Test Prop/Tbol Results

[buckeyefootball4]

It's been awhile since I last posted. Lately I have been helping a close friend train etc and would like to share some results from his past 6 week cycle.

For all you guys who think you need large amounts to get decent results my friend is living proof.

He's a speed power athlete so his goals are slightly different from most.

Goals:
Increase strength, speed, and power.
Increase the ability to recover from workouts

Training:
Mon: Sprints,Jumps,Mb toss,Squats, Bench, Rev Lunges, Tricep ext
Tue: Tempo runs 2x6x100 with abs
Wed: Sprints, Jumps, Mb toss, Cleans, Clean pull, Rdl, Chinups
Thur: Tempo runs 2x6x100 with abs
Fri:Sprints, Jumps, Mb toss, Front squat, Stepups, Push press, Hypers

Diet:
M-W-F Typical day
Meal 1 (Immediatley at wakeup) Hot Green Tea, 2 TBSP of Coconut Oil
Meal 2 (Pre Training)-Whey Protein Shake
Meal 3 (During Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with chocolate milk, banana
Meal 4 (Post Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with water, banana
Meal 5 (1-2 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 6 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 7 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Carbs, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 8 (Bedtime, optional)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake, banana

Tue/Thur typical day
Meal 1 (Immediatley at wakeup)-Hot Green Tea, 2 TBSP of Coconut Oil
Meal 2 (Pre Training)-Whey Protein Shake
Meal 3 (During Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with chocolate milk, banana
Meal 4 (Post Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with water, banana
Meal 5 (1-2 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 6 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 7 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 8 (Bedtime, optional)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats

Sat/Sun:
Meal 1 (Immediately at wakeup)-Hot Green Tea, 2 TBSP of Coconut Oil
Meal 2 (3 hours after wakeup)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 3 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 4 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 5 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 6 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving

6 week Cycle:
Test prop: 200mg per wk
Tbol: 210mg per wk
Nolva: 10ed on cycle

Pct:
wk 1, 100 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 2, 50 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 3, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva
wk 4, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva

End Result 6wks
Increase bw: +5
Increase sq: 75lbs
Increase bp: 20lbs
Increase BJ: +6
30m time: 3 tenths

[buckeyefootball4]

All comments and questions are welcome.

[tice1212]

what were ur stats before u started and now what r ur stats? Weight, Bf%? Also any sides from the tbol?

[buckeyefootball4]

The athlete before/after:

Before:
6'2 245 legit 11% bodyfat

After
6'2 250 9-9.5% bodyfat

Not sure why he would have issues with tbol, but no he didn't have any issues with tbol he's very comfortable with this compound.

what were ur stats before u started and now what r ur stats? Weight, Bf%? Also any sides from the tbol?

[Darrenmck]

Would green tea not flush the gear out?

[buckeyefootball4]

He once done a test prop, tren ace, and winstrol cycle in the past and wanted to do the same this time but I convinced him that tren ace wasn't needed. I think for team sports (football, basketball, baseball, T/f) athletes there's not much need for high amounts or strong compounds like tren ace.

[buckeyefootball4]

Would green tea not flush the gear out?

I never heard of that but the options were green tea or coffee.

[Darrenmck]

I was just wondering cause a friend of mine said that milktissle flushes out oxymetholone but I've read up on it and it doesn't. Also read that tren acetate is not good for cardio fitness or sports because it reduces cardio

[Athlete127]

Love tbol but almost want to say that lose of dose was pointless. 30mg ed? I have never heard of anyone (male) ever doing under 40.. It's usually that and above.

[buckeyefootball4]

I was just wondering cause a friend of mine said that milktissle flushes out oxymetholone but I've read up on it and it doesn't. Also read that tren acetate is not good for cardio fitness or sports because it reduces cardio

Remember he's a speed/power athlete not a endurance athlete. Also with him using low amounts he never exp most of the neg side effects that most people do.

[buckeyefootball4]

Love tbol but almost want to say that lose of dose was pointless. 30mg ed? I have never heard of anyone (male) ever doing under 40.. It's usually that and above.

Never pointless, find what works best for you and stick with it. No need to use 40 when 30 does the job. Go back and read some of the East germans articles their track and field athletes wasn't taking huge amounts of tbol. Been doing this for some time and always use the smallest amount possible because we are not powerlifters, weightlifters, strongman, or bodybuilders. No vanity training, everything is built for speed, power, and recovery.

[Darrenmck]

I'm going to start a corse with test 400 tren acetate and anadrol would you say they will be good? ..

[buckeyefootball4]

Thoughts: Which one would have been better on cycle 10mg ed of nolva or .5 adex e3d?

Also he didn't have any issues/pain with the test prop, he did mess around with grapeseed and cotton oil with the test. No, he didn't use both oils at the same time.

[buckeyefootball4]

I'm going to start a corse with test 400 tren acetate and anadrol would you say they will be good? ..

That's some strong shit. What's your goals?

[Athlete127]

Never pointless, find what works best for you and stick with it. No need to use 40 when 30 does the job. Go back and read some of the East germans articles their track and field athletes wasn't taking huge amounts of tbol. Been doing this for some time and always use the smallest amount possible because we are not powerlifters, weightlifters, strongman, or bodybuilders. No vanity training, everything is built for speed, power, and recovery.

Just saying I had a friend who used 30 and bumped to 50. Made world's difference. I find it hard to believe 30mg of tbol made that much of a difference. But who knows.

[buckeyefootball4]

Just saying I had a friend who used 30 and bumped to 50. Made world's difference. I find it hard to believe 30mg of tbol made that much of a difference. But who knows.

You guys have to understand that AAS isn't the key, your diet and training must be on point. Like I said if your goal is to gain 30lbs then 30mg of tbol may not do that but if your goal is speed/power/recovery 30mg is plenty.

That's the problem in our country everyone wants it faster and more. Gotta learn to slow cook the process. If you were training a group of middle school athletes you wouldn't use the most advance tech, you would start out with bodyweight exercise then slowly progress over the years.

Most people should probably only use test their first 2 years while slowly increasing the amount over that 2yrs.

[Darrenmck]

Strength , and mostly size , my first cycle was just anadrol and my second was test400 and tren acetate but my diet wasn't good so this will be my third cycle and I no a lot more on diet so would you say they will go well together? And what would I need for for when the corse is finished?

[buckeyefootball4]

Strength , and mostly size , my first cycle was just anadrol and my second was test400 and tren acetate but my diet wasn't good so this will be my third cycle and I no a lot more on diet so would you say they will go well together? And what would I need for for when the corse is finished?

With your history, to be honest i probably would drop tren and anadrol. How much test/tren/anadrol were you taking and how was your diet and training - let see examples.

[Darrenmck]

My first cycle was anadrol 1 tab a day for a week then 2 tabs a day for the rest of the corse during the cycle my diet wasn't that good eating takeaways and other crap. Didn't put much size on but my strength was good. My second cycle was just tren and test 1ml of each on Monday and Thursday my work out consist of just super sets and dead lifts but again my diet wasn't great because I lacked nolage now I no exactly what to eat and when . Oh I was taking 1ml of each Monday and Thursday for 5 weeks

[buckeyefootball4]

Before we started the 6 wk cycle:

Diet was the same as above

Training was similar as above but sets of 10 with 60-90sec rest. Hypertrophy Block

Supp: Vit, fish oil, Protein, zma, creatine(2-5gms on training days)

This phase prepared the body for the upcoming block of training.

[buckeyefootball4]

My first cycle was anadrol 1 tab a day for a week then 2 tabs a day for the rest of the corse during the cycle my diet wasn't that good eating takeaways and other crap. Didn't put much size on but my strength was good. My second cycle was just tren and test 1ml of each on Monday and Thursday my work out consist of just super sets and dead lifts but again my diet wasn't great because I lacked nolage now I no exactly what to eat and when .

Too be honest I wouldn't touch any AAS for the first 8 weeks. I would get the training and diet in order along with protein,zma,fish oil, creatine for the 8 weeks. After this 8 wks prep phase i would probably lean towards test prop 300-500mgs and tbol 40-50mgs.

Tbol for 6 weeks
Test prop 8 weeks

* these drugs won't do anything if your diet/training isn't right. i really think most people should stay on just test for the first 2 years starting at 200mg per wk and slowly working up to 400-500mg over 2yrs.

[Darrenmck]

Thanks bro. That's exactly what I've been doing but as I said my diet wasn't grate meaning food wise , I take fish oils protein shakes and cretine just didn't no how many meat, greens etc and I should be eating. But if I get my diet spot on would you say them 3 would be any good for me? I was thinking of taking the same amount 1ml of test and tren Monday and Thursday and for the first week just one tab of anadrol then up it to 2 a day when I get into the second week.

[Darrenmck]

What's block of training?

[buckeyefootball4]

What's block of training?

Block = phase. 4 week phase etc.

[buckeyefootball4]

Thanks bro. That's exactly what I've been doing but as I said my diet wasn't grate meaning food wise , I take fish oils protein shakes and cretine just didn't no how many meat, greens etc and I should be eating. But if I get my diet spot on would you say them 3 would be any good for me? I was thinking of taking the same amount 1ml of test and tren Monday and Thursday and for the first week just one tab of anadrol then up it to 2 a day when I get into the second week.

Im not a fan of anadrol, too strong/toxic. I personally think anadrol+tren is asking for trouble.....

[Darrenmck]

You could be rite , what if I use dbol instead of anadrol?

[buckeyefootball4]

You could be rite , what if I use dbol instead of anadrol?

I like neither. Why do you like anadrol/dbol - don't see this point?

[human project]

It's been awhile since I last posted. Lately I have been helping a close friend train etc and would like to share some results from his past 6 week cycle.

For all you guys who think you need large amounts to get decent results my friend is living proof.

He's a speed power athlete so his goals are slightly different from most.

Goals:
Increase strength, speed, and power.
Increase the ability to recover from workouts

Training:
Mon: Sprints,Jumps,Mb toss,Squats, Bench, Rev Lunges, Tricep ext
Tue: Tempo runs 2x6x100 with abs
Wed: Sprints, Jumps, Mb toss, Cleans, Clean pull, Rdl, Chinups
Thur: Tempo runs 2x6x100 with abs
Fri:Sprints, Jumps, Mb toss, Front squat, Stepups, Push press, Hypers

Diet:
M-W-F Typical day
Meal 1 (Immediatley at wakeup) Hot Green Tea, 2 TBSP of Coconut Oil
Meal 2 (Pre Training)-Whey Protein Shake
Meal 3 (During Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with chocolate milk, banana
Meal 4 (Post Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with water, banana
Meal 5 (1-2 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 6 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 7 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Carbs, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 8 (Bedtime, optional)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake, banana

Tue/Thur typical day
Meal 1 (Immediatley at wakeup)-Hot Green Tea, 2 TBSP of Coconut Oil
Meal 2 (Pre Training)-Whey Protein Shake
Meal 3 (During Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with chocolate milk, banana
Meal 4 (Post Training)-Whey Protein Shake mixed with water, banana
Meal 5 (1-2 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 6 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 7 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 8 (Bedtime, optional)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats

Sat/Sun:
Meal 1 (Immediately at wakeup)-Hot Green Tea, 2 TBSP of Coconut Oil
Meal 2 (3 hours after wakeup)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 3 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 4 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving
Meal 5 (2-3 hours later)-Whey/Casein Protein Shake w/ added fats
Meal 6 (2-3 hours later)-Meats, Fats, Large Veggie Serving

6 week Cycle:
Test prop: 200mg per wk
Tbol: 210mg per wk
Nolva: 10ed on cycle

Pct:
wk 1, 100 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 2, 50 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 3, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva
wk 4, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva

End Result 6wks
Increase bw: +5
Increase sq: 75lbs
Increase bp: 20lbs
Increase BJ: +6
30m time: 3 tenths

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned to pull some of the shakes and add more real food.. Three food meals doesn't seem like near enough... 5-6 food meals with two shakes is pretty standard no matter what your fitness goals... At first you may have to drop your portions dramatically to be able to still train with full intensity but less food per meal is fine as long as your still getting the appropriate amount of meals.

[buckeyefootball4]

It's been working for 3 years now, let's take a look at the high intensity day meals m-w-f. We never eat breakfast, it's the most overrated meal of the day. Shakes before/during/after training he can always sub in food for the preworkout meal but it has to be 90-120mins before.

Fyi, he's not a bodybuilder......

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned to pull some of the shakes and add more real food.. Three food meals doesn't seem like near enough... 5-6 food meals with two shakes is pretty standard no matter what your fitness goals... At first you may have to drop your portions dramatically to be able to still train with full intensity but less food per meal is fine as long as your still getting the appropriate amount of meals.

[buckeyefootball4]

Upon waking, the body is hormonally set up to burn fat better than any other time of day, so any movement that occurs will be mainly fueled by fat. Breakfast should consist of protein sources, vegetables and fats. The result…lean tissue building, blood sugar stability, and mental focus throughout the entire day. This rule holds true even with early morning training sessions: DON’T EAT CARBS.


This is for an athlete who has morning workouts, pm workouts would have a different eating schedule.
Meal #1
8 oz Coffee
2 scoops whey protein
8 oz water
2 Tbsp Peanut Butter

Training Session
30-40 oz Water
apple if needed

Meal #2
4-6 Eggs Remove yolks from eggs
1 Cup Spinach
1-2 Teaspoon(s) Hot Salsa
1 Teaspoon Olive Oil
or 1/2 Avocado
20 oz Water

Meal #3 Lunch
1 Cup Black Beans/ 2 Bananas
8-10 oz Chicken Breast Marinade all meat in Olive Oil,
or Ground Beef Cayenne Pepper, Limes, and Pepper
1 Cup Green Beans
or 1 cup Broccoli
20 oz Water

Meal #4
1/2 Cup Trail Mix
Hot Green Tea Brewed

Meal #5 Dinner if morning workout
1 Large Sweet Potato
1 Cup Raw Oats
10-12 oz Chicken Breast
or Ground Beef
1 Bell Pepper
or 1 Large Spinach Salad
20-30 oz Water

Meal #5 Dinner if morning is off
10-12 oz Chicken Breast
or Ground Beef
1 Cup Broccoli
1 Cup Green Beans
20-30 oz Water

Meal #6 Snack
2 Scoops Whey
2 Tbsp Peanut Butter
10-12 oz Water

[Darrenmck]

That's what I used before and I think they done me fine no sides atall besides tren sweats and me sleep pattering wasn't that bad either, plus a friend of mine said there the strongest and best for results he did say the Oxys were toxic but that can be manageable when talking milktissle. What would you wreckon?

[buckeyefootball4]

Good luck with your cycle. I just think it's stupid for someone like yourself to be using these compounds, you sound like you dont have much exp. After all most people have to learn the hard way.

Having several PH/DS cycles under your belt and only one with injectable Test, don't qualify you to use Trenbolone.

I would highly advice you to research it more, because if someone isn't a serious competitor IMO it's not worth it.

Most people don't know how toxic this drug really is, not talking about the usual physical manifistations & bloodwork values but for issues that don't appear in any type of bloodwork but may do in the future.

That's what I used before and I think they done me fine no sides atall besides tren sweats and me sleep pattering wasn't that bad either, plus a friend of mine said there the strongest and best for results he did say the Oxys were toxic but that can be manageable when talking milktissle. What would you wreckon?

[Darrenmck]

To be honest I don't have much exp with this I've been going by word of mouth and the Internet but I'm glad I found this site the other day so I can learn more. Thanks for that advise. What would you wreckon I should take then to get a nice size and strength ? And why don't you like tren because of the toxins

[buckeyefootball4]

Answer this question. If you are using the strongest and most advance training methods and compounds now where do you have to go in 5 yrs. Get everything you can get from the simple compounds before jumping to the most advance compounds.

I already stated several times what I would take. Once again my advice:

Proper training program
Proper training program
Proper training program
Proper nutrition
Proper nutrition
Proper nutrition
Test only or test/tbol

[buckeyefootball4]

To be honest I don't have much exp with this I've been going by word of mouth and the Internet but I'm glad I found this site the other day so I can learn more. Thanks for that advise. What would you wreckon I should take then to get a nice size and strength ? And why don't you like tren because of the toxins

So far from what I can tell your diet and training is shit = shitty results no matter how much tren you take. I remember you talking about supersets etc in your training and take out for meals???

[Darrenmck]

I only wanted to do one cycle then come off it altogether but the first too cycles weren't great . I have the nolige now about nutrition . Because there strong compounds what damage could happing to me from taking them at an early stage?? Ha me diet isn't all about take aways just afew take aways here and there. I just wasn't eating 6 meals a day and all them protein shakes.

[buckeyefootball4]

I only wanted to do one cycle then come off it altogether but the first too cycles weren't great . I have the nolige now about nutrition . Because there strong compounds what damage could happing to me from taking them at an early stage?? Ha me diet isn't all about take aways just afew take aways here and there. I just wasn't eating 6 meals a day and all them protein shakes.

I would love to see a typical full day meal plan and a typical week of workouts.....

[jr292]

200 mg test prop a week? that is a little above a replacement dose....why so low?

[buckeyefootball4]

Give me a good reason why he should use more based on the results we got and his goals????

200 mg test prop a week? that is a little above a replacement dose....why so low?

[Darrenmck]

Monday chest and bycep -incline bench 5sets of 5 , ez curl bar 5sets of 5 , dumbel press 5sets of 5. Standing bycep curls 5sets of 5, Cable flys drop set cable curls drop set 3 sets each. Tuesday back and tri ceps- 12 pull ups and 12 bar pull ups 5sets of 5, sitting cable pull 20 5sets of 5 . Close grip bench 5sets of 5 , skull crushers 12 5sets, rope pull down 5 sets of 5 . Wednesday leg days - squats , calf raise dead lift and 2min burst on leg press. Thursday- shoulders and wings. Diet all over the place as I said.