What to do for first cycle.

[beast2b]

Male, 28, 6'1, 180 lb, 10% body fat. On nutrition plan, in gym 5-7 days a week.

What would some of you experienced users suggest? I want to get big, I want to do it right. I have access to anything. I was thinking test E, dbol, tren E. I need to know how much of each I need, how much a week and how often. Also what pct I might need, how much and how long of a cycle. I tried test Cyp and dbol and did Nolvadex after. But that was many many years ago. No problems. Any honest help would be greatly appreciated. And any opinions of BOSS PHARMA gear? Toronto area. Thanks

[austinite]

Testosterone for your first cycle would be great. But if you're struggling to gain weight now, you'll struggle with steroids. Contrary to popular belief, your diet needs to be implemented in a fashion that works; without steroids. Once that's accomplished, you'll see even greater results with steroids.

Consider checking some of our sticky threads and guides on starter cycles.

[brandon1411]

I recommend avoiding any cycle untill you have tried your best without it and have done plenty reserch

[Buster Brown]

You could do some gaining naturally without AAS with your given stats. Take some time and read the stickies in the diet and nutrition section. This is the first step that you must take in order to be successful.

[beast2b]

Testosterone for your first cycle would be great. But if you're struggling to gain weight now, you'll struggle with steroids. Contrary to popular belief, your diet needs to be implemented in a fashion that works; without steroids. Once that's accomplished, you'll see even greater results with steroids.

Consider checking some of our sticky threads and guides on starter cycles.

Thanks for that. I have read so many sticky threads. Many get confusing and many contradict. So I need to understand better what you mean by without steroids. You mean don't do the juice till I've gained weight? The steroids won't help me bulk up quicker?

[swolehead]

they will but only so much if your diet and training isn't up to par and if they aren't you'll loose everything post cycle

[ojm3]

Get your diet dialed dialed in, and your gym routine down pat. When you have been lifting and dieting properly and religiously your body will pack on muscle.

[beast2b]

Thanks guys. I'm pretty devoted to the diet and really getting the gym routine up to par. Now quick question. If I do say 3 weeks of just test, would that help give a little boost? A lot of the reading I been doing is stating that short cycles are great because you lose less post cycle and less or no sides. Would I even need pct or ai on a 3 week cycle of say 500mg test a week? (250x2 times a week)

[ojm3]

Thanks guys. I'm pretty devoted to the diet and really getting the gym routine up to par. Now quick question. If I do say 3 weeks of just test, would that help give a little boost? A lot of the reading I been doing is stating that short cycles are great because you lose less post cycle and less or no sides. Would I even need pct or ai on a 3 week cycle of say 500mg test a week? (250x2 times a week)

I'm no guru but it seems like that's only long enough to throw you out of wack. I'm guessing your talking about Test enanthate? From my research seems most people need 3-5 weeks before they feel enanthate start to work

[beast2b]

I'm no guru but it seems like that's only long enough to throw you out of wack. I'm guessing your talking about Test enanthate? From my research seems most people need 3-5 weeks before they feel enanthate start to work

What do you mean by throw you out of wack? What would happen/change on such a short cycle? I have just been reading alot about all of this

[chris_columbia]

What do you mean by throw you out of wack? What would happen/change on such a short cycle? I have just been reading alot about all of this

Throwing you out of whack means that you could **** your body up big time by using just enough test to shut down your natural production than go off.

Meaning when you inject your first shot of test e it takes about 2 weeks for your hormones to balance out from the artificial test, and after that is when you start noticing GAINS, i'm on the end of my thrid week and i just started seeing small results about a week go.

Sounds to me like you haven't been doing enough research.

[beast2b]

Throwing you out of whack means that you could **** your body up big time by using just enough test to shut down your natural production than go off.

Meaning when you inject your first shot of test e it takes about 2 weeks for your hormones to balance out from the artificial test, and after that is when you start noticing GAINS, i'm on the end of my thrid week and i just started seeing small results about a week go.

Sounds to me like you haven't been doing enough research.

I've been researching so much. Maybe that's the problem lol. So much contradicting info. I'm trying to figure out what's best for me before just jumping into it all.

[chris_columbia]

I've been researching so much. Maybe that's the problem lol. So much contradicting info. I'm trying to figure out what's best for me before just jumping into it all.

Yeah gear is very contradicting depending on who you talk to, just don't listen to any Rich Piana videos.

[Buster Brown]

Yeah gear is very contradicting depending on who you talk to, just don't listen to any Rich Piana videos.

Both of you just need to dig in here .....forget the videos and take them with a grain of salt. This forum is all you need in terms of educational material. When you are first learning its hard to filter out all of the crap that's out there......just focus here.

[ojm3]

Both of you just need to dig in here .....forget the videos and take them with a grain of salt. This forum is all you need in terms of educational material. When you are first learning its hard to filter out all of the crap that's out there......just focus here.

X2....lots of good info and good Bros here