Test E / HGH Cycle

[quinnbaylor]

I've run a handful of Test cycles in my time but have decided to jump into the HGH world with my next cycle. It'll look something like this:

TEST E (500mg) 1-12wk
HGH (4ius ED) 1-12wk (and continued on until next cycle)
Armidex (.25mg ED) 1-13wk
Nolva (40/40/20/20) 14-18wk
Clomid (50/50/25/25) 14-18wk

Should I be adding HCG into this as well?

Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciate. Thanks, in advance, for everyone's time and help

QB

[XxAndreaxX]

I always use low dose Hcg during cycle. Even if your HGH is legit, don’t expect any major differences compared to your previous test cycles.

[Cody95]

I've run a handful of Test cycles in my time but have decided to jump into the HGH world with my next cycle. It'll look something like this:

TEST E (500mg) 1-12wk
HGH (4ius ED) 1-12wk (and continued on until next cycle)
Armidex (.25mg ED) 1-13wk
Nolva (40/40/20/20) 14-18wk
Clomid (50/50/25/25) 14-18wk

Should I be adding HCG into this as well?

Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciate. Thanks, in advance, for everyone's time and help

QB

Don't run HCG during cycle, some people swear by it but it's bs. Your putting a substance into your body that's telling it to shut down your test, then you go and put another substance that tells it to produce test? All you're doing is confusing the f*ck out of your body. Use HCG during PCT, that's when you'll need it when you're actually tying to produce natural test.

[Mp859]

Don't run HCG during cycle, some people swear by it but it's bs. Your putting a substance into your body that's telling it to shut down your test, then you go and put another substance that tells it to produce test? All you're doing is confusing the f*ck out of your body. Use HCG during PCT, that's when you'll need it when you're actually tying to produce natural test.

Sounds like you are watching to many Rich piana videos.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Don't run HCG during cycle, some people swear by it but it's bs. Your putting a substance into your body that's telling it to shut down your test, then you go and put another substance that tells it to produce test? All you're doing is confusing the f*ck out of your body. Use HCG during PCT, that's when you'll need it when you're actually tying to produce natural test.

So by your logic ? Ppl on TRT should stop their protocal and just do HGH ? BS ! Besides your 18 and you have no idea how a man's body is going to react to compounds & have not been training long enough to give advise ? Plus you should still be learning how to train and eat and not a juice expert ?

Have you heard of TRT ?

[XxAndreaxX]

Don't run HCG during cycle, some people swear by it but it's bs. Your putting a substance into your body that's telling it to shut down your test, then you go and put another substance that tells it to produce test? All you're doing is confusing the f*ck out of your body. Use HCG during PCT, that's when you'll need it when you're actually tying to produce natural test.

Don’t listen to him, although he’s partially right in what he (aka rich piana) is saying...
If you’re taking HCG during cycle, yes, you tell your body to stop Test producction, and at the same time to start test production.
But your body is so stupid that he won’t get confused at all.
Now, I wouldn’t take HCG either, but I would have it on hand if your nuts start to ache bad. Normally for me, it starts at week 4, where they start shrinking, and that process might hurt very very bad.
Some say, if your nuts shrink and it doesn’t hurt at all, better stay away from HCG, and take it PCT.

[Buster Brown]

Don't run HCG during cycle, some people swear by it but it's bs. Your putting a substance into your body that's telling it to shut down your test, then you go and put another substance that tells it to produce test? All you're doing is confusing the f*ck out of your body. Use HCG during PCT, that's when you'll need it when you're actually tying to produce natural test.

Do NOT listen to the 18 year old! The idea of hcg on cycle is to prevent testicular shrinkage..... Not try to repair it at the end of the cycle. Hcg blasting is a Stone Age method that has been replaced. Google Dr. Schislers hcg protocol and educate yourself. This is the protocol he has his TRT patients use and is now a generally accepted practice.

[Cody95]

Do NOT listen to the 18 year old! The idea of hcg on cycle is to prevent testicular shrinkage..... Not try to repair it at the end of the cycle. Hcg blasting is a Stone Age method that has been replaced. Google Dr. Schislers hcg protocol and educate yourself. This is the protocol he has his TRT patients use and is now a generally accepted practice.

Not 18 bud :/ you guys keep getting it mixed up.

[ScotchGuard02]

It's fine to run HGH with Test. Different glands working between production of HGH and Test. You'll be fine.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Not 18 bud :/ you guys keep getting it mixed up.

19 is still a kid, your profile states 18 get it right ! You need to get it right before passing out bad info lassy !

[Cody95]

19 is still a kid, your profile states 18 get it right ! You need to get it right before passing out bad info lassy !

Totally because I was born on July 1st 1995 which obviously states I turned19 5 months ago, get it right. Clearly you can see from my profile name but you're too ignorant.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Totally because I was born on July 1st 1995 which obviously states I turned19 5 months ago, get it right. Clearly you can see from my profile name but you're too ignorant.

Now , now laddy there is no reason to call me ignorant ? How would I know by your name you are 19 and that is still a boy ?

[Cody95]

Now , now laddy there is no reason to call me ignorant ? How would I know by your name you are a8 and that is still a boy ?

Fair enough i see on my profile that it says i'm 18 their is no option to change it.

[Mp859]

Now , now laddy there is no reason to call me ignorant ? How would I know by your name you are 19 and that is still a boy ?

Quit with the goddamn question marks

[qscgugcsq]

Fair enough i see on my profile that it says i'm 18 their is no option to change it.

18 or 19 or 40
your advice is still ****ing moronic...

if you take your info from rich piana then that forum isnt for you.

Rich is a moron who dont know shit about steroid and his say have 0 scientific value.

[NACH3]

HCG on cycle is for testicular shrinkage as well as it at the same time it shutting you down it is 'mimicking LH & lower levels of FSH...?! Right?

[Cody95]

18 or 19 or 40
your advice is still ****ing moronic...

if you take your info from rich piana then that forum isnt for you.

Rich is a moron who dont know shit about steroid and his say have 0 scientific value.

Wait, you just said someone who has done steroids for over 25 years, more successful and bigger then anyone on this forum, obviously knows more then most people on here, doesn't know shit about steroids? Wow, lol, don't know how to reply to that. Also i see now what i said about HCG is not true, i made a mistake and i shouldn't have given advice on something i don't know a'lot about.

[derekkpapa1]

Now now guys come down -to much testosterone in the room.
We are all here to learn and help each other.

[BG]

Wait, you just said someone who has done steroids for over 25 years, more successful and bigger then anyone on this forum, obviously knows more then most people on here, doesn't know shit about steroids? Wow, lol, don't know how to reply to that. Also i see now what i said about HCG is not true, i made a mistake and i shouldn't have given advice on something i don't know a'lot about.

Your post get dumber and dumber. Because Rich is big he knows more? No he abuse's steroids and we are about using safely. He has no concern for his health.

[Chlamydia]

ok you guys are mixing up HCG AND HGH

OP asked if he should use HCG hes already going to be doing HGH + test which is great
im doing HGH right now at 4iu for a few months before adding a test cycle


I agree with NOT using HCG while you are on a test cycle
im not a fan of Rich piana (the guy says he shoots 5000iu ED of HCG )

HOWEVER from personal experience at a higher doses of test (especially with longer easters like test E or Cyp)
HCG while on a cycle will not prevent you from being shut down
I ran a cycle for 14 weeks with shooting 250iu x 2 a week throught the whole time and got blood work after and I was still shut down. IT makes your balls look big so people think they are good to go but thats the case.. HCG will not keep ur balls working while ur injecting synthetic test, take it from me ive done it and I had blood work for proof that it didnt do anything

I read studys that HCG keeps ur balls working for TRT guys on something like 200mg a week of test
but when I was shooting 700-800mg a week and use HCG it simply didnt do anything and when PCT came I was still shut down and took months and month to recover

so here's what I would recommend
if you are using long easters
save the HCG for the end

Start HCG once test cleared and do a 2000IU shot followed by 500-1000IU everyday for 10 days then start your clomid and nolva

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

ok you guys are mixing up HCG AND HGH

OP asked if he should use HCG hes already going to be doing HGH + test which is great
im doing HGH right now at 4iu for a few months before adding a test cycle

I agree with NOT using HCG while you are on a test cycle
im not a fan of Rich piana (the guy says he shoots 5000iu ED of HCG )

HOWEVER from personal experience at a higher doses of test (especially with longer easters like test E or Cyp)
HCG while on a cycle will not prevent you from being shut down
I ran a cycle for 14 weeks with shooting 250iu x 2 a week throught the whole time and got blood work after and I was still shut down. IT makes your balls look big so people think they are good to go but thats the case.. HCG will not keep ur balls working while ur injecting synthetic test, take it from me ive done it and I had blood work for proof that it didnt do anything

I read studys that HCG keeps ur balls working for TRT guys on something like 200mg a week of test
but when I was shooting 700-800mg a week and use HCG it simply didnt do anything and when PCT came I was still shut down and took months and month to recover

so here's what I would recommend
if you are using long easters
save the HCG for the end

Start HCG once test cleared and do a 2000IU shot followed by 500-1000IU everyday for 10 days then start your clomid and nolva

You need to read some stickies ! The reason to take HCG while on cycle is not to make your testies start producing Test . There are many more benifits to taking while on cycle !

Why do you think men on TRT take it non stop ? Your logic doesn't make sense , men on TRT would not be on TRT if they wer not already shut sown or shut down beyond the point of recovery . That is why TRT is not a cycle it is for life and a necessary medicial procedure to keep a man healthy and feeling normal not like a grumpy old man. they take for for the other benifits not to restart Test production ! Read up and don't just pass on what you have heard ?

HGH effects the putitary gland ?

HCG effects the Testies ?

2 different parts of the body that preform different functions !

[Chlamydia]

You need to read some stickies ! The reason to take HCG while on cycle is not to make your testies start producing Test . There are many more benifits to taking while on cycle ! Why do you think men on TRT take it non stop ? For te other benifits not to restart Test production ! Read up and don't just pass on what you have heard ?

HGH effects the putitary gland ?

HCG effects the Testies ?

2 different parts of the body that preform different functions !

TRT test doses are very small in comparison to heavy steroid cycles that we usually use

I believe that HCG will help when ur doing something like 100mg of test every week
but I dont believe HCG will help (at least not in the 250-500iu doses) when you start using 1mg of test a week+ many other compounds
your going to be so shut down no HCG dose is gonna help you so my as well save it for the end

[Nobuddy]

I haven't seen it mentioned yet -

I've heard running too much HCG for too long can desensitize your L.H. Is there any truth to this?

[NACH3]

You need to read some stickies ! The reason to take HCG while on cycle is not to make your testies start producing Test . There are many more benifits to taking while on cycle !

Why do you think men on TRT take it non stop ? Your logic doesn't make sense , men on TRT would not be on TRT if they wer not already shut sown or shut down beyond the point of recovery . That is why TRT is not a cycle it is for life and a necessary medicial procedure to keep a man healthy and feeling normal not like a grumpy old man. they take for for the other benifits not to restart Test production ! Read up and don't just pass on what you have heard ?

HGH effects the putitary gland ?

HCG effects the Testies ?

2 different parts of the body that preform different functions !

I've always used hCG on cycle for testicular shrinkage... And though your shut down it does mimic LH at the same time.

This forum usually states that hCG is for on cycle and not for PCT... But obviously it seems more case sensitive than anything on this thread...

So during my last cycle - prop 525mg wk/Primo 700mg wk/60mg anavar ed from wk 6-14...AI Stane 25mg ed/hCG 1000iu wkly. my ? Is during PCT I felt so fatigued, like my legs were gonna buckle(like I was withdrawing from testosterone - Andro-Pause)... Would hCG have been better for PCT in that case? Or should I just keep my usual protocol like I have been doing?

It's mostly taught on here(forum) hCG on cycle not for PCT.

[Mp859]

I've always used hCG on cycle for testicular shrinkage... And though your shut down it does mimic LH at the same time. This forum usually states that hCG is for on cycle and not for PCT... But obviously it seems more case sensitive than anything on this thread... So during my last cycle - prop 525mg wk/Primo 700mg wk/60mg anavar ed from wk 6-14...AI Stane 25mg ed/hCG 1000iu wkly. my ? Is during PCT I felt so fatigued, like my legs were gonna buckle(like I was withdrawing from testosterone - Ando-Pause)... Would hCG have been better for PCT in that case? Or should I just keep my usual protocol like I have been doing? It's mostly taught on here(forum) hCG on cycle not for PCT.

Hcg is suppressive. The point of pct is to restore your natural testosterone to normal levels. You would not be able to accomplish this because hcg suppresses your natural test.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I've always used hCG on cycle for testicular shrinkage... And though your shut down it does mimic LH at the same time.

This forum usually states that hCG is for on cycle and not for PCT... But obviously it seems more case sensitive than anything on this thread...

So during my last cycle - prop 525mg wk/Primo 700mg wk/60mg anavar ed from wk 6-14...AI Stane 25mg ed/hCG 1000iu wkly. my ? Is during PCT I felt so fatigued, like my legs were gonna buckle(like I was withdrawing from testosterone - Ando-Pause)... Would hCG have been better for PCT in that case? Or should I just keep my usual protocol like I have been doing?

It's mostly taught on here(forum) hCG on cycle not for PCT.

There is a specific thread on proper PCT and IMHO if you were almost like you had the flu and no energy after your cycle you may have been taking to large a dose of Ai ? Was it Pharmacy grade or liquidex ? I know I crashed my E2 one time and I though is was going to have to go to the Dr. but, after about a week of no Ai and upped TRT dose I got to feeling great ? Are you getting BW done post cycle IMO the things I have the biggest issue with is E-2 and high colestrol .

A new concern now is decreasd kidney function and high creatine levels . Dr said back off on Protein supplements and no Creatine ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? just for my bud Mp859 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[NACH3]

Yeah I was taking 25mg ed the only side I thought I getting was low back pain from the Stsne... Sex drive thru the roof!

My PCT was clomid and Nolva
100/75/50/50
40/40/20/20 rspectively
Everything came back but I was moody, hot flashes, emotional I guess, and didn't feel like doin sh-t.(also I know my cortisol levels were thru the roof... I was goin thru a break-up after 7 yrs with the girl... Either way my blood work was done post cycle but I never received it, they said they sent it back yadayadayada - U know how it goes - but I thought it was hard crashing your E2 on Stane, though its a Type 1 AI (Suppressive)??

[NACH3]

Hcg is suppressive. The point of pct is to restore your natural testosterone to normal levels. You would not be able to accomplish this because hcg suppresses your natural test.

Thanks and that's wgst I always thought(just been seein a lot of threads about hCG and using it for PCT... Again appreciate ur input!

[Times Roman]

HGH and AAS are apples and oranges. one is short term effort, and the other is long term. So to discuss taking HGH in terms of weeks is pointless. The effects are very mild in the short term, yet the benefits compound over time.

A cycle implies a duration of time.

When people say they are going to cycle HGH, like they are going to cycle steroids, confuses the issue. An HGH "cycle" can be a couple of years.

So you can take HGH, and that's great. But you cycle steroids.

Make sense?

I've run a handful of Test cycles in my time but have decided to jump into the HGH world with my next cycle. It'll look something like this:

TEST E (500mg) 1-12wk
HGH (4ius ED) 1-12wk (and continued on until next cycle)
Armidex (.25mg ED) 1-13wk
Nolva (40/40/20/20) 14-18wk
Clomid (50/50/25/25) 14-18wk

Should I be adding HCG into this as well?

Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciate. Thanks, in advance, for everyone's time and help

QB

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I've run a handful of Test cycles in my time but have decided to jump into the HGH world with my next cycle. It'll look something like this:

TEST E (500mg) 1-12wk
HGH (4ius ED) 1-12wk (and continued on until next cycle)
Armidex (.25mg ED) 1-13wk
Nolva (40/40/20/20) 14-18wk
Clomid (50/50/25/25) 14-18wk

Should I be adding HCG into this as well?

Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciate. Thanks, in advance, for everyone's time and help

QB

If that is pharmacy grade Armidex that sounds like way to much to me if only 500mg of Testosterone a week ?

Have you had Gyno issues in the past ?

I'm taking 200mg of Cypionate and 260mg of Tren a week and only take a total of .5mg of armidex a week and I get acne with that small amount and if I go much more I crash my E2 ?