Good non-aromatizing cycle for someone not done growing

[VeniVidiVicci]

I am aware of the dangers of using aromatizing compounds before you are done growing is high. Since I am only 18, I would like to start a dry cycle. I have been thinking about prohormones, specifically Epistane or Helladrol. Are there any other prohormone options? If not AAS options?

Here are my stats:
Age: 18
Weight: 170
BF: Aprox 15%
Training: 4 years

[ppwc1985]

Yes there is, it's called FOOD.

[VeniVidiVicci]

Yes there is, it's called FOOD.

Thanks for the reply man. I have been eating a lot lately. And I find when I eat plenty of food to grow I end up holding a lot of water and get a lot of fat gain. However I see your point.

I am already at 15% bodyfat and not am not looking to gain anymore fat. I was thinking about cutting, but I don't feel as if I am ready for a cut; need to get bigger and stronger. Also, I'm from CT too man. Sucks over here!

[Times Roman]

Do not cycle until your mid twenties when your hormonal system has full developed

[VeniVidiVicci]

Do not cycle until your mid twenties when your hormonal system has full developed

Why? Aren't the only reasons of this due to the estrogen build up? Can't this be avoided with non-aromatizing compounds and AI?

[ottomaddox]

How about erectile dysfunction?

[Back In Black]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

[Times Roman]

Why? Aren't the only reasons of this due to the estrogen build up? Can't this be avoided with non-aromatizing compounds and AI?

obvious you have done zero research. this is an endless topic of debate. not sure I want to "reinvent the wheel" with you.

Invest a little time on your own researching this question of yours, and then let me know if you have any questions after that.

[VeniVidiVicci]

I have researched. And with proper PCT and cycle support, I don't see how non-aromatizing compounds are a threat to the endocrine system. How would you get erectile dysfunction?

[VeniVidiVicci]

Now that I have looked more into it, I see the possibility of messing up your testosterone. But how does being a young age make this more inevitable? If anything, won't you rebound faster at a younger age?

[ocman]

Do yourself a big favor and read the links that, "Back In Black" posted!

peace

[ppwc1985]

Now that I have looked more into it, I see the possibility of messing up your testosterone. But how does being a young age make this more inevitable? If anything, won't you rebound faster at a younger age?

It's not worth the few lbs your gonna put on and most likely lose. Your young, I would kill to have that much test in my body naturally. Change your workouts and find your ttde and eat.

[VeniVidiVicci]

It is not that much test naturally. Sure teens have more test than a 30 y/o man on average. But we only have like 100 mgs of test 150 max. I don't see anyone advocating test cycles of 100 mgs.

[Times Roman]

Now that I have looked more into it, I see the possibility of messing up your testosterone. But how does being a young age make this more inevitable? If anything, won't you rebound faster at a younger age?

I have researched. And with proper PCT and cycle support, I don't see how non-aromatizing compounds are a threat to the endocrine system. How would you get erectile dysfunction?

you went from zero research to having a faint idea that steroids can "messing up your testosterone" in only nine (9) minutes! Good for you!!

Don't let your eagerness get the better of you. Spend a week or two. Read. Think. Research. Employ your phenomenal powers of critical thinking that you possess. Take a scientific approach when investigating this issue.

Write down the benefits of cycling at your age, and then write down the risks associated not only with cycling, but cycling at too young an age, before your hormonal system is fully developed.

When it comes to your body and your health, use a cautious approach when making decisions.

Now, Mr. 9 minutes of research, go forth and educate! =)

[kapper]

Your 18 years old mate, seriously stop speculating everyone and start spectating! These people know what they are talking about, enjoy the fact that they care about your health! Reach your goals naturally for one its safer and secondly your in your prime your body will grow in front of your eyes with a decent amount of food and correct training methods

[VeniVidiVicci]

Your 18 years old mate, seriously stop speculating everyone and start spectating! These people know what they are talking about, enjoy the fact that they care about your health! Reach your goals naturally for one its safer and secondly your in your prime your body will grow in front of your eyes with a decent amount of food and correct training methods

None of them have answered my questions and are just saying regular old myths. Non-aromatizing compounds do not build estrogen and do stunt growth. And if anything becuase I am younger, I will bounce back to my regular test levels faster...

[kapper]

How are they myths?

If your shutdown your shutdown, whether is with test, anavar, tren etc... Therefore your messing with your natural hormone levels and at your age your body is still developing. Theres a possibility that your brain will think from the excess test in your blood that it has no need to produce it naturally for the rest of your life as its been tricked by your use of steroids... At your age the risk of that is higher... Plus your 18 if you can gain weight then theres a serious problem with your diet and training techniques

[EquilibriumZ]

How are they myths?

If your shutdown your shutdown, whether is with test, anavar, tren etc... Therefore your messing with your natural hormone levels and at your age your body is still developing. Theres a possibility that your brain will think from the excess test in your blood that it has no need to produce it naturally for the rest of your life as its been tricked by your use of steroids... At your age the risk of that is higher... Plus your 18 if you can gain weight then theres a serious problem with your diet and training techniques

^ that lolz
OP u have no idea what u are talking about. Estrogen and aromatizing is the LEAST of your problems.

[VeniVidiVicci]

That shutdown can happy to anybody. Why is it more of a rink for a youngin? I seriously don't think a cycle or two of epistane poses a huge threat.

[kapper]

Exactly that can happen to anyone.. And at your age the risk is higher!!!! I doubt ur eating enough anyway..... So good luck

[EquilibriumZ]

That shutdown can happy to anybody. Why is it more of a rink for a youngin? I seriously don't think a cycle or two of epistane poses a huge threat.

Ya for anybody over 25 is like 3% chance (HTPA has developed fully)

For 18 is like 70% chance (HTPA hasnt developed)

I know which one i would choose

The chance thing i just said is for 1 cycle. So do 2 and u are fked more
Now u understand?

[Nemlack]

One of the effects of steroids is that it will mature the growing cells in your bones, essentially stopping your height growth. One of the main reasons why you shouldn't do steroids until your early 20s is to wait until you have gained your full natural height. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this to you yet.

[Cravenmorehead]

Cycle for an 18 yo? Trek or Honda

[VeniVidiVicci]

Ya for anybody over 25 is like 3% chance (HTPA has developed fully)

For 18 is like 70% chance (HTPA hasnt developed)

I know which one i would choose

The chance thing i just said is for 1 cycle. So do 2 and u are fked more
Now u understand?

I think you are wrong. I have read that if anything, you will bounce back faster at a young age.

[VeniVidiVicci]

One of the effects of steroids is that it will mature the growing cells in your bones, essentially stopping your height growth. One of the main reasons why you shouldn't do steroids until your early 20s is to wait until you have gained your full natural height. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this to you yet.

Yes, this is for aromatizing compounds.

[Times Roman]

None of them have answered my questions and are just saying regular old myths. Non-aromatizing compounds do not build estrogen and do stunt growth. And if anything becuase I am younger, I will bounce back to my regular test levels faster...

That shutdown can happy to anybody. Why is it more of a rink for a youngin? I seriously don't think a cycle or two of epistane poses a huge threat.

I think you are wrong. I have read that if anything, you will bounce back faster at a young age.

Yes, this is for aromatizing compounds.

You stopped learning after the nine (9) minutes of research you made. Why?

Stop the arguing and start the learning. Read. Educate. Take a moment and examine some of the other threads created by teenagers such as yourself. consider the advice given there as well.

It seems you are more interested in winning an argument than in actually learning something.

Is that right?

[EquilibriumZ]

I think you are wrong. I have read that if anything, you will bounce back faster at a young age.

Nah i m 200% correct. Dont pull thoughts out of your ass.

But go ahead try it. You ll be small anyway. U mad?

[Cravenmorehead]

Anavar , I believe, is the only aas that will not close your growth plates.

[qscgugcsq]

The thing that you seem.to not understand, its you may bounce back faster than an older man.

The thing is that you may not bounce back.

If you bounce back, it will be faster.
But if you dont bounce back, well...you dont bounce back.

And at your ages their is higher risk to not recover. EVEN IF YOU PCT, EVEN IF YOU ARE ON A NON-AROMATIZING COMPOUND, EVEN IF YOU USE ANAVAR.

Plus, Even if you bounce back fast and well.
Your endocrine system wasnt done growing and you screwed with it...
You may be fine for few years and be totally normal like nothing never happens.
Even if you do one cycle, even if you recover well, their is an higher risk for your endocrine system to stop working ealier in your life.
Instead of being low test at 60Yo you may be low test at 30YO or sooner.

That is far from unseen.
Young man using gear early in life being fine for 3-10 years and at 25-30 getting erectile dysfonction and need TRT for life.
Unfortunately this is a common story.

But their is slight chance that you will be totally fine.
But im not a gambler and
5% chance against 95%... I would not risk it.

And to be clear, Im not telling you what to do. I dont ****ing care about you... I dont care about screwing yourself up. If you want to risk it, do it. But for the few youll gain and what you will be risking, statistically speaking, its a totally moronic descision.

You should listen to them...
They are good person(me im an asshole), they truly want good for you. And I know that you dont wanna listen, cause I was there.

I registered here at 19 YO ive past a whole year(even more) comming to that forum reading, stalking every post every day for hours on end.
I was obcess. I still am...
I must have past over 1000hours reading here to learn. During that year.
No need to say that made me cocky XD
I thought I knew everything, But im still learning...
I did what I thought(i still think it) was the best for me.
And right now at 21YO im on self-prescribed TRT cause my level are damn low. And that, for the rest of my life.
I dont regret it yet. Maybe one day ill do...

You take a risk... If you judge it worth it. By all means do it.
But be sure to know exactly what you are risking.
I knew it, I wasnt surprised.
And I dont know how many research youve done... But I can assure you that if you think you did enough, you havent done enough...

[ElGringo]

I think you are wrong. I have read that if anything, you will bounce back faster at a young age.

lol strong zeez quote...

[VeniVidiVicci]

lol strong zeez quote...

Fuaaa u mirin? These old kunts are just mad they didn't start early, with the right precautions.

[DrewZ]

LOL, I remember when I was 18.

The person you're quoting is 6' under - 'nuff said.

[ElGringo]

Fuaaa u mirin? These old kunts are just mad they didn't start early, with the right precautions.

not miring but amazed at your stupidity.
you probably found out about this guy not too long ago and now you're in love with him. he taught you doing steroids at a young age is amazing because you will turn into a god. you go out and start muzza dancing everywhere and saying umirin? and sikkunt and all that shit because you're in love with an already dead bodybuilder and you'd do anything to become like him. probably even thinking about getting a shit VeniVidiVici tattoo on your chest as soon as you reach an "aesthetic body". in reality you're just a faggot trying to act tough by doing steroids. so **** you. do whatever the **** you want to do. i'll be the first laughing when you look back in a couple years time and realize what a huge faggot you were

[VeniVidiVicci]

not miring but amazed at your stupidity.
you probably found out about this guy not too long ago and now you're in love with him. he taught you doing steroids at a young age is amazing because you will turn into a god. you go out and start muzza dancing everywhere and saying umirin? and sikkunt and all that shit because you're in love with an already dead bodybuilder and you'd do anything to become like him. probably even thinking about getting a shit VeniVidiVici tattoo on your chest as soon as you reach an "aesthetic body". in reality you're just a faggot trying to act tough by doing steroids. so **** you. do whatever the **** you want to do. i'll be the first laughing when you look back in a couple years time and realize what a huge faggot you were

LOL u mad? Did you not make it brah??

[ElGringo]

you say you are 170lbs 15%. how tall are you? what's your goal bodyweight?

[Back In Black]

Enough flaming gents.

And let's try to not post photo's of he who can not be named or else you're asking for trouble if he is your role model.

[EquilibriumZ]

Lol hes pretending to be trolling which is not working. Just ban him. U mad?

[Times Roman]

These "I'm 18 and doing steroids" threads are more trouble than they're worth sometimes.........

[thisAngelBites]

And to be clear, Im not telling you what to do. I dont ****ing care about you... I dont care about screwing yourself up. If you want to risk it, do it. But for the few youll gain and what you will be risking, statistically speaking, its a totally moronic descision.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this. In all these repetitive threads with the same argumentative kid time after time who already has his mind made up, and will come and be an abject dumbfvck unless people tell him what he wants to hear, I often wonder why they think people would spend their time trying to warn and explain about the risks of all this if it is not true.

Now this particular identikid thinks it's because people are jealous that they didn't start as early as he is going to. As if there is any. single. person. here whose life would be affected in any way by whether this kid does or does not start steroids. He may fantasise that people here are jealous, and think that if there is one more know-it-all kid walking around with an extra 15 pounds of muscle than he would have otherwise had, halfway around the world, then we suffer and are miserable, and that we would say any amount of nonsense in order to keep that from happening.

That's ridiculous, but then good reasoning is most obviously not the order of the day. But I wonder why more of these kids don't wonder why a bunch of adults, who they don't know, who don't individually give any shit about them, wastes their time trying to warn them about something, and doesn't wonder if there is actually anything being said worth taking seriously.

I'm constantly surprised by the utter lack of good thinking. I guess it's explained by the very emotional situation the kids are always in: wanting something desperately, not wanting to wait such that the future and risks are so grossly discounted. But still, why don't any of these kids wonder "None of these people know me. Why are so many warning me of danger? Maybe they have something to lose if I get huge. No, wait, that doesn't make any sense."

(Kid, if you were really a threat to any single one of us, we'd urge you to go ahead and take MORE AAS, younger and younger. We know then the chances of you being able to pass on your genes would be reduced, and then our quest for world domination would more quickly come to fruition. Bwaaa, haaa, haaaaa.)

[Times Roman]

^well said.

But you are using a rational argument with a boy driven only by emotion....

...doesn't work.

He wants what he wants what he wants....

....and he'll throw a tantrum at anyone that doesn't give him what he wants.

(you know what they say about averages and intelligence quotients, for every 115 out there..............)