18 years old, low test???

[i_inject_protein]

Hello, this is my first post here. I'm 18 year old male. I was curious about my testosterone levels, so i just did a blood test. What i got is 115 ng/dl. That's very low! My puberty is kinda late, i'm shy, not aggressive, sometimes depressed, have no interest into stuff... These are signs of low T. But what's weird, that I've been lifting for like 3 years, and seen great strength and mass gains (i've been super skinny before lifting). Gym is the only thing I'm motivated for. Also i have strong erections, so these contradict the fact i could have low testosterone. How is this possible? Is TRT an option at such a young age? Does anyone had experience similar to mine?

[Simon1972]

ok, what are you also taking, not trying to call you out but that seems really low- you can open up on a forum like this due to anonymity so lay all the cards out.

the fact you are really skinny and lack development points to long term deficiency- what has your dr said about your results.

what is your diet like and what supplements are you currently on- ive read that PTSD - (head trauma in the past leads to low test levels- google dr Mark Gordon) all info is good info so the knowledgeable members can guide you . get back to us and best of luck and congrats on getting the courage to seek help.

[i_inject_protein]

I'm not skinny, I'm 5'11 183lbs. Not sure about bf%, it's like 12-15%. I haven't been to doctor yet, jsut got the results. Earliest spot i can get to the doc's is january 2015, in the meantime i posted here.

Typical bodybuilding diet - chicken for protein, rice for carbs, natural peanut butter for fats. I count and weigh everything, of course. Fruits and veggies are lacking, but i take multi vitamin (animal pak). Not all the time though. Taking creatine. Never touched AAS. And no, i didn't have ptsd.

Is it rare for 18 year olds to get TRT? And is TRT for life?

[Beethoven]

Most of your symptoms can be other things. TRT at your age should be avoided at all cost and yes it is for life. Shyness is not a low t sign. Lack of aggression is not necessarily a sign of low t. You need BW but the fact that you have gained some good weight and are motivated to go to the gym is a good sign. Wait to see your Dr and get checked out.

[i_inject_protein]

BW - body weight? '
Maybe test results was mistake? I think i would be much worse with that low testosterone.
What are other options to treat low test (without TRT)?

[2Sox]

Beethoven makes some good points. Best thing to do is to see a physician for a thorough exam. The internet is full of descriptions of the symptoms of delayed puberty and its treatment, and a good doctor would be able to diagnose and treat you, if this is indeed the case with you.

[i_inject_protein]

Of course, i will go to the doc too, as i said. But i have a lot of time till then, and i want to have my own knowledge too, because doctors usually don't know very much about stuff (i experienced it already when i had problems with posture) so i ask here.

[2Sox]

Of course, i will go to the doc too, as i said. But i have a lot of time till then, and i want to have my own knowledge too, because doctors usually don't know very much about stuff (i experienced it already when i had problems with posture) so i ask here.

Good to hear. Can you give us a little detail of what you suspect your condition is caused by and what you have learned so far?

[i_inject_protein]

Good to hear. Can you give us a little detail of what you suspect your condition is caused by and what you have learned so far?

Well my nutrition is good, i lift, sleep 8-11 hours, smoke/drink very rarely, don't eat junk food, don't eat from plastic containers (except drink water from plastic bottle), don't stress a lot. So it may be hypogonadism (body just doesn't produce enough test)? Because if not lifting gains, i would definitely say i have low T. I will probably go for another blood test at another lab next week.

P.S. that day when i got results from lab i had very shitty training session. Haven't had those in months. Placebo, huh?

[lovbyts]

Sounds like just a bad/low test. Trust me and the rest of us, you want to avoid HRT at all cost for as long as possible.

[i_inject_protein]

Sounds like just a bad/low test. Trust me and the rest of us, you want to avoid HRT at all cost for as long as possible.

So what are the other treatment options?
How significant can lack of micro nutrients be on test levels?

[lovbyts]

None at this time. 1st you need to get a couple more test done the bet a good baseline of your true test levels. Dont forget free test is more important than total.

IF you actually do have low test then next you need to find out why such as is it a tumor or xyz? Then you need to discuss options with a qualified physician. Never is self medication an option, not even if you were 30, 40 or 50+

[i_inject_protein]

None at this time. 1st you need to get a couple more test done the bet a good baseline of your true test levels. Dont forget free test is more important than total.

IF you actually do have low test then next you need to find out why such as is it a tumor or xyz? Then you need to discuss options with a qualified physician. Never is self medication an option, not even if you were 30, 40 or 50+

Free? Total? I know what it is, but on my blood test results it just says "testosterone".

If there is no other options, and i really have low test why i would avoid TRT?

[lovbyts]

Total Testosterone range is somewhere around 249 - 836 ng/dL
Free testosterone range is around 5.00 - 21.00 ng/dL

IF there is no other option then of course but you want to look into all other options first.
TRT/HRT is not as simple as pinning testosterone 1x a week for the next (if you live to 80) = 3534 times.
If you use HCG also (which you should) thats another 7068 time for a total of 10,602 times you have to pin.

What happens if you dont have insurance do to job change, layoff or ??? You will have to pay for everything cash, if you can afford it and if not your testosterone levels will drop VERY low, you will loose energy and probably feel depressed.

There are a lot of things to consider. I could go on and one but TRT for anyone under 40+ should be only as a last choice.

[i_inject_protein]

Total Testosterone range is somewhere around 249 - 836 ng/dL
Free testosterone range is around 5.00 - 21.00 ng/dL

IF there is no other option then of course but you want to look into all other options first.
TRT/HRT is not as simple as pinning testosterone 1x a week for the next (if you live to 80) = 3534 times.
If you use HCG also (which you should) thats another 7068 time for a total of 10,602 times you have to pin.

What happens if you dont have insurance do to job change, layoff or ??? You will have to pay for everything cash, if you can afford it and if not your testosterone levels will drop VERY low, you will loose energy and probably feel depressed.

There are a lot of things to consider. I could go on and one but TRT for anyone under 40+ should be only as a last choice.

Here in my country it's not even compensated as far as i know, so i would pay in cash. Pinning myslef 10 thousand times doesn't seem to be a problem too. Probably even more, if i jump on some juice later in my life.

So what are the other options without TRT?

[lovbyts]

Here in my country it's not even compensated as far as i know, so i would pay in cash. Pinning myslef 10 thousand times doesn't seem to be a problem too. Probably even more, if i jump on some juice later in my life.

So what are the other options without TRT?

Not pinning yourself 10,000x is easy to say it wouldn't be a problem until it is a problem.

There are several ways to get test levels up, most importantly is diet, exercise and proper sleep. Again, one test is not going to comfirm you have low test. There can be many factors that can cause it to show low but actually be within range. Being higher does not mean better. If a person is not having ED, lack of energy, foggy brain feeling and not able to gain muscle then I would not worry about it.

Testosterone is not the only TRT therapy either. There is HCG and clomid therapy to raise your testosterone levels. What ever way you go it's best to see a specialist and find out for sure what is going on and if you even need treatment.

[i_inject_protein]

I think now i know what is the problem. This spring or summer (can't remember exactly) i took animal stak. And only now i got to know it contains prohormones! I didn't knew it at the time so i didn't do a pct.
Should i have been recovered until now?
What to do to recover?
How ****ed i am?
Also i think my nipples are kind of puffy, can that be gyno?

P.s. is it too late to do something? Pct had to be done just after the "cycle", lots of time passed. Please answer al these questions, i'm really worried right now...

[i_inject_protein]

I watched hormone pathway video, and now i think that i may be making enough T, but it gets aromatised to estrogen. The fact that my one nipple is puffy and hard inside confirms it. I've read that zinc can work as aromatise inhibitor even on cycle, so i bought some, taking about 200mg a day. Should this help? When i will start seeing results?

[i_inject_protein]

Anyone?

[Chauffeur]

Is that elemental zinc? If so, that's an insanely high dose are definitely not recommended.

[Baxter35]

Did you ever find out if that blood test was total or free testosterone? I'm asking because different labs use different values, and its possible that's a free T reading. For example, Quest diagnostics uses a range of 50-150 for free T on their scale, so if you're 110 turned out to be free T and on a similar scale then your number would not be low at all. Before you do or change anything, you need to know that you have a curate info to work from. Either get the details on you're current blood work, get new blood work, or even do both, but don't do anything else without further confirmation from blood test results.

[i_inject_protein]

Is that elemental zinc? If so, that's an insanely high dose are definitely not recommended.

Zinc oxide.

Did you ever find out if that blood test was total or free testosterone? I'm asking because different labs use different values, and its possible that's a free T reading. For example, Quest diagnostics uses a range of 50-150 for free T on their scale, so if you're 110 turned out to be free T and on a similar scale then your number would not be low at all. Before you do or change anything, you need to know that you have a curate info to work from. Either get the details on you're current blood work, get new blood work, or even do both, but don't do anything else without further confirmation from blood test results.

I think total. Range is 286-802 ng/dl and i got 121 ng/dl.
How do i know if i don't produce enough testosterone, or it just gets converted to estrogen?
I've been doing very intense workout routine for last couple of months, so that could've increased my T, and it got aromatised due to my lack of zinc or other micros. Also i've been drinking lots of milk lately, and i googled some articles that it may increase estrogen.
There is a hard lump under my one nipple, i need help quick, i don't want to end up with full blown bitch tits!
Can it be reversed without surgery? If so, AI, SARMs or what should be used?

[Chauffeur]

Zinc oxide.




I think total. Range is 286-802 ng/dl and i got 121 ng/dl.
How do i know if i don't produce enough testosterone, or it just gets converted to estrogen?
I've been doing very intense workout routine for last couple of months, so that could've increased my T, and it got aromatised due to my lack of zinc or other micros. Also i've been drinking lots of milk lately, and i googled some articles that it may increase estrogen.
There is a hard lump under my one nipple, i need help quick, i don't want to end up with full blown bitch tits!
Can it be reversed without surgery? If so, AI, SARMs or what should be used?

That's far too much zinc.

The only way to know where your estradiol levels really are is to have some bloodwork done. Detailed bloodwork is absolutely needed to find out why your total T is so low, as it's quite abnormal.

You're not producing enough testosterone by a long shot.

Milk is not going to give you breasts.

[i_inject_protein]

That's far too much zinc.

The only way to know where your estradiol levels really are is to have some bloodwork done. Detailed bloodwork is absolutely needed to find out why your total T is so low, as it's quite abnormal.

You're not producing enough testosterone by a long shot.

Milk is not going to give you breasts.

How much zinc is needed to be used as AI then?
How fast does gyno develop? I don't wanna be late to treat it

[Chauffeur]

How much zinc is needed to be used as AI then?
How fast does gyno develop? I don't wanna be late to treat it

It's not really a good idea to lower your E2 value without actually knowing what it is first. You need to have a baseline value.

Gyno takes time to develop. It's definitely not going to just show up over the course of a few weeks.

Seriously man, you need more bloodwork.

[CraigWatts]

Isnt it possible his DHT levels are high? And that's why he's got libido, etc?

You've got supplements like Anavar that basically are DHT and the gains can be really good for some people.

[kelkel]

Isnt it possible his DHT levels are high? And that's why he's got libido, etc?

You've got supplements like Anavar that basically are DHT and the gains can be really good for some people.

Doubtful if his body is even remotely following normal cholesterol pathways. You can have very little testosterone and still have a libido. Test is only part of what encompasses sex drive.
Anavar is a weak DHT at best and would only contribute to a lower test level in this case.
The op needs a thorough examination by a physician.

[i_inject_protein]

What tests i should get in bloodwork?

[kelkel]

Look in the Finding A Doc Sticky thread at the top of this forum. BW is in there.

[i_inject_protein]

Look in the Finding A Doc Sticky thread at the top of this forum. BW is in there.

Pretty big list... Should cost a lot

[kelkel]

Pretty big list... Should cost a lot

Insurance should cover it if you have a problem. Pare it down a bit if you must but your goal is to find the problem.

[thewarrior8845]

you said that you have made gains, what are you pushing in the gym? just curious how strong you are with those levels.

[i_inject_protein]

400lbs dead
300lbs squat
235lbs bench

[Alex-UK]

well, I am more than 20 years on hrt, test 250mg per week, feels good, 43 yo now

[i_inject_protein]

well, I am more than 20 years on hrt, test 250mg per week, feels good, 43 yo now

Any side effects you experiencing? What are your T levels now and what they were before you started?