Usual estradiol levels while on test prop

[Majd1997]

I was using testosterone propionate 30mg ED (210mg/WK) I did a blood work for total test, estradiol
My total test was 1588ng/dl (reference range 300-1000ng/dl)

my estradiol was 160pg/ml (reference range 10-50 pg/ml)

I know it's high!
I just want to know isn't this estradiol is VERY high compared to such a small dose of test prop?
What estradiol do you get when running a similar dose of test prop?
I just having a feeling that my aromatase levels are naturally high.. That's why I'm asking
Thanks

[kelkel]

Why such a low dose?
Get a Sensitive E2 assay next time as it's geared to men. Estradiol isn't.
The rate we aromatize is relatively individual and based on many factors. Body fat being a crucial one.
Therefore there is no set "rate of estrogen" per dosage.

[David LoPan]

YOUR 19, why are you on test at all? I bet your not on an AI either, well I know your not. Stop the test and start your PCT now.

[MuscleInk]

YOUR 19, why are you on test at all? I bet your not on an AI either, well I know your not. Stop the test and start your PCT now.

My suspicion as well. He was probably told by his trusty drug dealer (lmao) that he didn't need one or it would hinder his gains.

They are determined to learn the hard way!

[kelkel]

YOUR 19, why are you on test at all? I bet your not on an AI either, well I know your not. Stop the test and start your PCT now.

Jeez. Guess we have to scan everybody these days. WTF is wrong with these kids? As if their natural test isn't high enough at that age.....

[Majd1997]

Just forget about the age and stay on the topic already
I have low T but doctors arnt prescribing it for some reasons
And yes I do have an AI I'm not ignorant as you think I have letro and I'll be getting 2.5mg/week based on a study that I read
But I'll stop taking testosterone cause I think my body can naturally produce testosterone equal to what I'm injectin
Now the problem doctors are not prescribing me testosterone or any kind of treatment is that I had 354ng/dl test (range 300-1000)
And estradiol was 40pg/ml (range 10- 50)
You see one of them suppresses the other one
Estradiol is on the high end of NORMAL and test is low end of NORMAL too
So damn doctors says it's within the normal range
And you don't need any therapy, their ignorance of the concept of "hormonal imbalance" is gonna get someone to suicide.
As you don't need both of them to be abnormal to determine that there is a hormonal imbalance (I.e e2 60pg/ml and test 250ng/dl)
That's non sense

[MuscleInk]

Jeez. Guess we have to scan everybody these days. WTF is wrong with these kids? As if their natural test isn't high enough at that age.....

Very frustrating. They don't do any real research. They don't ask questions. They simply follow the advice of their dealer. It's the blind leading the blind and they wonder why they fvck themselves up. Seems like a dozen of these cases a day.

They should count their blessings that they have a place like this to find help.

[Majd1997]

Very frustrating. They don't do any real research. They don't ask questions. They simply follow the advice of their dealer. It's the blind leading the blind and they wonder why they fvck themselves up. Seems like a dozen of these cases a day.

They should count their blessings that they have a place like this to find help.

Didn't you read what I just posted how the hell you think I didn't research
I have a lot of information just like any other guy on the board
And people who want to fix a low testosterone problems
Have more knowledge than people who want to use steroids as a PED
in the end the most thing that you and all guys who want to use it as performance enhancing cares about how much "water you have in your muscle
Not about how to make your body in the healthiest way I'm not saying that the dose or the method that I did for my first attempt was a shining idea no it was totally not, but I'll make a good one and I'll make my own body to produce instead of replacing my own test with an exogenous test

[David LoPan]

OP your test levels are fine naturally. At your age you can drop your test just by eating like crap and not sleeping enough before your blood work was taken. There is a reason the Doctor will not put you on test, you DONT need it. 354 is not low t, its within normal range. If you ate right, got a lot of sleep for a few days and worked out your test levels would jump up. If you had test levels under 220 I would bet they would have you see an endo and do blood tests over a period of time to see why your levels are low.

You just saw the lab results and decided you knew more than a person that went to medical school and had years of training because you want to be on test. Listen to the doctor, there is a reason he didnt write you an RX for test . . .

[David LoPan]

Didn't you read what I just posted how the hell you think I didn't research
I have a lot of information just like any other guy on the board
And people who want to fix a low testosterone problems
Have more knowledge than people who want to use steroids as a PED
in the end the most thing that you and all guys who want to use it as performance enhancing cares about how much "water you have in your muscle
Not about how to make your body in the healthiest way I'm not saying that the dose or the method that I did for my first attempt was a shining idea no it was totally not, but I'll make a good one and I'll make my own body to produce instead of replacing my own test with an exogenous test

OP MuscleInk is a doctor that knows more about research on AAS than you could ever imagine. He has been doing this more years that you have been alive. You should listen to people that really do research for YEARS not read a few studies that support what you want to know.

Listen to your doctor and get off the test, eat right, train hard and get lots of sleep. Your problem will be solved

[Majd1997]

OP your test levels are fine naturally. At your age you can drop your test just by eating like crap and not sleeping enough before your blood work was taken. There is a reason the Doctor will not put you on test, you DONT need it. 354 is not low t, its within normal range. If you ate right, got a lot of sleep for a few days and worked out your test levels would jump up. If you had test levels under 220 I would bet they would have you see an endo and do blood tests over a period of time to see why your levels are low.

You just saw the lab results and decided you knew more than a person that went to medical school and had years of training because you want to be on test. Listen to the doctor, there is a reason he didnt write you an RX for test . . .

We'll you seemed that you liked my "good"
T level
Then I'll tell you what
I also have tested the free test 70 pmol/l range was as stupid as hell (15-140pmol/l)
I asked my friend who is a hormones researcher in the USA he was shocked with their stupid range
Range should be 170-800pmol/l
That's what he said also I checked a billion laboratory websites that has the same range (170-800pmol/l for 17 years old)

If you assumed that my free test was 70 which is in the middle of the range of 15-140
Does this make sense when you have an estradiol levels of 40pg/ml
When estradiol have a direct effect on SHBG production?
Nonsense!

[MuscleInk]

Didn't you read what I just posted how the hell you think I didn't research
I have a lot of information just like any other guy on the board
And people who want to fix a low testosterone problems
Have more knowledge than people who want to use steroids as a PED
in the end the most thing that you and all guys who want to use it as performance enhancing cares about how much "water you have in your muscle
Not about how to make your body in the healthiest way I'm not saying that the dose or the method that I did for my first attempt was a shining idea no it was totally not, but I'll make a good one and I'll make my own body to produce instead of replacing my own test with an exogenous test

It's evident you didn't do your research because if you did, you'd know you shouldn't be messing with your neuroendocrine system at your age AND you would know what a proper cycle should be.

I've been practicing medicine as long as you've been sucking air in your lungs and some of the members responding to your thread have been training in fitness and body building longer than that.

You think we don't see this from young guys more than a dozen times a day? Stick around junior, your issues are pandemic among guys your age. To many of you, doing research means Googling the popular steroids in current fashion and selectively reading blogs from guys you've never met and may have little more then an opinion on the subject matter.

You're not fooling anyone here. You're seeking help because you didn't know what you were doing. Let's just call a spade a spade and dispense with the BS.

[MuscleInk]

OP MuscleInk is a doctor that knows more about research on AAS than you could ever imagine. He has been doing this more years that you have been alive. You should listen to people that really do research for YEARS not read a few studies that support what you want to know.

Listen to your doctor and get off the test, eat right, train hard and get lots of sleep. Your problem will be solved

Thanks BT. I hate throwing the degree thing around but sometimes these young guys and their know it all attitude is aggravating. None of us wants to see anyone have a bad experience but it's difficult to help when they won't humble themselves just slightly and acknowledge they were impetuous and naive before manipulating their hormones.

[Majd1997]

It's evident you didn't do your research because if you did, you'd know you shouldn't be messing with your neuroendocrine system at your age AND you would know what a proper cycle should be.

I've been practicing medicine as long as you've been sucking air in your lungs and some of the members responding to your thread have been training in fitness and body building longer than that.

You think we don't see this from young guys more than a dozen times a day? Stick around junior, your issues are pandemic among guys your age. To many of you, doing research means Googling the popular steroids in current fashion and selectively reading blogs from guys you've never met and may have little more then an opinion on the subject matter.

You're not fooling anyone here. You're seeking help because you didn't know what you were doing. Let's just call a spade a spade and dispense with the BS.

Wether you like or not, I know what I'm doing
I just asked a question and you don't seem to have any answer to it

Messing with my Neuroendocrine system?
If I had normal HPTA axis or normal estrogen compared to total testosterone like you guys, and I was using steroids then you can say that sentence
You can't say this to someone who is trying to get his levels to normal.

That was a waste of your and my time thanks for nothing

[MuscleInk]

Wether you like or not, I know what I'm doing
I just asked a question and you don't seem to have any answer to it

Messing with my Neuroendocrine system?
If I had normal HPTA axis or normal estrogen compared to total testosterone like you guys, and I was using steroids then you can say that sentence
You can't say this to someone who is trying to get his levels to normal.

That was a waste of your and my time thanks for nothing

Well then, if you know what you're doing, you don't need our help then do you? Good to know you got it all figured out.

[David LoPan]

Wether you like or not, I know what I'm doing
I just asked a question and you don't seem to have any answer to it

Messing with my Neuroendocrine system?
If I had normal HPTA axis or normal estrogen compared to total testosterone like you guys, and I was using steroids then you can say that sentence
You can't say this to someone who is trying to get his levels to normal.

That was a waste of your and my time thanks for nothing

So after one blood test, asking a buddy and using google you put yourself on Test P. Not Test E or Test C like what would be Rx as a treatment for Low T. At your age your hormones are all over the place. They have yet to fully develop. You did get an answer, have your E2 checked Estradiol is not a good benchmark. But your estrabiol is high due to you using test P when you dont need to take it. You have started down a bad road, messing around with things you are not trained for. You think that "total test was 1588ng/dl" is normal?

Get off the test. Eat right, sleep and train. Then go back and get blood work done. You might want to think about PCT but your research should have told you this or maybe not. Let the trained professionals do their job. Take 3 or 4 blood tests over a year and see where you really are and stop trying to self medicate.

OH And FYI, it took a couple of years to get my blood work vs medication totally worked out. Why would you think you would have it fixed in two blood test?

[Majd1997]

I didn't ask a "buddy" and yes i "googled" just like you did and you called it a "research" and I used test p because i can mimic my body pulses..
C will only cause a high estrogen so you bulk easier with it(more water) see I told you it's all about water didn't I.. In my case Don't wanna bulk
Bro 1588 is not fcvkin normal I know this but excuse me for me being a first time "injecter" hehe
I wanted to know how to adjust the dosage i was on 30mg now I'm on 10mg ED
I'll use letro 2.5mg/WK and see my
E2 want it to go from 40 to 15 that's gonna sound good
Total t from 354 to 800-900 that's excelent IMO
And most important that I'didnt affects anything
They are both normal but I reversed the equation
Test was low e2 was high
E2 low test high
Simple as 1+1

Oh forgot to add that I'll stop the test

[Majd1997]

Well then, if you know what you're doing, you don't need our help then do you? Good to know you got it all figured out.

Bro if you would help I wouldn't say that
You're just judging my knowledge from your site of view
Give young guys chance
I'm just like you when you just started
And I care about my body more than you think
You're gonna tell me to stop what I'm doing?
Well, not completely I can change the method but not the goal
I'll use AI and raise it naturally
Just like I replied to BigTahl on his last post
You just reverse it
Low T high E2 but both within the normal
High T low E2 within normal range
Simple

[MuscleInk]

Bro if you would help I wouldn't say that
You're just judging my knowledge from your site of view
Give young guys chance
I'm just like you when you just started
And I care about my body more than you think
You're gonna tell me to stop what I'm doing?
Well, not completely I can change the method but not the goal
I'll use AI and raise it naturally
Just like I replied to BigTahl on his last post
You just reverse it
Low T high E2 but both within the normal
High T low E2 within normal range
Simple

No, sorry. We weren't alike when we each started. I was 39 and a licensed MD. I will admit I didn't know all there is to know about steroids (and I still consider myself a student) but I never manipulated my natural hormone levels until they were suppressed by age.

I don't condone anabolic use in young men. Granted, there are those exceptions where young men need TRT due to natural derivations in their endocrine function, but in those cases, I believe they should limit their use of anabolic to TRT levels for several years, settling in to their TRT dose before manipulating things further.

Nothing is as simple as it seems. People aromatization at different rates. I've treated men who require very little AI to control aromatization on TRT; with others it's a constant struggle to maintain normal ranges. Beyond the hormones, there are secondary factors (lipids, hemaglobin, RBCs, PSA) that have to be managed in TRT patients.

I know you have good intentions and I applaud you for seeking advice, but you don't appreciate the full scope of the issues in TRT management.