When to expect loss of gains

[Buc n]

Quick run down
First cycle
Deca at 300mg/week for 14weeks
Sust at 375mg/week 16 weeks
I'm currently at 18 weeks with nolva ready in hand, I'm unsure when to start using it as I haven't dropped any size or strength( if anything I've gained strength in the two weeks) and had no depressed/unmotivated emotions or gyno, I understand the the half life of sust is roughly 18 days, I'm just curious as to when you guys think I should start the nolva and from experience how long after last pin do you get the emotions/catabolic affects?

Stats
Started lifting 3.5 years ago
Cals 3000-3500c while on cycle
Weight 204-before cycle13%bf, currently 228 15%bf
Height 6ft 1/2
Age 19( I know a lot of you guys won't like that, but id appreciated if there wasn't any arguing or insults as that ships already sailed, thanks)
Training- I always try to be the hardest worker in my gym, I consider my training to be very good

[marcus300]

I really wouldn't run a cycle at 19yrs old when your natural test hasn't fully developed, huge risks involved for no serious gains.

I wont comment any further because I get the feeling you don't want to listen to my advice but one day you wish you had,

[Buc n]

I know man, I'd be lying if I said a part of me didn't agree with you somewhat. But it was hard for me to keep going natural when the sport/art I love is such involved with gear also seeing pictures of arnie and cutler with 20 inch arms at 19 didn't help

[thisAngelBites]

I hear what you're saying, but if you spend some time reading on this site, you will literally find hundreds of people writing in, and they are seriously struggling with their health after cycling young. They are often depressed, lethargic and can't get an erection. There are literally posts like this every day, where people are trying to explain to their parents and girlfriends that there is something seriously wrong with them. And now they will very likely struggle with trying to balance their hormones for the rest of their lives (and this can often be tricky stuff), all because they didn't think anything bad was going to happen to them, or because of impatience. You will hear many, many of them talk about how it is not worth it.

If you go to the nutrition section, and the workout sections, and post what you are eating and doing, people will make suggestions that will help you to get closer to where you want to be, and hold off cycling for a few more years. Those people really know what they are doing, and no matter how well you think you're eating, they can help you do better. You can come a long way before resorting to AAS.

[Schwarzenegger]

Well since ur cycles over and ur in pct time, no point in telling u that u shouldn't have cycled.

Start the nolva right now and get clomid asap. Nolva on its own ain't gonna do much. And clomid does most of the work to jumpstart ur hpta.

Start clomid and nolva 2 weeks after last pin.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

That's clomid 100mg/day first and 2nd week then down to 50mg/day 3rd and 4th week.

[KBD]

I really wouldn't run a cycle at 19yrs old when your natural test hasn't fully developed, huge risks involved for no serious gains.

I wont comment any further because I get the feeling you don't want to listen to my advice but one day you wish you had,

You know that I respect that you guys preach this to other people but you as well as I know that everyone is gonna do they're own thing and take any advice with a grain of salt. People have already figured out that arnold and all the others used anabolics at 15-16 so 19 isn't really that big of a deal and I say that because people just use steroids for the wrong reasons IMO. But hey I also believe if your gonna take steroids, actually do something with it such as compete or photoshoots or some opportunity to where it could make you something vs trying to be a gym rat walk around and look buff for summer. But that's me talking and that's why I cruise. People wanna get lean all the time and all these gains I see from these cyclers they are all the same. Nobody barely improves anymore and the reason I say that is because most of them could have gotten better gains naturally just impatient. I took steroids because I wanna be seen and noticed and I also know exactly how my body works and what works and what doesn't I also have done tons of extensive research on ALL anabolics and my degree is in pharmacology. I compete and do fitness shoots all of the above and bodybuilding is my passion so it's what I do.

[KBD]

People rely too much on drug use and neglect the important stuff like their training and food intake.

Anyways sorry for going way off topic but the moral is don't worry about when your gonna lose some of your gains, it's gonna happen so just accept it, if you don't wanna lose gains don't come off period. Best thing you can do is up your caloric I take and train hard.

[Buc n]

Well since ur cycles over and ur in pct time, no point in telling u that u shouldn't have cycled.

Start the nolva right now and get clomid asap. Nolva on its own ain't gonna do much. And clomid does most of the work to jumpstart ur hpta.
Start clomid and nolva 2 weeks after last pin.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

That's clomid 100mg/day first and 2nd week then down to 50mg/day 3rd and 4th week.

I know about the clomid man, but being a nieve idiot I just assumed my source would have everything I needed in stock when it was required, the clomid won't be in for another 2weeks (so 4weeks from last pin) I was actually considering maybe doing another 125mg of sust tomorrow just to hold up for the two weeks, whats you thoughts on that?

[marcus300]

You know that I respect that you guys preach this to other people but you as well as I know that everyone is gonna do they're own thing and take any advice with a grain of salt. People have already figured out that arnold and all the others used anabolics at 15-16 so 19 isn't really that big of a deal and I say that because people just use steroids for the wrong reasons IMO. But hey I also believe if your gonna take steroids, actually do something with it such as compete or photoshoots or some opportunity to where it could make you something vs trying to be a gym rat walk around and look buff for summer. But that's me talking and that's why I cruise. People wanna get lean all the time and all these gains I see from these cyclers they are all the same. Nobody barely improves anymore and the reason I say that is because most of them could have gotten better gains naturally just impatient. I took steroids because I wanna be seen and noticed and I also know exactly how my body works and what works and what doesn't I also have done tons of extensive research on ALL anabolics and my degree is in pharmacology. I compete and do fitness shoots all of the above and bodybuilding is my passion so it's what I do.

If I can help someone and point them in the right direction I will, I wont be changing my views and opinion all because someone is going to use it anyway. I will try my best to change their minds otherwise what kind of person would I be just rolling over and telling them what they want to hear. Some guys have no integrity and just tell them what they want to hear but ive seen to much and know far more to know the answer isn't in a pill or injection for someone at this age. So fuking what if Arnold used at a young age, doesn't mean shit and it doesn't mean he will turn out like Arnold, that point of view is totally stupid IMHO.

Anyway no on in here needs my help so adios

[jason559]

At ur age u will lose eveything shortly

[KBD]

If I can help someone and point them in the right direction I will, I wont be changing my views and opinion all because someone is going to use it anyway. I will try my best to change their minds otherwise what kind of person would I be just rolling over and telling them what they want to hear. Some guys have no integrity and just tell them what they want to hear but ive seen to much and know far more to know the answer isn't in a pill or injection for someone at this age. So fuking what if Arnold used at a young age, doesn't mean shit and it doesn't mean he will turn out like Arnold, that point of view is totally stupid IMHO.

Anyway no on in here needs my help so adios

You just proved my entire point, exactly who cares if they start using at 19 it prob won't make them anything and they're not gonna listen bro but I do the same thing I try to give good advice as well and 95% of the time they never listen