Cutting Cycle -PLease help!!!

[rusty_1989]

Hi,

I am just finishing t400 Deca cycle and looking at my cutting cycle for summer..

thinking:

100mg Test Prop EOD weeks 1-8
100mg Var ED (1 50mg am, 1 50mg pm ) weeks 1-4

or

150mg Test Cyp E3D
100mg Var ED (1 50mg am, 1 50mg pm ) weeks 1-4

heard prop is best for cutting but dont like the idea of pinning every other day!

will be throwing in come Clen and caffeine weeks 2-8 also.

[Back In Black]

How long have you been on cycle. Include the dates of your first cycle, your cruise and this blast.

Do you intend to pct this time or cruise again?

Current stats?

[rusty_1989]

been on test400 and deca for 8 weeks, got 4 more on cycle and cruising into cutting cycle, no pct, maybe shot of HCG before cut.. take 10mg Nolva ED to minimise estro. not gyno prone anyway.

stats:

5ft 11"
210lbs
BF was 10% before cycle, now around 14% due to bulk.

diet - very clean, getting about 2000 above maintenance.

after cut, will do PCT if goals acheived, dont fancy cruising too long.

[Back In Black]

So, you'll be shutdown for at least 40 weeks or so? You know the risks of staying on cycle for an extended period of time? And how difficult your pct will be? I really hope you are, and have been, running HCG throughout?

You're 25 yes?

What is a clean diet? 2000 cals above maintenance is a recipe for gaining fat.

[rusty_1989]

why 40 weeks ? i have good PCT in check once cutting cycle finished.. the dosage of t400 and deca is not great so not shut down..

no hcg during cycle, like said before, will implement before starting cut..

well getting 4500 calories per day, all clean, minimal supplements. eating 8 small meals per day. my diet was made up by PT in gym as no good with dieting..

not done me any bad since started, seen some nice and steady gains and BF increase is expected with bulk anyway ?

[Back In Black]

12 weeks for your current cycle. 6 week cruise after your firs. I'm guessing 12 weeks on your first cycle. Another 6 week cruise and then your 'cutting' cycle. So that's probably more than 40 weeks. Or did I get something wrong?

I'm still not sure what you mean by clean?

Oh, and you start your HCG as soon as you can.

What AI have you been taking?

[rusty_1989]

no, sorry, 12 weeks is my current cycle, 8 weeks into it already with 4 weeks to go then starting cut. so 12 weeks bulk, and 8 weeks cut..

clean diet, no shite.. all good fats etc.. no junk food..

no AI, 10mg Nolva ED on cycle, have Adex to hand but not taking unless unwanted sides start.

[Back In Black]

So, no AI and no HCG?

20 week current cycle after a 6 week cruise and what, 12 week first cycle?

[rusty_1989]

have a-dex on hand but not taking as no unwanted sides yet..

12 weeks t400 & deca, then straight into 8 weeks cutting..

test cyp or test prop with Var ?

[Buster Brown]

I would go with the prop and var. I would pin eod however. You will be able to start your pct sooner if you reach your goal.

[rusty_1989]

Thanks Buster Brown:

Var 50mg am & 50mg pm
Test Prop 0.5cc -Monday, Wed, Friday

look ok ??

[fit2bOld]

For those of you reading this thread this is classic what not to do.
No AI
No HCG
Blast and cruise at 25 with no real plan.

I have no comment for the OP other than I wish you luck on your recovery whenever that may be as well as your long term health.

[rusty_1989]

thanks for the input..

I have AI on hand if you read my posts above, not using as no sides!

also 25mg clomid on 8 week cut will make PCT easy..

standard clomid and nolva PCT.

why does every insist on taking AI on cycle when not absolute nessecary ?

i have friends who take 3 times the doses i take and do not need hcg or AI.. everyone is different so how can you say I NEED HCG and AI ???

[michael30]

Well you could possible argue that you dont need an ai? If you actually got bloodwork to prove your e2 was low? And just curious how do you know you dont have sides without blood work? No one has to use hcg. But if you want to have a better chance of your nuts working, especially after a 20week cycle. I would strongly suggest its use. can you please explain your theory on running clomid at 25mg on a 8 wk cut making pct easier?

[Back In Black]

Ok rusty, you're not giving what I asked.

You are currently doing a 20 week cycle after a 6 week cruise. How long was your first cycle before your cruise?

Do you understand the implications of being shut down for an extended period of time?

[michael30]

Bib i went back an re read i think op used the word cruise instead of blast in post #3 at the end. From what i gathered he is just running a 20week cycle(12wk bulk 8wk cut) not crusing at all. Unless im missing something.

[Back In Black]

Bib i think op used the word cruise instead of blast in post #3 ant the very end. From what i gathered he his just running a 20week cycle(12wk bulk 8wk cut) not crusing at all. Unless im missing something.

Check his previous threads. Straight from first cycle into a cruise for 6 weeks then into this 20 weeker.

Posted last month

After 1st t400 dec cycle, i ran just sus250 for 6-8 weeks and kept gains.. what about the below?

2ml t400, 120mg prop, 160mg dec & 120mg enan,
2ml Deca 300mg

1ml each monday & 1ml each thursday

AI and/or HCG with 10mg Nolva every day ?

[michael30]

Good catch! Thats just ridiculous!

[rusty_1989]

lol you obviously cannot read.. my first cycle was over 2 years ago.. or i may not have mentioned this so apologies!!

Michael you are right, no 6 week cruise.. for the 3rd time, 12 week bulk, 8 week cut in 2014.. no cruise before bulk!! 1st ever cycle was in 2012!

no theory as such on the clomid on cycle, just research and advice.. clomid helps the bodys natural test production and makes coming off cycle slightly easier as test prod is not shut down as much, am i right ?

micheal - what is ridiculous lol?

[Back In Black]

I have never seen any mention that your first cycle was 2 years ago, hence the continued reference to a super long cycle.

Regardless you should have been running an AI and HCG from the start. As Michael says, only bloodwork would confirm that you don't need an AI. As for HCG it is that that makes recovery easier.

Read these

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

[rusty_1989]

Back in black..

thanks for your reply, sorry i was not very clear with my cycle history dates etc, my bad.. also, i may be silly but know the consequences of cruising for that long.

my t400 has long and short esters, pinning e3d would keep blood stable ?? is this not true ?

i am very skeptical about taking stuff unless absolutely necessary, but understand the negative sides also..

like i said i have all on hand, but do not feel the need to take at this moment.

[fit2bOld]

The point is you were given threads to read on the importance of an AI and HCG. Did you even read them?
Sides are not the tell tale as to estrogen it can be all internal.
HCG preserves testicular function making it easier to recover. Just cause your balls didn't shrink doesn't mean you will recover.