How much test with tren enanthate???

[Bostonbwm]

Hello all!

I have tried a few cycles in the past 3 years. Test alone, text deca, test tren... This time I am running tren ena 115-120mg m/w/f and test 200mg m/f. I have run this tren once before with great results but only had one bottle at the time and my cycle was cut short after only 5 weeks. This time I have a nice bottle of T400 and two bottles of Tren Ena 200 from a very good and trusted supplier. I am about 10 days in and already starting to get strength gains and a bit of my favorite tren sides such as some light evening sweats ect. I actually love the sides! Crazy but to me this lets me know the tren monster is going to shred me lol. My question is how much test with the tren??? I have read 100 threads and 100 different amounts tren to test! The legit research I found doesnt show amounts via one versus the other. Right now I am about 350 Tren per week and 400 mg test per week. Will raising the test help with gains, avoid sexual disfunction ect? I am taking vitamin E and B6 as well to lower prolactin and anastrozole for estrogen. My stats are:

40 years old
193lb
5'11"
19%BF

Regards,

Boston

[Deal Me In]

You find different accounts because it's different for every person. I've only run Tren once and did it with low test and will never do it again. The results were great but I felt like crap and for me, using hormones is as much about quality of life as anything else. I will run Tren one more time next spring and will try it with a higher dose of test.

You will find people on here that do it both ways with varying degrees of success. To much of it depends on how you react and what you're looking for.

[Mp859]

I've ran it both ways with the results being almost exactly the same.

[thomasfreddy]

Those amounts seem fine to me

[Far from massive]

Most who have run it several times feel that there is no real need to run a lot of Test when running Tren. That is they feel the Tren will do the work so the only reason to run the Test is to replace the bodies natural supply which will of course be shut down as soon as the Tren is established.

As far as it being Tren E or Tren A this really has no effect on how much or how little Test is needed.

Many will say to just run a TRT or slightly higher level of test, typical numbers (of Test run) are around 200mg. However myself I have run Tren/Test cycles all different kinds of ways, using anywhere from a quarter the amount of Tren to Double the amount of Tren.

After all this I prefer to run a moderate dosage along the lines of what you have laid out. For me the only times I run a small dosage is when I am running a lot of compounds, particularly compounds like mast where a small dosage is not effective and the concentration is limited to 100mg per ml. In cases like these you need room in the syringe in cases like this I will limit Test to about 300mgs.

[Dougiefresh7707]

To be honest I don't think you should cycle your bf% is a little high to cycle.

[Athlete127]

All about trial and error. Boils down to preference. Your doses sound fine

[jumpoff12]

hey guys. 1st cycle, running 500 test e a week and 75mg tbol ed. Have been taking adex 0.5 eod since first injection with no sides what so ever until yesterday I had the day off work and was checking for lumps and noticed a small lump but not underneath the nipple nor on the areola, about 2 cm to the left of it. No other gyno sides what so ever, no puffiness nor itching or pain. This lump could have always been here for all I know. just curious if you guys think this is the onset on gyno or something else as I hate taking 1ml eod of adex as it drys my joints out will but will continue if you think its the start of gyno. thanks in advance for any input/help.

[Bostonbwm]

To be honest I don't think you should cycle your bf% is a little high to cycle.

Dougie,

I had just bulked up a bit with deca/test and now am using tren/test to cut. Only way I can seem to build chest/shoulders is to take on some fat at the same time. Last time I used tren/test for 5 weeks only gained 3 lbs and lost 3% body fat. I appreciate the advise, can you tell me why you dont think I should use this as a cutting cycle starting at 19%?

Regards,

Boston

[< <Samson> >]

can you tell me why you dont think I should use this as a cutting cycle starting at 19%?

More prone to sides & you can't really see your work

I am kinda the same way, but I'm not bulking past 14% or so any more - Fvck that


As far as doses - Just depends, I go heavy on test. So it comes out to 2 to 1 or so

Like my current cycle, 800mg of test to 400mg of tren e

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Dougie,

I had just bulked up a bit with deca/test and now am using tren/test to cut. Only way I can seem to build chest/shoulders is to take on some fat at the same time. Last time I used tren/test for 5 weeks only gained 3 lbs and lost 3% body fat. I appreciate the advise, can you tell me why you dont think I should use this as a cutting cycle starting at 19%?

Regards,

Boston

I am 55 and on TRT and I TRT at 140mg a week = 70mg every 3.5 days = est 700 Total Test and Estrogen at 29 . I get BW every 4 mths and I am stable even with Tren blast .

I will blast Tren @ 30mg daily and do hig reps and 4 to 5 set and lean up big time ! Just on TRT and Test alone I dropped 50 lbs and then gained back 20 lbs so I am 6 ft and 230lbs and fighting that last little 1/2 to 1/4 in of fat around my abs ? Got a 34in waist & been on TRT since Oct. of 2012 and had not been inside a gyn in 26 years ! So IMO if you are eating properly you should see great results !

I forget the name of te thread on this forum but it goes into detail about a member that is of the opinion that Test and Tren is all that is needed to cut and bulk at the same time and I tend to agree with that post ! All about nutrition and traing style !

My old a$$ get one hell of a rush on 30 mg a day and I will say the only negative is loosing porn star status ? Everything still works and functions just no more marathon session when blasting Tren and I run 50 mg of Deca weekly for joint pain all the time ! Still desire and still works just not 3 hrs to complete the task at hand on Tren more normal and still ready to go every 15 minutes for another round so at worst not bad

Tren makes me hard and cut and loose fat and I eat clean but not to the extent of exact macros target 60% protein 30% to 40% fats and few Carbs and this is year round maintains weight and I loose about 3 lbs of fat a mth. ! So agaain IMO Tren rules if you don't take to much ? To much Tren will be a real a$ kicker and you almost feel sick so IMO take the Acct. 1st and the enat. second because the Enat. will have a longer 1/2 life and you may only need 1/2 as much bit if you take to much Enath. and feel sick it may take a few days to get to feel level again ! I am only taking a small amount and see great results !

To add my goal is not to be huge but larger than normal and lean and vascular ? The combo works for me as an older man !

As far as the last part of your question , from what I have read on this form and from the sponsor the Tren is 10x's stronger that the Test and the Tren is doing the major body altering and from what I have read and experience everyone will be different but the amout of Test you run is to keep your sexual function where you want it so the best thread I read on Tren and Test was a guy running 80 mg of Tren a day and 50 mg of Test Cyp every 3.5 days and he seemed to be experienced and said any more Test was a waste of $$ ? I am sure if you search Tren threads you will be able to find the one . Plainly if 100mg of Test and you have preformance issues just raise the Test 50 mg a week , why waste $$$$$ As Kel preaches more is not better ! I wish I had saved the Tren Test Threan and the name of ot But it sold me on a simple run of just Test and Tren

[frank13]

I'd run my test ways low u only need it to keep your body working Correctly and I Personally feel that chances of sides are greatly decreased when running low test with tren I also feel like it just works better

[ScotchGuard02]

I normally run about 300mg/wk of Test and 400mg/wk or so of Tren. Has always worked well for me.

[GGot FFina?]

Dougie,

I had just bulked up a bit with deca/test and now am using tren/test to cut. Only way I can seem to build chest/shoulders is to take on some fat at the same time. Last time I used tren/test for 5 weeks only gained 3 lbs and lost 3% body fat. I appreciate the advise, can you tell me why you dont think I should use this as a cutting cycle starting at 19%?

Regards,

Boston

I too think its a waste unless you know how to diet and get your body fat percentage down. Im a bit confused when you say "im now using Test/Tren to cut"... Im guessing you believe this combo will get your body fat % down? I actually just cut while using the cycle you used to bulk (Test/Deca). The problem is that cutting is not done by the compounds you take but instead they are done in the kitchen. You can cut on anything and i believe a mistake you are making is trying to cut with different compounds instead of with your diet.
There is no reason why you should be at 19% BF and now doing another cycle to try to get your body fat percentage down. After you are done with this cycle, and PCT, start your diet. Get down to 12% and then do your next cycle. You will not believe the difference.

In my opinion, i would put together a good cutting diet, and guarantee you that you will be happier with 500mg/w of just Test, paired with a cutting diet, then any compound you continue to take and not diet.

Try it out dude, you will be surprised what a good cutting diet will give you that all these compounds haven't yet..

Good luck !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I'd run my test ways low u only need it to keep your body working Correctly and I Personally feel that chances of sides are greatly decreased when running low test with tren I also feel like it just works better

I have read several threads on this forum that go into detail and are of the same opinion as the above poster as I am Less $$$$ and less sides as stated Tren is about 10 x's stronger than Test as explained by the sponsor of the forum ! Soooo just saying more is not better get your gains from the Tren and only take enough Test to make your sex life rock thr Tren will make you hair stand on end and you will want sex so make sure you do not embarrass yourself , but IMO 140 mg a week sould do the trick at 70 mg every 3.5 days ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I get BW next mth and I am more concerned with RBC and Estrogen that Test level I have got Total test on about 700 and when I was on pain meds .5mg of Adew a week was fine but I can tell now something is not balanced and been clean of Opiates since Memorial Day ! I may need more Ai with sertonin rising in my Brain and BBAC also getting back to normal ?

[Buster Brown]

I think you are fine right about where you are running it at about 1:1. As you have read, there are many variations so there is no "the one". I think the 1:1 ratio is a good jumping off point at the dosages you stated to get a solid feeling for what the compounds do.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I think you are fine right about where you are running it at about 1:1. As you have read, there are many variations so there is no "the one". I think the 1:1 ratio is a good jumping off point at the dosages you stated to get a solid feeling for what the compounds do.

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[oldnsedentary]

193lb
5'11"
19%BF

If you can keep every last bit of lean tissue, all of it, every ounce, then you will need to drop down to 173 pounds to be at 9% bodyfat.

You have a lot of work cut out for you, and it is not going to happen in one tren cycle.

I would save the tren for your next (or third) cutting cycle. Just use 500 or 600 a week test this time, and start hitting that diet and cardio.

In direct answer to your question about high/low test with tren, I tried low test with tren and hated it. I liked higher test with tren.

[Bostonbwm]

Thanks for all of the great advise! I am about done with week 4 and am seeing great results from 1:1 ration of about 350/test 350/tren per week on an EOD schedule. Blocker for estrogen to be safe and vitamin B6 and E for prolactin protection. Already turned 2lbs into 2% less BF and still 6 weeks to go! I am of course dieting for this cutting cycle, I figured that was assumed when I said it was a cutting cycle. I know my BF is a bit high but couldnt resist riding the tren train! Night sweats have commensed and the fat is falling off with great strength gains! I will update in a couple of weeks.

On a side note, would there be more harm than benefit to add 100mg of Deca per week for joints???

Regards,

[ghettoboyd]

Thanks for all of the great advise! I am about done with week 4 and am seeing great results from 1:1 ration of about 350/test 350/tren per week on an EOD schedule. Blocker for estrogen to be safe and vitamin B6 and E for prolactin protection. Already turned 2lbs into 2% less BF and still 6 weeks to go! I am of course dieting for this cutting cycle, I figured that was assumed when I said it was a cutting cycle. I know my BF is a bit high but couldnt resist riding the tren train! Night sweats have commensed and the fat is falling off with great strength gains! I will update in a couple of weeks.

On a side note, would there be more harm than benefit to add 100mg of Deca per week for joints???

Regards,

no a lot of people run deca for joint relief during a tren cycle or any cycle for that matter so give it a go if you please...

[got fina?]

I usually run 300-500mg/w Test with Tren cycle and have seen amazing results from this dose. I usually will lower or raise it to 500mg/w (the most) depending on how I feel. I think everybody is different and its very important to listen to your body. There is no reason to go by a set number and because i never followed the dosages others suggested im still able to see great results, many cycles later at dosages that were suggested to me as a start cycle.

Good luck!

[Bostonbwm]

I usually run 300-500mg/w Test with Tren cycle and have seen amazing results from this dose. I usually will lower or raise it to 500mg/w (the most) depending on how I feel. I think everybody is different and its very important to listen to your body. There is no reason to go by a set number and because i never followed the dosages others suggested im still able to see great results, many cycles later at dosages that were suggested to me as a start cycle.

Good luck!

Thanks for he advice! You do 500 tren/ 300 test or vice versa? Almost done with tren cycle, prob two weeks left. Just started .25 caber every 4 days to combat a little limp dck. How long should I run just test after tren cycle before I start up a new stack? I run HCG off and on through cycles and post cycle as well.

[tectime]

no a lot of people run deca for joint relief during a tren cycle or any cycle for that matter so give it a go if you please...

You need to be cool running two 19 nors together. It can/will cause some very rough issues. Estrogen and prolactin much harder to control. Took a stout round of bromo for me last time I did.

[Bostonbwm]

You need to be cool running two 19 nors together. It can/will cause some very rough issues. Estrogen and prolactin much harder to control. Took a stout round of bromo for me last time I did.

Thanks for the tip. I decided to hold off on Deca because of concerns with running two 19nors. I am running caber now through at tail end of tren/test cycle. Nice benefits so far from caber!

[Roughneck82]

Thanks for he advice! You do 500 tren/ 300 test or vice versa? Almost done with tren cycle, prob two weeks left. Just started .25 caber every 4 days to combat a little limp dck. How long should I run just test after tren cycle before I start up a new stack? I run HCG off and on through cycles and post cycle as well.

Did you ever do BW or are you just shooting in the dark. Best way to know dose's for tren are the ones you know how to control your E2. The sides with tren are minimized when you have your test under control. I run test at 500mgs/week, tren at 400mgs/week. And I know that for me .3cc of Adex from AR-R everyday keeps my E2 perfect. So the sides are minimal, and the gains are better because not converting everything to estrogen.

[RigPig]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ly-thread.html

this is a pretty good read Boston...if you haven't already read it.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I am 55 and on TRT .

My normal protocall to be between 650 and 700 and E - 2 between 25 and 39 it fluxiates ? is :

60mg of Cypionate every 3.5 days
.25mg of Adex pharmaccy grade every 7 days
HCG 100 mcg EOD
50mg od Deca 1 x per week
Calias 10 mg a day

I was going to wait until Jan. but could not wait so I will not change my protical except possible add Adex and take .25 every 3.5 days

Going to add 30mg of Tren daily and try to add weight and loose fat at the same time ?