2 separate cycles of 8 wks or 1 cycle of 16wks

[Phat Dat]

Which is better? To do 2 separate cycles of 8 weeks or 1 cycle of 16 weeks? I have 64 ampules of Sustanon 250 to do 1000mg/week. I also have 30 2.5mg pills of Letrozole. And I have 63 20mg pills of Nolvodex for PCT. I can get more of Nolvodex if two cycles.

And as a side note: I am trying Letrozole this time around because I had a lot of water retention the first time around, and Arimidex didn't help. Was so bad, I could squeeze my calfs and have indentations for a while. When wearing socks, I could see the lines long after removing them.

Why Sustanon 250? That's what I can get my hands on without trouble and easily available for me.

[raeford25]

What's your goals? Stats?

[Phat Dat]

What's your goals? Stats?

My goal is to increase muscle size, as everyone pretty much does on this site, but I'm not looking to become longterm huge. I would like by August to be ripped and have muscle to show for it. I liked when my veins were visible just from a normal walk.

About myself, I am 49 years old and 186 pounds. I suffered from Low T and didn't know it until last summer when I had my blood checked. My score was 451, and that set me off on a lot of research into test and how it affects the body (me). And much of what I learned was how I was being affected. Last Fall, I found this site and have read every page at least 4 or 5 times. I travel a lot over a year, and one place I go, I can get Sustanon 250 and Deca; and that's all I can get (except the Andriol caps). I tried a cycle of Sustanon 250 at 500mg/week and 200mg of Deca/week (yes, I followed the guidelines of pct afterward and was fine and still am). I had good gains and was happy. But, this Spring, I've been traveling, and well, I am returning back to the US in 2 weeks and will hit the gym and this cycle hard.

The reason for my question is this: there's a lot about other steroids, but not much in the way of cycle examples for Sustanon. On this web site, there is one reference to an intermediate cycle using Sustanon 250 and Deca and it's for a 12 week cycle. I just bought, legally, 64 ampules of Sustanon 250 thinking of doing a cycle of 1,000mg Sustanon and 200mg of Deca (bought 48 ampules) for 16 weeks. Along with the 12 week cycle recommended on the site for intermediate cycle, I saw on some workout routines, that doing 8 weeks is where you will reach the peak on a cycle. So, that's why the question of 8 weeks versus 16 weeks. I was planning to do a 16 week cycle because I can. All cycles would be 1000mg Sustanon 250 this time around.

Finally, I enjoyed the compliments I got. And at 49 years old even my daughter noticed the weight loss and muscle gain. Again, my goal is not to be huge (not intending any insult to guys here), but to get ripped. Best example would be Hugh Jackman (aka Wolverine). I can't get Winstrol or other cutting medicines, so, this is what I have.

[numbere]

What is your height and BF%? What was your Adex dosage last cycle?

Your excess water weight last cycle could have been from your BF or Adex doseage. When cycling at a high BF more test is converted to E and the body also stores more water. If your Adex dosage was too low this could have indirectly led to your increased water weight.

I would advise against using Letro on your next cycle, there are better choices. Letro is the most potent AI. Taking 0.25mg or less will inhibit 98% of estrogen. There is usually one person a week posting here about how Letro crashed their E level.

There isn't a lot of cycle information on here about Sus because it was intended for use by TRT patients. IMO 1000mg/week Sus seems like over kill. At that dosage you will see diminished returns for increased sides (excess water weight). You should be fine in the 500-750mg/week range.

Hopefully a Vet with more Sus knowledge will offer their advise.

Deca has a long ester with a half life of 15 days. So a cycle with this AS should be at the least 12 weeks. Dosage is usually within 300-800mg/week.
Deca is a 19nor and known to raise prolactin levels so you should look into taking Cabergoline on cycle.

It would also be in your best interest to use hCG on cycle at 250ui every 3.5 days. This will help prevent your testicles from atrophy.

Finally, both nolva and clomid should be used for PCT. They work in synergy with each other to increase your chance of a successful recovery. Nolva boosts the frequency of LH production and clomid increases the amplitude of LH production.

P.S. No amount/combination of AAS will make you look like Hugh Jackman or anyone else. They will only enhance your physique and make you a bigger better you.

[Phat Dat]

Wow Nombere! First, I want you to know I really do appreciate your taking the time to answer my questions. And to do so thoroughly! Some of what you wrote, I understand from research about this topic. but, you also opened the door to a few more questions, and I appreciate that, and I will do more research (and ask you some also).

My bf is between 19 and 20. I had it down to 17 before my recent trip to vietnam, where I have not been able to train beyond pushups and other hotel exercises. And to be honest, they're not as enjoyable as the old fashioned gym.

My dose of Arimidex was .25mg (cut 1mg into 1/4's).

I do hope to get more information on Sustanon cycles as you mentioned. And hope others will keep in mind that this is my choice because it's what I can get my hands on. At my age, going to the "black market" is not something I want to do. And buying here in vietnam, it's legal and easy as walking up to a store. So, this is what I have to work with. That and Deca.

About Deca, wow, thanks for the insight. I read about this several times on this site (the home page, not forum), but this is the first time I read about prolactin. I'll do more reading on this going forward.

About HCG, don't have access to that either.

Taking clomid and nolvadex at the same time is okay? I leave vietnam in 2 days, so, I hope to get an answer about this. I was prepared to do 40/40/40/20/20/20. How much of clomid would I take at the same time (per day/per week)?

Again, thanks for the thoughtful answer to my post. And for taking the time to do so. It is not wasted!

[mewalrus]

Here is a thought.
At 49 run your long 16 week cycle of sust.
Go to this link
PCT Calculator
pct.befit4free
dot
net
Don't have enough posts to give you the actual link

I entered sust 250 dosed every second day for 112 days at approx day 180(you'll be in pct), the test left from your cycle will be about 5mg.
At this time go see a doctor and tell him you have low T. Read up on symptoms, blah blah, tell him what he needs to hear and tell him you want your T tested. It will probably come back as a little girls T level at that point and boom. Your cruiseing on testosterone HRT. :

[numbere]

Here is a thought.
At 49 run your long 16 week cycle of sust.
Go to this link
PCT Calculator
pct.befit4free
dot
net
Don't have enough posts to give you the actual link

I entered sust 250 dosed every second day for 112 days at approx day 180(you'll be in pct), the test left from your cycle will be about 5mg.
At this time go see a doctor and tell him you have low T. Read up on symptoms, blah blah, tell him what he needs to hear and tell him you want your T tested. It will probably come back as a little girls T level at that point and boom. Your cruiseing on testosterone HRT. :

This is horrible advise, and I'm fairly certain you broke a forum rule by posting an outside source.

Phat Dat don't listen to this advise unless you want to be on HRT for the rest of your life.

[numbere]

Were you dosing Adex at 0.25mg ED or EOD?

19-20% bf is a bit high. I wouldn't advise you to cycle above 15%. You'll have increased sides as mentioned earlier. It also shows that you have a lack of dedication to training/diet. An AS cycle won't get you the results you want without proper diet and training. I'm not trying to insult you, just telling you straight up.

hCG is legal in the states and easy to obtain you only need a prescription. We can't discuss sources here, but I will say that I wear prescription contacts and I buy them online.

Taking clomid and nolva at the same time is the best PCT to date. See below for dosages. Aslo, the dosages below are for PCT following a 12 week cycle. If your HPTA is shutdown for a longer time than PCT will likely need to be extended.

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 (Each number represents the daily dose (mg) for that week)

Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 (Each number represents the daily dose (mg) for that week)

It would be in your best interest to read the threads in the database below. There's about a dozen and they are quick reads. IMO they are a must for anyone cycling.

austinites educational article database

Here is a great thread on AIs, SERMs, and dosages.

ancillar reference guide

[Phat Dat]

Thanks again Numbere. I was wrong about the does, it was .5mg. I went back and looked up my cycle program I did.

You are not insulting me. I don't have an ego, so, I accept good criticism. I did pretty good on diet and training until March, when I traveled here. Unfortunately, where I am, there simply are not gyms, and no where to buy weights. The heaviest dumbell I found was at a Big C store, and that was at 7Kg.s.

But, when I do get back home, I will hit EVERYTHING hard. I love to run, and that's really why the desire for the Deca. Over the years, my knees were becoming painful. I had to stop running. However, during the first cycle I did, I was amazed at how my joints were feeling. I came back and looked up both Sustanon and Deca, and it's the Deca I think that did the job. So, I know it's recommended to do 400mg/week of Deca, but, I am thinking just to do 200mg for the joints, and bulk benefit also .

Thanks for the advice on the Clomid. I'll get that today.

For HCG, I did some research this morning, and it's a bit nervous from what I read. Too much can hurt and not fond of the word "permanently" when dealing with side effects. Will do more research as I have time and if what you say is true (I don't doubt it), I will get it online. Or ask my doctor for it.

About the bf, I do not have a way to test this here except the "look" test. So, it is really a good guess and I was being more hard on myself. I really do not think it's that high, but won't know until I get back to my gym in southern cali. But, I do track what I eat, though it's hard here when all food is vietnamese (sometimes don't really know what I'm eating, though it's delicious lol).

Again, I love to run, but here in vietnam, it's not easy nor advisable. Getting any kind of medical attention is almost impossible when in the countryside. And I love to run an hour minimum (helps with stress). Just google driving in vietnam or something like this, and you'll see halarious and defying traffic conditions. You really can get hit by a honda, truck, car or even a buffalo running around here. Really.

[numbere]

Check out the hCG thread in educational article database I sent you.

Here is a quick way to judge bf.


Look at this thread, I think it's exactly what you've been looking for.

5th cycle looking add deca.html

[gym_junki]

Here is a thought.
At 49 run your long 16 week cycle of sust.
Go to this link
PCT Calculator
pct.befit4free
dot
net
Don't have enough posts to give you the actual link

I entered sust 250 dosed every second day for 112 days at approx day 180(you'll be in pct), the test left from your cycle will be about 5mg.
At this time go see a doctor and tell him you have low T. Read up on symptoms, blah blah, tell him what he needs to hear and tell him you want your T tested. It will probably come back as a little girls T level at that point and boom. Your cruiseing on testosterone HRT. :

There's an easier way, but I can't belive u would advise someone to do this and have him inject test for the rest of his life, people do their best to recover and produce free test and your telling him to fvk him self. Yeh his going to get a ml every 2 weeks but its not worth it. Keep these ideas to yourself. Listen to what's been advised above mate.

[gym_junki]

If your body fat is that high your better off dropping it before you start this cycle specially if your thinking of going with deca. Try and at least get to 15 percent or you might suffer a lot and not enjoy your cycle.

[Phat Dat]

Yikes! Going by those pictures, I'm a little more than the guy in 20%, but certainly not 25%. I'm way off then. Just being honest with myself here. So, I will hit cardio first when I get home and get down to say 16% then. Won't be easy since I am 49 (of note, a few years ago, my doctor diagnosed me with Metobolic Syndrome).

Being that I am in Vietnam, and can get most anything (can't use words I want to here), anything you could recommend? Of course I will always thoroughly research. I just want to take advantage of being here. It will be 6 months before I come back.

I am currently researching T3 now based upon the links you provided earlier. I could spend hours and days on this! Thanks again Numbere! I added to your reputation and anyone reading these threads, I hope will appreciate your time. And mimic it for others!

[Phat Dat]

Thanks Gym_Junki! Will do that first.

[gym_junki]

Yikes! Going by those pictures, I'm a little more than the guy in 20%, but certainly not 25%. I'm way off then. Just being honest with myself here. So, I will hit cardio first when I get home and get down to say 16% then. Won't be easy since I am 49 (of note, a few years ago, my doctor diagnosed me with Metobolic Syndrome).

Being that I am in Vietnam, and can get most anything (can't use words I want to here), anything you could recommend? Of course I will always thoroughly research. I just want to take advantage of being here. It will be 6 months before I come back.

I am currently researching T3 now based upon the links you provided earlier. I could spend hours and days on this! Thanks again Numbere! I added to your reputation and anyone reading these threads, I hope will appreciate your time. And mimic it for others!

I have a few mates who went to where you are and said it's hard even get one amp I hope your right because I'll be there next year and want to cruse on test while I'm there.

[Phat Dat]

I have a few mates who went to where you are and said it's hard even get one amp I hope your right because I'll be there next year and want to cruse on test while I'm there.

It's readily available at the big pharmacies on Hai Ba Trung Street in Q1. However, if there is a way to contact you outside this forum or thread, let me know. I see the rules prohibit sending information like that on the board. I have someone that orders straight from the manufacturer here in vietnam.

If I have crossed the line here (to board monitors), please just let me know. Just trying to help but also abide by rules here. And I am a newbie.