Revamp of first cycle, inc starting stats

[unattymatty]

Hey guys hope I got this in the correct area of the forums.

My stats:
Ex-natural competitor
24 years old
81kgs
<8% BF
171cms
Photos:
( It wont let me post them yet but PM me and i can share )

After learning more from other helpful users on these forums Ive completely redone my planned first cycle:
just after a bit of clarity and maybe help if I am forgetting something:

weeks 1-12 GP t-enanth 250: 0.3ml twice weekly - Sunday / Wednesday
weeks 2-12 GP Anastrozole (Arimidex): 1/4 tab ( 0.25mg ) - every second day

PCT
weeks 14-18 GP (Clomid) 75/50/50/50
weeks 14-18 GP (Nolva) 40/20/20/20

Can I use clen ( tabs ) while on a cycle? or should i only use this off cycle?
Can I think about using Tren with this cycle? - if so how should I implement it?

[unattymatty]

so I dont think i can even read my mailbox yet :/
sorry cant share photos

[Khazima]

No tren, AI from 1-14, I don't see why you'd want to use clen, utilise your first cycle for every ounce of muscle you can.

[unattymatty]

No tren, AI from 1-14, I don't see why you'd want to use clen, utilise your first cycle for every ounce of muscle you can.

Thanks Khazi,
I was planning to continue to follow my diet but with a very minor calorie surplus, right through the cycle. With clen as a method to help maintain the low BF% I am currently at.

But If it is not recommended I will wait till after my cycle to begin using it Thank you again

[khaled_mgsx]

your dosage from test 3ml per shot which means around 150-175 mg from test per week ??
if yes , i guess it is too low dosage .

and rethink about hcg.

hCG on Cycle: This has been a never ending battle on every forum on the internet. I'd like to explain a few things about its benefits on cycle vs. post cycle. Hopefully this will help you make a more informed decision on how and when to administer hCG . So let's get started...

When does suppression occur? Does it happen on cycle, or post cycle? As little as 10 minutes of research will tell you that suppression occurs ON CYCLE, not post cycle. You don't get shut down after your cycle is over. So wouldn't it make more sense to do something about while it's happening, rather than attempting to fix a problem that's been broken for 12 or so weeks? Of course it does!!!

Do not make an attempt at planning an hCG "Blast" after your cycle is done. This is an old school method and while it may help, it certainly is not the ideal way to handle this situation. You're in much better hands if you run hCG on cycle so that you can prevent testicular atrophy, mimic your suppressed luteinizing hormone and keep that natural testosterone factory in business. All these things add up to a faster, more efficient recovery. I've said this a million times before and I'll say it again here. hCG is your seatbelt. Does it make sense to wear your seatbelt after you get in a wreck? Of course not! So wear your seatbelt for the ride.

[Khazima]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[unattymatty]

Many thanks guys

- I will up it to 1ml twice weekly for the 250mg, I will also shorten my cycle to 10weeks
- I had originally intended to use a Hcg but after reading a few other guides it was suggested only to use Hcg post cycle if needed
- I'll go back to my original plan and include it in my cycle as it seems to be the general consensus on these forums

I cant thank either of you 2 enough!

[Khazima]

Many thanks guys

- I will up it to 1ml twice weekly for the 250mg, I will also shorten my cycle to 10weeks
- I had originally intended to use a Hcg but after reading a few other guides it was suggested only to use Hcg post cycle if needed
- I'll go back to my original plan and include it in my cycle as it seems to be the general consensus on these forums

I cant thank either of you 2 enough!

You're welcome bro, this is easily the most informed experienced forum with the least bullshit flying around on the internet.

Test for 10 weeks is a bit short, and 1ml twice a week of test e 250 is 500mg. You could run 400mg a week if buying a 3rd vial is what you're worried about.

The first cycle guide is ideal, I'd suggest following it to the letter, except for the dose changing to 400mg p/w for 12 weeks.

[unattymatty]

You're welcome bro, this is easily the most informed experienced forum with the least bullshit flying around on the internet.

Test for 10 weeks is a bit short, and 1ml twice a week of test e 250 is 500mg. You could run 400mg a week if buying a 3rd vial is what you're worried about.

The first cycle guide is ideal, I'd suggest following it to the letter, except for the dose changing to 400mg p/w for 12 weeks.

That was indeed what I was worried, about I live in Australia and was worried about my gear getting seized.
i'll get the 3rd vial tho, and up the dose to 300mg per ( 600mg weekly ) while keeping it at 12 weeks ( I'd just like to be as cost effective as possible )

[Khazima]

That was indeed what I was worried, about I live in Australia and was worried about my gear getting seized.
i'll get the 3rd vial tho, and up the dose to 300mg per ( 600mg weekly ) while keeping it at 12 weeks ( I'd just like to be as cost effective as possible )

Looks good bro, I'm from aus too, buy domestic if you can.. It's so expensive here so I get where you're coming from haha.

Lay out your new plan in this thread when you've figured out exactly what you're going to do.

[unattymatty]

Update:
changes once again but learning a lot!

Cycle:
1-12 supertest 750 (UG) - a bit scared of using unlabelled, but struggling to find source in my rural area.
0.8ml twice weekly sunday / wednesday

1-14 LiquidDex ( liquid arimidex ) - I believe to be taken orally? 1ml = 1mg dont know how i will go with drinking 0.25ml, might try do 0.5ml on same days I pin

PCT

14-18 Liquid Tamox 40 / 20 / 20 / 20
14-18 Liquid Clomi 75 / 50 / 50 / 50

waiting on arrival of PCT and AI, still trying to obtain HCG - would I be silly to consider running this cycle without this?

[Khazima]

Update:
changes once again but learning a lot!

Cycle:
1-12 supertest 750 (UG) - a bit scared of using unlabelled, but struggling to find source in my rural area.
0.8ml twice weekly sunday / wednesday

1-14 LiquidDex ( liquid arimidex ) - I believe to be taken orally? 1ml = 1mg dont know how i will go with drinking 0.25ml, might try do 0.5ml on same days I pin

PCT

14-18 Liquid Tamox 40 / 20 / 20 / 20
14-18 Liquid Clomi 75 / 50 / 50 / 50

waiting on arrival of PCT and AI, still trying to obtain HCG - would I be silly to consider running this cycle without this?

Is the super test a mix like sust? If it has prop you need to pin EOD to keep blood levels stable.

Just take .25mg EOD of adex unless you start having estro problems.

HCG is ideal I'm sure the more experienced members on the forum would certainly say not to cycle without it.

[unattymatty]

Is the super test a mix like sust? If it has prop you need to pin EOD to keep blood levels stable.

Just take .25mg EOD of adex unless you start having estro problems.

HCG is ideal I'm sure the more experienced members on the forum would certainly say not to cycle without it.

I believe so; it is a 5 ester test from what i am told.
Yes prop is in it, I was told I could still keep the every 3 days pin due to prop being in a very lose dose amount - its unlabelled and most likely home made so exact mg of each ester is unknown to me - which i don't feel comfortable with

I have no problem dropping the dose to 0.4ml and pinning EOD tho id prefer take advice from these forums.

I want to be safe and smart about it all so i'll hold off until i can source either HCG or a Pharma grade laballed enanth

Thanks for your help again Khazima!

[Khazima]

I believe so; it is a 5 ester test from what i am told.
Yes prop is in it, I was told I could still keep the every 3 days pin due to prop being in a very lose dose amount - its unlabelled and most likely home made so exact mg of each ester is unknown to me - which i don't feel comfortable with

I have no problem dropping the dose to 0.4ml and pinning EOD tho id prefer take advice from these forums.

I want to be safe and smart about it all so i'll hold off until i can source either HCG or a Pharma grade laballed enanth

Thanks for your help again Khazima!

It's ideal to be labelled but with underground labs you don't know anyway.
EOD is your best bet but if you're ok with holding off until you get test e that'd he even better, and good choice on the hcg.

No problem bro