Want to give HGH a GO - Anti-Aging purposes....Thoughts?

[Keep_It_Moving]

about to be 30 years old
train hard with HIIT
5'9" 169lbs - trying to lose a few extra pounds...

I currently take medication which include Valium, Remeron and Trazodone
Tapering off the Valium slowly with doctor but take the R and Traz at night to help with my insomnia/anxiety/depression...

Have T levels between 400-600 varies by day

My question is the following...

I would like to try HGH to prevent anti- (I'm 30 at the end of the year but look mid 30's, have dry skin, fine wrinkles and lack the skin quality I used to have and have sleep disturbances/ low libido) and to help with my overall physique/skin quality/mood/deep sleep/etc...

I've contacted a clinic that will prescribe and it will be pharma (reputable clinic in Florida that is one of the largest orgs) and I'll have to shell out the $$$ but I'll do it if the pros outweight the cons...

What is a set up plan? 5 days of 1-3iu's a day with 2 days off and continue or is it run 7 days/week with a break after 11 months of use? I'm a little new to this but any information would be helpful... I don't want to use it for huge bodybuilding purposes but mainly for overall health and anti-aging....

Any thoughts or knowledgeable references/ suggestions?

Thank you kindly

[Mp859]

It would be worth it for anti aging. But it is going to cost you a fortune.

[Keep_It_Moving]

It would be worth it for anti aging. But it is going to cost you a fortune.

Considering cost not being an issue....

Is there a typical dose for anti-aging? I think BB users go really high like 10+
What would someone who would want anti-aging/ slight BB improvements use? I realize this isn't a one size fits all but dose that wouldn't strike side effects?

[musclestack]

From all I have read, 2-3 iu of pharma grade HGH is ideal for anti-aging purposes. Don't expect to gain significant size, if any, on this dosage when run alone. Also (from what I've researched), there is no need to run 5 on/2 off. The only reason people do this is to cut the cost of running HGH by roughly 30%. If money is an issue, then it's not a bad way to go, but if it's not, then run it everyday.

MS

[Times Roman]

I've been doing a rethink.

take a look at the benefits attributable to GH in an anti-aging context.

now do the same for testosterone replacement therapy.

See any similarities?

Let me know what you think?

[Keep_It_Moving]

I see where you are going with the TRT or hgh
But I'm not necessarily low in t per say....

Wouldn't hgh provide the optimal benefits I'm particularly looking for?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but balancing trt seems like much more of an ordeal
Correct dosage, constant blood draws, follow ups, estrogen management....

I could be under the presumption that hgh is a one shot cure all.... This could be to me being new to this side of the town

I've ran a cycle before and had success but also has estrogen problems and now have minor gyno, egh it doesn't bother me...

Does anyone have any input on what avenue I should take here... I'm really trying to keep an open mind

[Keep_It_Moving]

Any actual beneficial articles about hgh for anti aging that aren't supported by clinics?

[Buster Brown]

I only have personal experience with hgh and trt. I have used hgh on its own. TRT and hgh together and just trt. I feel that trt has made all the difference in the world, not hgh. My wrinkles are still there, hairline the same but I feel great and I am able to keep my size and strength....

[Keep_It_Moving]

So from your experience Trt is preferable over hgh for anti aging?

Thanks for the reply.

[Buster Brown]

So from your experience Trt is preferable over hgh for anti aging? Thanks for the reply.

That is def my opinion.

[Keep_It_Moving]

Thank you for your input. Does anyone have any other opinions or experiences?

[thisAngelBites]

Have you had your thyroid checked? There are many stories of people with insufficient thyroid hormone who found their depression lifted with addition of T4 or T3 (and dry skin is a symptom of being hypothyroid as well). They will want to check your TSH, but you also need to know your free T3 and free (not total) T4 levels.

[Times Roman]

I see where you are going with the TRT or hgh
But I'm not necessarily low in t per say....

Wouldn't hgh provide the optimal benefits I'm particularly looking for?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but balancing trt seems like much more of an ordeal
Correct dosage, constant blood draws, follow ups, estrogen management....

I could be under the presumption that hgh is a one shot cure all.... This could be to me being new to this side of the town

I've ran a cycle before and had success but also has estrogen problems and now have minor gyno, egh it doesn't bother me...

Does anyone have any input on what avenue I should take here... I'm really trying to keep an open mind

well, most that are considering the anti-aging protocols are typically older as opposed to younger. and for them, low T is common. So by taking the optimal amount of T, there are certain benefits bestowed me by doing so. But when I look at the benefits of GH, I see many similar benefits.

So for those already taking T, adding GH may not provide significant benefits they are not already receiving.

Additionally, there are other detriments to taking GH

These two are significant:

Cost
Securing a legit source

Now spin this around and look at it another way.

Say I had decent natty T and was trying to decide between the two

yes, T replacement is more involved. No doubt.

if we lived in a perfect world, I'd be stacking GH along with my exo T. But it's not. So I won't.

And the benefits I receive from my TRT protocol are significant. Most blokes my age look pretty run down. out of shape, big gut. fat face. looking old.

lot to think about........

---Roman

[Bonaparte]

Have you had your thyroid checked? There are many stories of people with insufficient thyroid hormone who found their depression lifted with addition of T4 or T3 (and dry skin is a symptom of being hypothyroid as well). They will want to check your TSH, but you also need to know your free T3 and free (not total) T4 levels.

^^ Listen to her.

[Times Roman]

^^ Listen to her.

I do. When she says something, well thought out and grounded.

[Keep_It_Moving]

I have had them checked and hey vary

One doc said I was sub clinic hypo
But my results vary

I think the highest number was 4.62 before just slightly outside of range.

I hear being hypo should be in the 6-10 range?

[MIKE_XXL]

By no means am i an expert on GH use however in my opinion there is another reason to take GH 5 on 2 off, GH has a tendency to lower insulin sensitivity, to avoid the issues associated with a long term disruption of glucose metabolism i always recommended 5-on regiment...

[Keep_It_Moving]

So a 5 day on and 2 days off
I'm 29
Take valium and remeron for anxiety and sleep issues

Any suggestions on dosage for maintaining youth and not getting side effects?

Remeron is supposed to suppress cortisol level by like 50% or soemthing I hear....
The Valium makes me bloated but I'm doing a slow taper with my doc cuz I want off these benzos....

If all else fails I will go with trt as others have suggested.....

[thisAngelBites]

Subclinical hypothyroidism usually means you are on your way to being hypothyroid, but they want to wait until you get a little worse until they bother to treat you.

Dry skin in a 29 yo male sounds like a symptom of hypothyroidism to me, and your other symptoms may be attributable to hypothyroidism as well. It is also likely that your elevated TSH is reflecting a lack of sufficient thyroid hormone due to hypothyroidism. If your TSH was 4.62 and you were 100% feeling fine and healthy, I would not bother with it, but 4.62 plus symptoms of hypothyroidism is very likely to be hypothyroidism.

I can see you are extremely interested in growth hormone, but thyroid hormone affects so many systems of the body that you really should sort it out first. You can find a doctor who will help to honestly evaluate whether your situation warrants treatment, and will do the proper work up on you here: Thyroid Disease Top Doctors Directory

Also, there is a lot of disagreement about what level of TSH is acceptable before saying that someone is hypothyroid. There are countries and doctors where you need to have a TSH of 8 in order to be considered hypothyroid, and others that think unless your TSH is under 3 (or even 2), you are hypothyroid, and make treatment decisions based on thyroid hormone levels. You may also have an autoimmune thyroid condition, but you would need to be tested for antibodies in order to determine that.

[musclestack]

By no means am i an expert on GH use however in my opinion there is another reason to take GH 5 on 2 off, GH has a tendency to lower insulin sensitivity, to avoid the issues associated with a long term disruption of glucose metabolism i always recommended 5-on regiment...

Interesting. Never heard of that before. I'll be looking into this more. Thanks, Mike!

[Keep_It_Moving]

Thanks for providing this information, but I have Anthem Blue Cross and would need to go through insurance. I had a kick ass endo but we parted ways a long time ago... This new one sucks, spends less than 40 seconds with me and I pay $40 per visit. She doesn't even test all the T3, T4, and TSH every time. I usually have to remind her to check mark the boxes.

Anyone know of some endo's in the bay area, primarily near east bay?

[Keep_It_Moving]

So has anyone on this forum used HGH for anti-aging? I can't imagine I'm the only one who has thought about this....

?

[lovbyts]

Yes, I used it for about 1 year or a little longer. There is one main reason to use it 5 on, 2 off. $$$$ That is really the only reason. The main reason I stopped was also $$$$. Mine was through RX and I used only 1iu a day, most of the time but for a while I used 2-3iu.

I never really noticed any skin change, just felt better, more energy and weight loss. I also started HRT about 6 months before the HGH so I cant contribute it all to HGH. If it was me (and it has been) I would not go the generic route.

I'm sure you have heard and read how most all the HGH on the market except for RX is fake. Even if some how you manage to find some that is real or at least partially real they will eventually start selling bogus and you wont know until you have been injecting some mystery peptide into yourself.

As for a doctor or endo yeah a good one is hard to come by. You might be better off going to an anti aging clinic because they tend to be more through and check everything including E2. If you are lucky you may even find one that sells HGH but due to your age it might be a hard sell.

[Rida5d]

there was a thread some time ago regarding this subject
looks like a guy had some benefits from GH over trt ..
i never tried GH but i am interested also

check this out

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...ml#post6799626

[greenwell001]

Kinda off topic, but the best thing you can do for yourself is get off the benzo's.

[Keep_It_Moving]

Kinda off topic, but the best thing you can do for yourself is get off the benzo's.

I'm currently doing a slow taper off them, that's number one right now... i think the benzo's are hindering my natural hgh....
i was prescribed .5mg Clonazepam in the am for many years, then starting having anxiety/insomnia and started taking .25mg am and .25-.5mg pm and that just screwed me all up... i did this cross over to valium because clonazepam is damn near impossible to wean off of due to its potency and inability to cut 10% doses. so this is in the works now....

benzos suck! wish i never took it to begin with.

[Keep_It_Moving]

Yes, I used it for about 1 year or a little longer. There is one main reason to use it 5 on, 2 off. $$$$ That is really the only reason. The main reason I stopped was also $$$$. Mine was through RX and I used only 1iu a day, most of the time but for a while I used 2-3iu.

I never really noticed any skin change, just felt better, more energy and weight loss. I also started HRT about 6 months before the HGH so I cant contribute it all to HGH. If it was me (and it has been) I would not go the generic route.

I'm sure you have heard and read how most all the HGH on the market except for RX is fake. Even if some how you manage to find some that is real or at least partially real they will eventually start selling bogus and you wont know until you have been injecting some mystery peptide into yourself.

As for a doctor or endo yeah a good one is hard to come by. You might be better off going to an anti aging clinic because they tend to be more through and check everything including E2. If you are lucky you may even find one that sells HGH but due to your age it might be a hard sell.

ive spoken with an anti-aging clinic and i have to get a bunch of stuff tests, cmb, psa, igf-1 etc...

they offer hgh and trt if needed.. i suppose the recommended (from what i gather) is 1.2-2.0iu/day 5 dasy on 2 days off taken in the am sub q?

id hate to make this huge investment and only see minimal results...
does anyone on here use a low dose of hgh? seems like its still kinda new?

thanks for the reply

[Keep_It_Moving]

Yes, I used it for about 1 year or a little longer. There is one main reason to use it 5 on, 2 off. $$$$ That is really the only reason. The main reason I stopped was also $$$$. Mine was through RX and I used only 1iu a day, most of the time but for a while I used 2-3iu.

I never really noticed any skin change, just felt better, more energy and weight loss. I also started HRT about 6 months before the HGH so I cant contribute it all to HGH. If it was me (and it has been) I would not go the generic route.

I'm sure you have heard and read how most all the HGH on the market except for RX is fake. Even if some how you manage to find some that is real or at least partially real they will eventually start selling bogus and you wont know until you have been injecting some mystery peptide into yourself.

As for a doctor or endo yeah a good one is hard to come by. You might be better off going to an anti aging clinic because they tend to be more through and check everything including E2. If you are lucky you may even find one that sells HGH but due to your age it might be a hard sell.

i did a repost, sorry.

[Keep_It_Moving]

there was a thread some time ago regarding this subject
looks like a guy had some benefits from GH over trt ..
i never tried GH but i am interested also

check this out

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...ml#post6799626

good thread, thank u

[kelkel]

Have T levels between 400-600 varies by day

How about starting with thorough Blood work to include a complete thyroid work-up like suggested many times above.
I'm curious what your Free T level is. Total T as listed means nothing.

[Keep_It_Moving]

Hey kel

I was hoping you were going to chime in
I will post all bloodwork for the past year once I get home this evening

I believe a few of them have free t and my thyroid in there....

[HEAVY IN THE GAME]

about to be 30 years old
train hard with HIIT
5'9" 169lbs - trying to lose a few extra pounds...

I currently take medication which include Valium, Remeron and Trazodone
Tapering off the Valium slowly with doctor but take the R and Traz at night to help with my insomnia/anxiety/depression...

Have T levels between 400-600 varies by day

My question is the following...

I would like to try HGH to prevent anti- (I'm 30 at the end of the year but look mid 30's, have dry skin, fine wrinkles and lack the skin quality I used to have and have sleep disturbances/ low libido) and to help with my overall physique/skin quality/mood/deep sleep/etc...

I've contacted a clinic that will prescribe and it will be pharma (reputable clinic in Florida that is one of the largest orgs) and I'll have to shell out the $$$ but I'll do it if the pros outweight the cons...

What is a set up plan? 5 days of 1-3iu's a day with 2 days off and continue or is it run 7 days/week with a break after 11 months of use? I'm a little new to this but any information would be helpful... I don't want to use it for huge bodybuilding purposes but mainly for overall health and anti-aging....

Any thoughts or knowledgeable references/ suggestions?

Thank you kindly

Im over 40 and use hgh for anti-aging purposes so I can give you a real perspective. I did Saizen 4iu/day from the pharmacy and found it worthless, the norditropin is good. Those anti-aging clinics you go into charge a huge premium! The best thing is get educated on hgh and use it correctly. Stay away from the Chinese crap and only use US pharm grade. You will need 2-4iu/day, and a little test will go a long way. Use prop not a long acting ester. PM me if you need more help.

[Keep_It_Moving]

How about starting with thorough Blood work to include a complete thyroid work-up like suggested many times above.
I'm curious what your Free T level is. Total T as listed means nothing.

This is what I could gather from my records.....
10/15/14
e2 sensitive 42 <=29
TSH 4.62 0.40-4.5
T4, Free 1.1 0.8-1.8
T3 Total 85 76-181
Total Test 617 250-1100
Free Test 91.9 46-244
Tes BioAvail 185 110-575
SHBG 31 10-50
Albumin 4.4 3.6-5.1

10/17/14
Bun 21 8-24
Creatinine 0.6 0.5-1.5
eGFR 169 >60
Albumin 4.6 8.2-10.4
ALT 25 9-41
AST 21 12-45
Total Bilirubin 0.7 0.3-1.5
Total Protein 6.8 5.8-7.8
ALK phosphate 55 30-103

6/6/14

BUN 18 8-24
Creatinine 0.9 0.5-1.5
eGFR 128 >60
Albumin 4.6 3.8-5.5
ALT 19 9-41
AST 23 12-45
Total Bilrubin 0.5 0.3-1.5
Total Protein 6.7 5.8-7.8

5/5/2014

e2 sensitive 14 <=29
TSH 2.88 0.4-4.5
T4 Free 1.0 0.8-1.8
Total T 477 250-1100
Free T 61.6 46-224
Test BioAvail 132 110-575
SHBG 34 10-50
Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1

2/21/2014

e2 sensitive 29 <=29
total Test 594 250-1100
Free Test 79.4 46-224
Test BioAvail 170.2 110-575
SHBG 34 10-50
Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1

4/19/2013

BUN 29 7-25
Creatinine 1.26 0.6-1.35
eGFR 77 >=60
Total Protein 7.5 6.1-8.1
Albumin 4.8 3.6-5.1
AST 31 10-40
Total Bilrubin 0.7 0.2-1.2
ALT 29 9-60

1/2/2013

BUN 30 7-25
Creatinine 1.17 0.6-1.35
eGFR 84 >60
Total Protein 7.2 6.1-8.1
AST 35 10-40
ALT 38 9-60
Alkaline Phosphatase 78 40-115
T3 uptake 36 22-35%
T4 5.1 4.5-12.0
TSH 3.94 0.40-4.5
Total Test 619 250-1100
Free Test 106.9 35-155

Any advice would be extremely appreciated..........

I've included tests that don't have Testosterone just due to my Liver and Kidney tests....... Doc says they are normal but I've had pain in my upper right quadrant before and had two ultrasounds, one said I had a mildly enlarged liver.
doc said it could be due to medications or just anatomically bigger????

First ultrasound:
measures 16.2cm demonstrating normal echogenicity without focal lesion.

Conclusions:
1. 3mm dependent gallblader wall polyp or non shadowing gallstone. no gallblader wall thickening or pericholecystic free fluid.
2. no intraheptic or extraheptic biliary dilatation.
3. no hydronephrosis in the right or left kidney

Second ultrasound:
Measures 16.9 cm Echogenicity is normal and there is no focal mass

Conclusions:
1. Gallbladder polp without significant change since first ultrasound
2. no signs of developing cholecystitis or bilary ductal dilatation
3. mild hepatomegaly, unchanged.

Thank you kindly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keep_It_Moving]

Anyone know what could be up?

[lovbyts]

If it was me the 1st thing I would do is stop taking the HGH if I was not getting it via RX or 100% sure it was from a US pharmacy and see what happens after a couple of weeks.

[thisAngelBites]

You are developing hypothyroidism. You need to check thyroid antibodies to determine whether you have autoimmune thyroiditis or just have hypothyroidism. You need a physician who will treat this - taking thyroid replacement will probably help your depression, dry skin and poor sleep - at least somewhat.

I can't answer your other questions about your gallbladder/liver imaging, so maybe someone else who knows more will come along and help with that.

[Keep_It_Moving]

If it was me the 1st thing I would do is stop taking the HGH if I was not getting it via RX or 100% sure it was from a US pharmacy and see what happens after a couple of weeks.

I'm not taking HGH. The only HGH I would ever take is from a clinic, there are many TRT clinics that would prescribe this for anti-aging. I would never venture outside of a US TRT clinic and US Pharmacy - no matter what the cost, but that's just me. I'd rather pay big bucks and know I'm 100% safe.

Sorry to mislead you about me taking HGH, it was just something I've been considering... but now I'm a little more steered towards looking at my thyroid.

[Keep_It_Moving]

You are developing hypothyroidism. You need to check thyroid antibodies to determine whether you have autoimmune thyroiditis or just have hypothyroidism. You need a physician who will treat this - taking thyroid replacement will probably help your depression, dry skin and poor sleep - at least somewhat.

I can't answer your other questions about your gallbladder/liver imaging, so maybe someone else who knows more will come along and help with that.

Thanks for your input, I'm seeking a thyroid/hormone specialist this week, waiting on a call back. I hope that I can nail something down as I know something is off right now.

[thisAngelBites]

Glad to hear it. Best to treat this and get stabilised at the proper dose because thyroid hormones affect so many processes in the body. Once you get that sorted, you can re-evaluate as to what you want to do next.

Be sure to find someone who treats someone who has borderline lab values like you. Some doctors will make you wait until your TSH is like 8, and feeling really crappy before they will treat you, which is not okay, especially when you have symptoms. When I commented earlier (up in this thread) I linked to a website that has a list of doctors that patients have found to be especially helpful in this regard.

[GirlyGymRat]

anti aging is lower dosage 2 iu….but you should get some BW done before you go on the HGH adventure IMHO.

So has anyone on this forum used HGH for anti-aging? I can't imagine I'm the only one who has thought about this....

?