Is Chubby the "NEW" Thin?

[Times Roman]

Just back from Tahoe. Was on the beach, looking at the ladies. I kept waiting to see some hotties, but nope!? where did they go? There were a few that thought they were a hottie based on their swim attire. But all I saw were chubbers.

So, I'm thinking to myself, "Is this what is to come for America? Is chubby the new thin?"

(a generation and a half ago, seeing an obese individual was something to make one stop and stare. Now, it is a common sight.)

So I'm sitting there on the beach, pondering.

Considering all the recent developments, and the feminization of the modern male, and chubbers now the new thin, will there come a point in time where sexual pursuit will become a thing of the past, and we as a specie will resort to artificial insemination as our primary means of reproduction? After all, it is testosterone that is the driving force behind sexual pursuit. If we left it to the ladies to hook up, birth rates would probably drop by 90%. And if the average testosterone levels are dropping, with the increase in the availability of porn, and the fairer sex no longer being as "fair" as they once were, does this mean men will have more of an apathetical approach to pursuing women?

[Joco71]

I sure hope not!! Especially for the younger generation.

[Hoggage_54]

[< <Samson> >]

It is damn near the new norm


Same shit in Vegas this summer. . . Damn near everyone is a fatty, or a semi fatty.


The good part about it, is that I am in super pristine shape according to their standards.


People just don't give a crap, eat shit & hardly do physical activity. It's just the way it is


I haven't been out of the US for over a decade, so I can't speak for other countries. But, here in the US fatties are on the rise. I swear like 60% of every day folk, if not more are "chubby". Watching my woman's little sisters grow up is kinda sad. They are bigger than her now. . . WTF?! I'm straight up, like stop fvcking eating. You are eating yourself into fatties. I am pretty damn certain their waists are bigger than mine.


Such BS

People don't need to be super juicers, but fvck - keep yourself in half decent shape.

[Times Roman]

I posed a basic question worthy of repeating..........

WILL ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION BECOME THE NEW NORM AS OUR PRIMARY MEANS OF REPRODUCTION?

[Joco71]

Ya, I hear what ur saying. I have nieces that are young teens and they are blowing up!! It is sad to see girls and boys like that. But they are usually a product of their environment. Fast food nation everything bad to eat has the easiest access.

[Joco71]

Not sure Roman , but I can tell you this I know a few couples that needed help having kids. Not sure if that pertains to what your saying.

[Times Roman]

I'm thinking that at some point, men will be apathetic about chasing after women.

two basic principles:

on average, testosterone levels dropping for men every year. The assumption is that there is a correlation between the desire to pursue sex and testosterone levels

(and the availability and technology of porn will become a competing source for women at some point)

and, on average, and to be real blunt, fat women just are not as attractive as thin women. Less attractive = less reason to pursue?

I mean, let's be real clear here. Am I the only one that has went on a blind date, and decided to "pass" on pursuing beyond a good night kiss because the lady was over weight?

[< <Samson> >]

The shitty part I suppose is that the competition for women/girls that look the part of competing for is going up. Look around, there's like 10 guys to one good looking female. Yet, fatties a plenty

[hawk14dl]

I've shown up to a blind date, and promptly left after meeting a whale that was supposedly "curvy".

Women these days have reclassified themselves. The typical obese build is now considered curvy, the women I'd call curvy are calling themselves ' athletic', and the truly athletic women consider themselves slender.

It's no longer acceptable to point out that someone is fat.
People have no pride anymore.

[Joco71]

Ya everything is politically incorrect!!

[GirlyGymRat]

I'm thinking that at some point, men will be apathetic about chasing after women.

Eventually you'll just pick the less fat option???

I know a guy who is great husband material and is being overlooked bc (I think) he's morbidly obese. Nice guy. Charming and Single. He could never date a gal who isn't thin. The irony.

[thisAngelBites]

Eventually you'll just pick the less fat option???

I think that's right. I mean, what happens to straight guys in prison? The sex drive just diminishes due to lack of what would normally be suitable partners?

Also, consider that what is constitutive of an attractive woman is at least in part socially derived. I understand we all think our taste is OUR taste, but at one time the Rubens-type women was the most desired type and at one time the Twiggy type was. The current ideal is low body fat with muscle definition, and both these previous notions of beauty are no longer attractive, just as low body fat with muscle definition was not attractive in those previous times. There are some pervasive traits that have always been valued (symmetry, appearance of healthiness as embodied in hair, etc.), but otherwise, what counts as feminine pulchritude clearly changes over time.

Lastly, I'll respond to your question in a contrarian way for the fun of discussion, and say that perhaps artificial insemination will become the reproductive norm, and that perhaps that is positive thing.

In addition to men's declining testosterone, isn't women's fertility declining? (I think it is, but have to wind this up bc I have to run and don't have time to check whether it's just older women's fertility that is declining, but I think more young women are requiring reproductive assistance than in the past - someone correct me if I am wrong) I am wondering whether both sexes are slowly marching towards artificial insemination.

And perhaps eventually having a populace that were desired children, whose parents made lots of time and resource investment in them would be an improvement over the current system, where lots of children are conceived accidentally, and are raised half-heartedly. Someone who made a related claim, btw, was Steven Levitt, economist of Freakonomics fame, who argued some past decreases in crime rates were due at least in part to legalised abortion.

[austinite]

Eventually you'll just pick the less fat option???

I know a guy who is great husband material and is being overlooked bc (I think) he's morbidly obese. Nice guy. Charming and Single. He could never date a gal who isn't thin. The irony.

He's "Husband Material" because he doesn't have a choice. His charm is all he's got. If he ever got in shape, I assure you it would be a different story.

[Docd187123]

I like my thick curvy girls. I'm an outcast from this thread

[tarmyg]

I think what most consider chubby I have learned is considered very healthy and normal here in my new home. When we moved here my wife lost some weight, not because she was trying to but the first two months were kind of insane in terms of work hours and trying to get her new lab started, students hired and so on. She was really happy about that part (Like most western women I think). She went to a party and met some people she had not seen in a while and their first statement was, "Wow, you lost some weight are you Ok?". Now, she had lost about 7lb and was not thin by any fitness standard I am aware of. It seems VERY different here in terms of what is and what is not attractive. Any skinny girls around here is going to have a hard time finding a husband who do not think there is something wrong with them.

As I am writing this my wife just came home told me she had a new weight story. Apparently she met with a prospective PostDoc today who told her that she "looks nice and plum". If she got that compliment back home she might have punched them in the face.

[tarmyg]

I like my thick curvy girls. I'm an outcast from this thread

You and me both :-) lol

[diesel101]

I am sitting on a beach in Jamaica right now looking around and chubby is the new thin because 90% of the string bikinis being worn should not be worn by the women wearing them. On the same note 90 percent of the men are overweight also and I don't mean just a few lbs overweight.

Just to clarify myself when I say they shouldn't wear them I am not being cruel I am just saying if you can't see the strings another option might have been better.

[Docd187123]

You and me both :-) lol

You and I against the rest of these guys Tarmy lol

[DCI]

I posed a basic question worthy of repeating..........

WILL ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION BECOME THE NEW NORM AS OUR PRIMARY MEANS OF REPRODUCTION?

Have you been watching demolition man again? As that is part of it etc lol

But I do see where you are coming from women seem to be too tide up with getting this some form unattainable man like they see on tv etc no one is that perfect imo so they have skew vision of what we should be. Then men are just I dunno, lost maybe, when was it cool to brag about having such shirt or shoes etc. What your post about mens fashion etc in that thread sums me up whats wrong with jeans and shirt and a decent pair of shoes etc now its all skinny jeans etc wtf.

The funny thing is I am of "this taking care of yourself generation" but literally I have no interest in this.

But back to the op yes every western society is getting fatter and lazier. Its hideous, it is the same over here more and more fat people wandering around stores filling their trollies full of crap and wondering why they are fat when they have zero self control etc

[GirlyGymRat]

He's "Husband Material" because he doesn't have a choice. His charm is all he's got. If he ever got in shape, I assure you it would be a different story.

i. don't know the circumstances but seems he gained alot of weight after an engagement was called off. He was in amazing shape and working out and quite attractive. He is extremely respectful, opens doors, and would pick me up at the door if I didn't choose to walk into the parking lot. His mom did a good job. I am concerned about his health, perhaps more then he is. :/

I guess I prove TRs theory.

[kelkel]

I think that's right. I mean, what happens to straight guys in prison?

They're not straight anymore....

I like my thick curvy girls. I'm an outcast from this thread

Chubby chaser....

[Times Roman]

well, let's face it. the demographics between walmart shoppers in Colorado and in California are stellar opposites.

Guys, I'm not talking 20 pounds overweight here. I'm talking women 180+ when they should be weighing 120. It's like they are 50% heavier than they should be.

So how does someone become physically attracted to a female that is so over weight, her waist size is bigger than her "chest" size?

I just have a real hard time with that.

I have absolutely no problem with a woman being heavy according to her BMI chart.

But what about rolls of fat? I'm sorry. that is so distasteful to me. even if she is a great person.

if she wants to be promoted from "great friend" v 2.2 to "girlfriend" v 1.0, she has to have some pride in her appearance, and there has to be some semblance of a feminine figure to her.

Being shaped like a pear or an apple doesn't cut it in my book............

............and back to my other point. If the women in my dating population all are shaped like watermelons..., I don't know.

Call me old fashioned. But I like my women to look feminine, not to grunt when they bend over to tie their shoes, and me be able to put my arms around them and actually have my hands touch

[tarmyg]

So you are not talking about chubby you are talking about fat people?

[Docd187123]

Chubby chaser....

I'm ok with that lol. Austin picks on me for it

[thisAngelBites]

Guys, I'm not talking 20 pounds overweight here. I'm talking women 180+ when they should be weighing 120. It's like they are 50% heavier than they should be.

I'm in agreement with you; I think obesity is a big crisis. And for what it's worth, 15 years ago in the UK you very, very rarely saw someone obese. And if you did see someone that overweight, if you got close enough to them to hear them speak, they were American.

Now obesity is commonplace here, and I regularly see people on mobility scooters that are on them because they are too uncomfortable when they walk (due to their size). If you go to a beach, almost all the men look perfectly normal from behind, but when they turn around there is a huge mass equivalent to an enormous watermelon that looks like was glued onto the front of them that is their gut. In the terms you used, their midsection is larger than their shoulders.

I go back and forth between the common lament that the issue is that people just aren't willing to deprive themselves of anything they want, and are greedy, and thinking it's a proper health issue, with these engineered foods hijacking people's brain chemistry in ways nature never anticipated such that people have an uphill battle to fight against it. Throw in something like depression and they don't have a chance. I don't know what the reason is, but it is dire indeed.

[davidtheman100]

I posed a basic question worthy of repeating..........

WILL ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION BECOME THE NEW NORM AS OUR PRIMARY MEANS OF REPRODUCTION?

I wouldn't go that far... lol

[Rwy]

I think people are less bashful about being fat nowadays. Its not easy or cheap to eat healthy nowadays. There is crap every where.

[DrewZ]

He's "Husband Material" because he doesn't have a choice. His charm is all he's got. If he ever got in shape, I assure you it would be a different story.

^ Yup
I was that person.

I still am that nice guy and I still don't get women.
Unfortunately the last 3 women I've had interest in are teaching me to be an asshole if I want to be desired.
However my girl "friends" swear there are women who want a nice guy and tell me not to change, I call bullsh1t.
That's my take anywho.

Sorry Roman, off topic a little.
I think you are on the right track with your thoughts, but I think we can turn this ship around. I hope anyways.

[hawk14dl]

I know quite a few women who are heavily overweight, and would not change it even if it were easy.

We've become a society of "be okay with who you are" and less "have some pride in yourself"

[DCI]

^ Yup
I was that person.

I still am that nice guy and I still don't get women.
Unfortunately the last 3 women I've had interest in are teaching me to be an asshole if I want to be desired.
However my girl "friends" swear there are women who want a nice guy and tell me not to change, I call bullsh1t.
That's my take anywho.

Sorry Roman, off topic a little.
I think you are on the right track with your thoughts, but I think we can turn this ship around. I hope anyways.

Agreed on all points, even did an experiment with a long time fwb, be nice to her no respect, be a dick and shes amazingly polite and actually wants to talk that makes me go crazy tbh

[kelkel]

If you go to a beach, almost all the men look perfectly normal from behind, but when they turn around there is a huge mass

Damn right.

[GirlyGymRat]

Damn right.

Wrong huge mass lol. A few inches higher lmbo

[600@50]

Part of the reason for obesity these days is that our food is not as nourishing as it used to be. Your body will crave what it needs but when you feed it all this genetically modified stuff made to grow fast and have very little nutrition in it your body is going to crave more and more. Then it gets all these empty calories and the cycle starts over again. Same thing with the meats nowadays. All loaded with hormones and crap. Were slowly killing our bodies with what we eat and don't even realize it.
Look at milk today. Years ago you had better drink before the expiration date or you'd be sorry. Today it's good a week or so past the date if you keep it cold. A lot of our food is picked green and hopefully it ripens on the way to the store.
Look a girls today. They "grow up" years ahead of the girls when I was in school. Men's test levels dropping too. The hormones used in our foods today are killing us.

[Kozmo]

Blame technology

[lovbyts]

Same here ins Seattle but we have always had a lot of whales who think they are hot.

I have been taking the daughter to Wildwaves hoping to do some sight seeing and as you said, most of them are chubby at best who are wearing and strutting in their bathing suits like they are running for Miss Teen USA.
But then the guys arent any better, not that I'm checking them out but I do compare myself and right now I'm not nearly in my top form but compared to 90%+ and we are not even talking about my age group, they are pathetic at best.

[Hoggage_54]

Where's Haz...?

[600@50]

Blame technology

Yeah here you go:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...utrition-loss/

http://www.motherearthnews.com/natur...#axzz39koIDodA

[kelkel]

Wrong huge mass lol.

Shhhh....

[Times Roman]

Have you been watching demolition man again? As that is part of it etc lol

But I do see where you are coming from women seem to be too tide up with getting this some form unattainable man like they see on tv etc no one is that perfect imo so they have skew vision of what we should be. Then men are just I dunno, lost maybe, when was it cool to brag about having such shirt or shoes etc. What your post about mens fashion etc in that thread sums me up whats wrong with jeans and shirt and a decent pair of shoes etc now its all skinny jeans etc wtf.

The funny thing is I am of "this taking care of yourself generation" but literally I have no interest in this.

But back to the op yes every western society is getting fatter and lazier. Its hideous, it is the same over here more and more fat people wandering around stores filling their trollies full of crap and wondering why they are fat when they have zero self control etc

never seen the show. it's new, right?

and no. not picking on the women, as the blokes are equally to blame. But what I am scratching my head about is if these low testosterone, very overweight men lose interest in chasing women, and instead find gratification watching porn or whatever the hell it is they do instead of chasing women, then at some point, the women that are not being chased are going to make a maternal decision that does not involve the baby daddy. And that means artificial insemination.

Is it going to come to this at some point?