going on all over the world before colonizing, that doesnt mean we have to allow things like this to happen. There are international laws against human trafficking and here is a blatant example of it where the abductors are not even denying it.

We as in the UN, joint forces need to seen troops over there and wipe out as many of these militant groups as we can. Forget the drone strike BS where you blow up innocent people also but boots on the ground.

Maybe it's not the best solution but something needs to be done but I'm sure we wont do anything in earnest until after 2016. I have great sympathy for the girls/kids who are being kidnapped, sold and killed.

[Euroholic]

Look i agree with you about troop deployments but it is not going to happen. This will be forgotten about by the west in a day.

Why 2016?

[AD]

Look i agree with you about troop deployments but it is not going to happen. This will be forgotten about by the west in a day.

Why 2016?

Election year?

[lovbyts]

Election year?

Yup. Hopefully get someone in who wont keep drawing imaginary lines in the sand.

[Honkey_Kong]

Something needs to be done and quickly. I know a lot of people dont think we should be the world police but someone needs to step in and take control especially since it's the same terrorist we are already fighting.

300 teenage schoolgirls abducted.

Abubakar Shekau for the first time also claimed responsibility for the April 15 mass abduction, warning that his group plans to attack more schools and abduct more girls.

Shekau also said the students "will remain slaves with us." That appears a reference to the ancient jihadi custom of enslaving women captured in a holy war, who then can be used for sex

Boko Haram leader threatens to sell Nigerian schoolgirls taken in mass kidnapping | CTV News

We need to do something. People are dying over the bullshit that's going on in the Ukraine, when what we should be doing is stopping shitbags like this guy.

And Euroholic, I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's right for us to sit back and enjoy the "good life," while there is evil like this going on in the world. We might not ever be successful in ending all the evils in Africa, but that's not a reason to sit back and allow shit like this to happen. Those school girls are somebody's daughters. How would you like it if this guy was kidnapping your daughter (if you had one)?

[Lunk1]

Rest assured. There is a Seal Team training for an OP "similar to this" lol

[lovbyts]

Rest assured. There is a Seal Team training for an OP "similar to this" lol

I can hear the sarcasm but really something needs to be done and soon, but I'm sure it wont except some political posturing.

They main guy (Abubakar Shekau) was also quoted in his video saying how not only the girls should not have an formal education but they need to be married by the age of 12. Basically as soon as their monthly visitor starts visiting they should become someone bride, bought and paid for. $12 seems to be the going price.

I think the first thing that needs done is to seek him (Abubakar Shekau) out and have a sniper put him down and then the next day do the same to whoever takes his place day after day until they get the message.

[Euroholic]

Im sorry but i still fail to see what we can even do here. The problem lies with the afs themselves. Change takes time and is very slow. This may take a thousand years. We tried to bring western civilization to the afs. They did not want us there so they can reap what they have sown. There governments are beyond corrupt not to mention unstable. They have millions of starving people yet there population is booming. They cant feed them selves yet they keep having more children. And the way they treat is others is insane. I've seen nothing more violent than a black african on another black african. And there are many who believe sex with a virgin girl cures hiv.

Africa is full of resources as far as i can see it is just wasted potential. How can we help people who don't want to help them selfs? They need to break from the warlord theory.

[Euroholic]

Just herd on the radio. The americans are sending advisers to help the nigerians. Might be your seals lunk?

[lovbyts]

Im sorry but i still fail to see what we can even do here. The problem lies with the afs themselves. Change takes time and is very slow. This may take a thousand years. We tried to bring western civilization to the afs. They did not want us there so they can reap what they have sown. There governments are beyond corrupt not to mention unstable. They have millions of starving people yet there population is booming. They cant feed them selves yet they keep having more children. And the way they treat is others is insane. I've seen nothing more violent than a black african on another black african. And there are many who believe sex with a virgin girl cures hiv.

Africa is full of resources as far as i can see it is just wasted potential. How can we help people who don't want to help them selfs? They need to break from the warlord theory.

And this is why we need to offer the education just like those 300 girls were getting so this does not continue.

They may not want to accept our Western way of life and that's fine. I dont think most cultures should and love diversity but there is nothing wrong with giving those who want it a choice and opportunity without forcing it on everyone.

There is something that can be done and should. We don't have to push our culture or way of life on them to help protect or be humanitarian. I'm sure even though they may not want to become westernized they also do not wan extremist militant groups coming in and forcing them to give up what little resources, way of live and children.

Not everyone can simply help themselves due to their living situation such as extreme poverty with no resources or education system. Yeah a lot of it is the governments fault but until the people become educated enough to have a voice it wont change.

Either way people like Abubakar Shekau and his followers simply need put down like a rabid dog no questions asked.

[Chicagotarsier]

In Chicago in one weekend 200-300 people are shot with unregistered weapons. Due to the way the police calculate the statistic it comes to around 20-40 people.

In Chicago every week 30 children under the age of 1 are abducted and NEVER found.

We have our own mess to clean up at home before we worry about someone else. From firsthand experience in Nigeria I can tell you 300 school girls missing is the least of the issues in that country. Ask how many people were outright killed when the oil pipeline was being built there...right at 800 a day for over 3 years. If the people did not want to move they were shot on sight.

Why should we send boys...to fight a war...African boys should be fighting....

In a nutshell the whole of Africa has ZERO civil pride. If you built them a city of gold it would be in shambles within a week. You cannot help those that cannot be helped. Evolution has a little thing called Darwinism. They will evolve or disappear. Right now the USA is going backward and is a very good example of how....

You go from being the top of the education ladder (Muslim Africa was back in the day) to eating each other in the streets.


I pitty them but my front porch takes priority over theirs.

[Chicagotarsier]

WAY too busy taking the oil across Nigeria to even give a care to upset that agreement in place. Politics will not allow it. BP owns those rights and currently the USA is the lapdog of Big Oil.

And this is why we need to offer the education just like those 300 girls were getting so this does not continue.

They may not want to accept our Western way of life and that's fine. I dont think most cultures should and love diversity but there is nothing wrong with giving those who want it a choice and opportunity without forcing it on everyone.

There is something that can be done and should. We don't have to push our culture or way of life on them to help protect or be humanitarian. I'm sure even though they may not want to become westernized they also do not wan extremist militant groups coming in and forcing them to give up what little resources, way of live and children.

Not everyone can simply help themselves due to their living situation such as extreme poverty with no resources or education system. Yeah a lot of it is the governments fault but until the people become educated enough to have a voice it wont change.

Either way people like Abubakar Shekau and his followers simply need put down like a rabid dog no questions asked.

[Euroholic]

And this is why we need to offer the education just like those 300 girls were getting so this does not continue.

They may not want to accept our Western way of life and that's fine. I dont think most cultures should and love diversity but there is nothing wrong with giving those who want it a choice and opportunity without forcing it on everyone.

There is something that can be done and should. We don't have to push our culture or way of life on them to help protect or be humanitarian. I'm sure even though they may not want to become westernized they also do not wan extremist militant groups coming in and forcing them to give up what little resources, way of live and children.

Not everyone can simply help themselves due to their living situation such as extreme poverty with no resources or education system. Yeah a lot of it is the governments fault but until the people become educated enough to have a voice it wont change.

Either way people like Abubakar Shekau and his followers simply need put down like a rabid dog no questions asked.

Your probbaly right as useual. But indoctrination will take a long time

[lovbyts]

Your probbaly right as useual. But indoctrination will take a long time

Indoctrinate later, terminate with extreme prejudice the kidnappers.

I just though of the perfect solution. Forget the seal team or special forces.
Tell me if you dont think they would go in there and take care of business in a hurry under the circumstances.

[ppwc1985]

The US SOF been in West Africa for along time, pretty much always been doing things there. The regular public will never know everything that takes place all over the world. A lot things get stopped that never make the news. It's not only US forces either that participate in the secret operations that take place. We work with a lot different allied country's. But yes I heard we are doing something that has made the news, trust me they was already there. Yes they need to eradicate these kind terrorist, but the chances of that is slim. There is to much hate in the world.

[Black]

In Chicago in one weekend 200-300 people are shot with unregistered weapons. Due to the way the police calculate the statistic it comes to around 20-40 people.

In Chicago every week 30 children under the age of 1 are abducted and NEVER found.

We have our own mess to clean up at home before we worry about someone else. From firsthand experience in Nigeria I can tell you 300 school girls missing is the least of the issues in that country. Ask how many people were outright killed when the oil pipeline was being built there...right at 800 a day for over 3 years. If the people did not want to move they were shot on sight.

Why should we send boys...to fight a war...African boys should be fighting....

In a nutshell the whole of Africa has ZERO civil pride. If you built them a city of gold it would be in shambles within a week. You cannot help those that cannot be helped. Evolution has a little thing called Darwinism. They will evolve or disappear. Right now the USA is going backward and is a very good example of how....

You go from being the top of the education ladder (Muslim Africa was back in the day) to eating each other in the streets.

I pitty them but my front porch takes priority over theirs.

*like* and agree.

So many things I'd like to voice, but I'm taking a break. My blood pressure has been 116/64 lately and I'd like to keep it that way.

[lovbyts]

*like* and agree.

So many things I'd like to voice, but I'm taking a break. My blood pressure has been 116/64 lately and I'd like to keep it that way.

I understand what you guys are saying but no one is talking about trying to reform a country and if they are that's just stupid. We have proven many times that doesnt work and you are right they more you give the more people will take, take advantage of and not appreciate what they have.

We need to help with basic education, basic tools so they can build and maintain their own infrastructure on a very basic level. I'm not talking roads and highways. I'm talking about cheap easy to build and maintain wells for irrigation and drinking water and let them go from there but also help them live without the fear of whole towns being slaughtered.

Yes we have our own problems and yes kids go missing every day but we do at least TRY to do something about it, there they really have no help. I have no doubt there is a lot we don't hear about and we have not done much about in the past. That does not mean we should continue to just ignore it.

The more these extremist militant groups are allowed to do the more they will grow and the more they will put everyone at risk.

[Docd187123]

I understand what you guys are saying but no one is talking about trying to reform a country and if they are that's just stupid. We have proven many times that doesnt work and you are right they more you give the more people will take, take advantage of and not appreciate what they have.

We need to help with basic education, basic tools so they can build and maintain their own infrastructure on a very basic level. I'm not talking roads and highways. I'm talking about cheap easy to build and maintain wells for irrigation and drinking water and let them go from there but also help them live without the fear of whole towns being slaughtered.

Yes we have our own problems and yes kids go missing every day but we do at least TRY to do something about it, there they really have no help. I have no doubt there is a lot we don't hear about and we have not done much about in the past. That does not mean we should continue to just ignore it.

The more these extremist militant groups are allowed to do the more they will grow and the more they will put everyone at risk.

Evil only begets more evil. Im not sure how best to proceed to fix this situation but I agree with you that something should be done. Like Spider-man's grandpa said, with great power comes great responsibility. Having the power to address these atrocities and not acting on it is being no better than those who perpetrate the shit to begin with.

[lovbyts]

Evil only begets more evil. Im not sure how best to proceed to fix this situation but I agree with you that something should be done. Like Spider-man's grandpa said, with great power comes great responsibility. Having the power to address these atrocities and not acting on it is being no better than those who perpetrate the shit to begin with.

Well said

[Times Roman]

Something needs to be done and quickly. I know a lot of people dont think we should be the world police but someone needs to step in and take control especially since it's the same terrorist we are already fighting.

300 teenage schoolgirls abducted.

Abubakar Shekau for the first time also claimed responsibility for the April 15 mass abduction, warning that his group plans to attack more schools and abduct more girls.

Shekau also said the students "will remain slaves with us." That appears a reference to the ancient jihadi custom of enslaving women captured in a holy war, who then can be used for sex

Boko Haram leader threatens to sell Nigerian schoolgirls taken in mass kidnapping | CTV News

too many countries do not financially support their fair share of the world's policing activities. We cannot continue to borrow money from others (eg. china) so we can finance our military.

I'm sorry. Shit happens. At some point, we need to face economic reality and stop bankrupting this country. There will always be another sob story.

[Times Roman]

maybe we could set up covert funding through the UN and hire mercs to do our dirty work?

oh wait! we already do that to a certain extent.

Hey, I know. We should annex the whole world, put the poor on welfare, put all the terrorists in jail (@ $30k/year for warehousing costs), increase NSA's budget 100%, triple the labor force for TSA, guarantee the safety of the whole world, and shit on the next generation by letting them pay the bill?

Sorry LB, apparently, I'm in "one of those moods"

---Roman

[Docd187123]

too many countries do not financially support their fair share of the world's policing activities. We cannot continue to borrow money from others (eg. china) so we can finance our military.

I'm sorry. Shit happens. At some point, we need to face economic reality and stop bankrupting this country. There will always be another sob story.

maybe we could set up covert funding through the UN and hire mercs to do our dirty work?

oh wait! we already do that to a certain extent.

Hey, I know. We should annex the whole world, put the poor on welfare, put all the terrorists in jail (@ $30k/year for warehousing costs), increase NSA's budget 100%, triple the labor force for TSA, guarantee the safety of the whole world, and shit on the next generation by letting them pay the bill?

Sorry LB, apparently, I'm in "one of those moods"

---Roman

IMO, this is creating a false dichotomy. There is a middle ground, it doesn't have to be one extreme or another. Another option is to stop bankrupting the country on worthless crap and the money saved would be put to better use in cases such as this.

[Times Roman]

IMO, this is creating a false dichotomy. There is a middle ground, it doesn't have to be one extreme or another. Another option is to stop bankrupting the country on worthless crap and the money saved would be put to better use in cases such as this.

but think about it. when does the government ever save money and put it to better use? when does the government really ever do what it says it will do?

in the beginning, we were told no one would ever be pulled over for not wearing seat belts. So what happened to that promise?

we voted in a 10billion bond in California for a high speed rail system. it's been ten years. Where's the high speed rail system?

restraint is something the government is just not very good at. How many bridges to nowhere have we built just to create jobs?

In my opinion, we either need to decide to do a thing or not. Middle ground with our government is a very dicey game, and most of the time we simply go overboard.

Anyone have any idea what the NSA budget is? Or the budget for TSA?

We have 2 million people behind bars right now. if the average warehousing cost per inmate is $30k/year (is that right?), then a quick thumbnail calculation tells me this costs taxpayers like me $60,000,000,000 per year. Yes, that's sixty billion dollars. Why does our prison population keep growing? is it because people are becoming more evil? or is it because our government is out of control and is influenced by the corrections industry?

We have the most expensive military in the world. So tell me why is the world becoming a more dangerous place?

Sorry, when you put a child in a candy shop filled with candy by himself, and tell the child to only take one candy bar, do you really expect that child to only take one candy bar? this is our government, and they get to help themselves to our money and there is little we can do about it.

Restraint? Don't bet your ass on it!

[Black]

I understand what you guys are saying but no one is talking about trying to reform a country and if they are that's just stupid. We have proven many times that doesnt work and you are right they more you give the more people will take, take advantage of and not appreciate what they have.

We need to help with basic education, basic tools so they can build and maintain their own infrastructure on a very basic level. I'm not talking roads and highways. I'm talking about cheap easy to build and maintain wells for irrigation and drinking water and let them go from there but also help them live without the fear of whole towns being slaughtered.

Yes we have our own problems and yes kids go missing every day but we do at least TRY to do something about it, there they really have no help. I have no doubt there is a lot we don't hear about and we have not done much about in the past. That does not mean we should continue to just ignore it.

The more these extremist militant groups are allowed to do the more they will grow and the more they will put everyone at risk.

Oh don't get me wrong, I totally understand where you are coming from. These world events just work me up in general.

[Times Roman]

I'm out on this one. our government's stupidity and total lack of economic regard for our children's future makes me angry.

[Docd187123]

but think about it. when does the government ever save money and put it to better use? when does the government really ever do what it says it will do?

in the beginning, we were told no one would ever be pulled over for not wearing seat belts. So what happened to that promise?

we voted in a 10billion bond in California for a high speed rail system. it's been ten years. Where's the high speed rail system?

restraint is something the government is just not very good at. How many bridges to nowhere have we built just to create jobs?

In my opinion, we either need to decide to do a thing or not. Middle ground with our government is a very dicey game, and most of the time we simply go overboard.

Anyone have any idea what the NSA budget is? Or the budget for TSA?

We have 2 million people behind bars right now. if the average warehousing cost per inmate is $30k/year (is that right?), then a quick thumbnail calculation tells me this costs taxpayers like me $60,000,000,000 per year. Yes, that's sixty billion dollars. Why does our prison population keep growing? is it because people are becoming more evil? or is it because our government is out of control and is influenced by the corrections industry?

We have the most expensive military in the world. So tell me why is the world becoming a more dangerous place?

Sorry, when you put a child in a candy shop filled with candy by himself, and tell the child to only take one candy bar, do you really expect that child to only take one candy bar? this is our government, and they get to help themselves to our money and there is little we can do about it.

Restraint? Don't bet your ass on it!

I agree with you to an extent TR. The gov does shoot itself in the foot and wastes money in unimaginable proportions. But does that mean 300 young woman should suffer? Does it mean we shouldn't help another human being who needs our help when it is within our power to help? Should hose women just be sold off to sexual slavery bc we can't control our spending in other areas? This is my opinion but I do not see how it's possible to not help those who cannot help themselves. I've out myself in dangerous situations to help those less fortunate knowing full well it could have been my last. Should I not have helped bc I was busy and had obligations that day? I was watching as a 6ft something giant of a man was closed fist punching a pregnant woman in her face then kicked her with steel toed boots when she was laying on the ground unconscious. I could not imagine what it would have been like for her as she laid there completely helpless. Should the police not have came and arrested the man bc of our irresponsible monetary spending when they could have been going after actual murderers or rapists?

[lovbyts]

I'm out on this one. our government's stupidity and total lack of economic regard for our children's future makes me angry.

I have no doubt our or most any government would screw up any good intentions. I just has seeing nothing being done when time is critical.

[Shol'va]

Just herd on the radio. The americans are sending advisers to help the nigerians. Might be your seals lunk?

Euro advisors is usually code for CIA

[Euroholic]

Euro advisors is usually code for CIA

You don't know that. Who is better trained/suited for recon/tracking sf or cia? I would say sf. Army special forces would be in there element its a classic mission for them. Work with the locals to seek out and close with militia.

[Shol'va]

You don't know that. Who is better trained/suited for recon/tracking sf or cia? I would say sf. Army special forces would be in there element its a classic mission for them. Work with the locals to seek out and close with militia.

Correct I don't know for sure. I'm not in the loop nor will I be. But I'm just going on past instance where the term special forces was used to describe CIA and just drew my own conclusion that it was so in this case as well. But you are right I don't know. But my guess is as good as the next guys no? As far as who is better trained? They both are. We have some mighty bad azz CIA in our camp just like Great Briton has SIS MI6

[Shol'va]

No matter the case I hope the girls are found alive and well no matter what countries' forces get the job done. It would be awesome if all countries and groups could get along for a change but as long as religion is in the mix and some groups take a religion and twist it to suit their own evil agendas there will always be wars and strife...IMO

[David LoPan]

Correct I don't know for sure. I'm not in the loop nor will I be. But I'm just going on past instance where the term special forces was used to describe CIA and just drew my own conclusion that it was so in this case as well. But you are right I don't know. But my guess is as good as the next guys no? As far as who is better trained? They both are. We have some mighty bad azz CIA in our camp just like Great Briton has SIS MI6

A lot of field agents in the CIA were formally in the military special forces. The US cant send in troops due to US laws on sending in troops but can send in the CIA. They have special people for all different types of missions.

[David LoPan]

I can say I know a guy from my military days that was a Ranger and Path Finder in the Army. After the first gulf war he went to a couple of SF schools and when he finished he was "discharged" from the Army. This guy is a special type of crazy MF and speaks 4 or 5 languages and is an expert in EOD and a few other areas. I ran into him a few years back and he still works for the US Government. He is the type of guy that would have no problem doing anything to anyone for no reason at all. I had a beer with him and his two friends and they really gave me "these are special guys" and I need to move along after one beer. If he didn't work for the government he would be in prison somewhere for killing someone.

[songdog]

Rest assured. There is a Seal Team training for an OP "similar to this" lol

I was thinking the same thing bro.

[songdog]

I don't care how its done.But I would love to see that picks head on a stick.Only after he died a slow death.Say 10 dayz and we get too watch the video.

[David LoPan]

I don't care how its done.But I would love to see that picks head on a stick.Only after he died a slow death.Say 10 dayz and we get too watch the video.

The story that had me leave after a beer was about a couple of guys they had started with the finger nails and finished with given a neck tie after they stuck his frank and beans in his mouth when they got what they wanted out of him. Sick stuff. There are people out there that think this is normal and water boarding is BS.

[Honkey_Kong]

I don't care how its done.But I would love to see that picks head on a stick.Only after he died a slow death.Say 10 dayz and we get too watch the video.

I wouldn't say I'm for killing this guy. I don't think two wrongs make a right. I do want us to capture him and put him on trial. Life in prison with him being in the hole and no commissary will suffice. It'll give him plenty of time to think about what he's done.

[lovbyts]

I wouldn't say I'm for killing this guy. I don't think two wrongs make a right. I do want us to capture him and put him on trial. Life in prison with him being in the hole and no commissary will suffice. It'll give him plenty of time to think about what he's done.

Life in prison is fine as long as its under 6 ft of concrete flooring.