Tbol Vs. Dbol and 3rd Cycle Help!

[Swoleroid]

I'm new to the forums here but about to start my 3rd cycle and have responded well to low dosages ( I guess some people are just blessed or have strong gear ) I'm thinking about doing either Tbol 50mg Ed or Dbol 30mg 6-8 weeks Ed with test ethanate at 350mg a week 10-12 weeks but very skeptical of the two as far as the quality of the gains are. I don't want to do dbol when I could do tbol and get less liver toxicity, and use my ai less, but don't want to risk the extra possibility of 4-7 more pounds I could end up getting after PCT on Dbol rather than if I used Tbol. I guess I'm asking people's experiences on Tbol vs. Dbol on cycle and after cycle as far as the quality of muscle goes. And whether I should possibly end up stacking something like Primo or tren eth with Tbol for more mass and hardness or riding out Dbol's bloat until the PCT ends to see if it's better quality gains. Also, is N2guard a necessity with orals or is high dosed milk thistle "good enough?"

Stats:
4 years lifting, 25
5'5 176 ( fast metabolism ) BF: 13%
Blood work in check
Strict diet and protein supplements on hand along with other dietary supplements such as multi vitamins etc.

[magic32]

Firstly, 350 mg of Enth is scant, especially for a third cycle. Looks like you have all the facts on Tbol and Dbol, so it's a judgment call, don't be so afraid to make it.

Secondly, it sounds like you're over-analyzing the whole scenario. Instead of trying to see just how low a dosage you can respond to, which of course hinders gains, just run the basic novice cycle (500 mg of Test only)...should have been cycle #1.

[PistolPete33]

I agree with Magic32. I don't understand that you want to maximize your gains but only run Test at 350mg/week but you're talking about adding Tren??? Bump the test to 500mg/week and either choose Tbol or Dbol. Both are good and similar but different. I chose Tbol because I would rather less bloat and it's a great compound.

[Swoleroid]

I was just saying 350mg as of now because that's all I have but I can get another vial before I start and bump up to 500 mg a week guys. I'm more so trying to find out from people's experiences with both compounds whether which one is more gains for your buck after PCT is over. I basically want more weight but to be kept after cycle, I don't want it all being just bloat. After a Dbol cycle is finished, could you conclude running Tbol ( without the bloat ) after PCT would of given you close to the same or better gains than Dbol did/would have? Taking Tbol or Dbol isn't a problem taking them as far as sides go because I know they're great orals but Im thinking about the gains after cycle rather than the gains while Im on.

[PistolPete33]

I think the difference will be so insignificant that you're looking for the magic pill. What you gain/keep during and after cycle will depend more on your diet and training regime than if you use Tbol or Dbol. Upping to 500mg/week of Test will yield better results than switching from Tbol to Dbol or vice versa. Either oral will work great provided it's from a quality source. Your diet/training will dictate everything else.

[bifda]

Tbol every time, ran both and tbol is king.
But.......everyone's different.

[Juced_porkchop]

I'm new to the forums here but about to start my 3rd cycle and have responded well to low dosages ( I guess some people are just blessed or have strong gear ) I'm thinking about doing either Tbol 50mg Ed or Dbol 30mg 6-8 weeks Ed with test ethanate at 350mg a week 10-12 weeks but very skeptical of the two as far as the quality of the gains are. I don't want to do dbol when I could do tbol and get less liver toxicity, and use my ai less, but don't want to risk the extra possibility of 4-7 more pounds I could end up getting after PCT on Dbol rather than if I used Tbol. I guess I'm asking people's experiences on Tbol vs. Dbol on cycle and after cycle as far as the quality of muscle goes. And whether I should possibly end up stacking something like Primo or tren eth with Tbol for more mass and hardness or riding out Dbol's bloat until the PCT ends to see if it's better quality gains. Also, is N2guard a necessity with orals or is high dosed milk thistle "good enough?"

Stats:
4 years lifting, 25
5'5 176 ( fast metabolism ) BF: 13%
Blood work in check
Strict diet and protein supplements on hand along with other dietary supplements such as multi vitamins etc.

bloat it bloat, goes away after stopping. and holding extra water in the muscle might actually help gains. id say its more do you care if your a bit puffy while on dbol or not. unless going on stage it doesnt really matter. i would worry more about estrogen. If you have an AI during cycle anyway (as you should IMO) then i still see no issue. tbol and dbol gains are much alike minus the bloat, but i would lean towards dbol for better gains.

[Swoleroid]

I'm not worried about the bloat because I do have an AI, I'm just trying to figure out which ones better for gains post cycle with diet in check, around 300-400 over maintenance. It just sounds like its such a 50/50 toss up between Dbol and Tbol on which is better/more gains for your money? My next cycle will be an Anavar, Primo, and Test Eth if that gives a better background for what you guys think in your opinions on what's best.

[Buster Brown]

If you are bulking then go with dbol, if you are cutting go with tbol. Use the water weight to your advantage while on cycle. What you keep post cycle has to do with your diet and not overtraining but mostly your genetics .

[Swoleroid]

The weight from bloat is only an advantage while on cycle. Which is better for yielding more weight comparing the two after the cycle is completed?

[Swoleroid]

I'm going with Dbol guys for many reasons! It's time for winter bulking so there's no sense in buying something more expensive to get less bloat when the degree of bloat you get is determined from your use of being on cycle with or without an AI, your sodium intake, diet, and your body's frame and bf% before getting into the cycle. If you plan accordingly and are already fairly lean to begin with then there's no room for error, especially when using an AI and wanting mass to begin with because it'll still compare to nothing like Anadrol or Superdrol. Tbol is more categorized with Anavar IMO because of the hard look and steady gain, rather than quickness Dbol can give despite its bloat, and liver toxicity which can be fixed with your preparation before cycle. I appreciate all the help and opinions! I can't wait to see what I can get out of this cycle!

[austinite]

Tbol is identical to Dbol, with the exception of estro sides that dbol possesses. Personally, I find it logical to use Tbol instead.

[Buster Brown]

I'm going with Dbol guys for many reasons! It's time for winter bulking so there's no sense in buying something more expensive to get less bloat when the degree of bloat you get is determined from your use of being on cycle with or without an AI, your sodium intake, diet, and your body's frame and bf% before getting into the cycle. If you plan accordingly and are already fairly lean to begin with then there's no room for error, especially when using an AI and wanting mass to begin with because it'll still compare to nothing like Anadrol or Superdrol. Tbol is more categorized with Anavar IMO because of the hard look and steady gain, rather than quickness Dbol can give despite its bloat, and liver toxicity which can be fixed with your preparation before cycle. I appreciate all the help and opinions! I can't wait to see what I can get out of this cycle!

At some point you should try both. Reading what it does is one thing (and of course it ALWAYS pays to do your homework) but real life experience is the only way you will know how these two compounds are going to affect you. Best of luck.