high blood pressure

[nwjt]

Went to donate blood. My iron read 17 ish on the meter. It's been over 18 before. However this time my bp is.160/110

I am on 200mg a week, taking armidex .25mg twice a week. Last.Dr appointment i had high e2 at 60!



A few months.back I cut down to 100mg per week and .25g per week. My bp was still high at 160 over 107. That's also when i got the high e2 reading.

All this in the past.6 months. What's going on? Ben on trt for 4 years. Is it the e2 or the iron? Is that e2 ridiculously high?

I'm going to stop injections until.bp goes down. May call doc doc for theraputic draw.

Ps.not sure but i think the text ed for estrodiol not sure if that is the same as e2.

I feel fine except.high blood pressure headaches.

My pulse is around 90

[tdoe11]

With a high resting pulse of 90, and blood pressure that high I can't imagine that it is e2 related when you are sitting around 60. In my experience e2 of course will raise blood pressure, partly due to water retention, but not that high at that lower end of a higher e2. You ever have to our thyroid checked? Almost sounds like a hypothyroid condition. Either way I would start with a baby aspirin a day, tomorrow, and get to your doc for some blood tests and blood pressure meds. Definitely sounds like high hemocrit could be also partly responsible. What are your numbers? Go donate blood asap. Good luck bud, please keep us posted on the outcome....

[bullshark99]

Don't rule out the possibility that you are just developing HP? How is your family history? I've been on BP meds since age 37

[Beethoven]

Don't rule out the possibility that you are just developing HP? How is your family history? I've been on BP meds since age 37

How is your weight, eating and work out habits? High hematocrit can raise BP but not that high unless it was high to begin with.

[nyjetsfan]

My 2 cents
1. Full blood work. sounds like hemocrit and hemoglobin could be high. Also check thyroid (Tsh, T4, T3 etc). Full bloods needed though.
2. Do you snore?? Sleep apnea spiked my BP (This is critical). SA will also raise hemocrit.
3. Lower test dose from 200 (glad you did this, hope you and dr are on same page). 200 mgs is too high for hrt imho.
4. Get to a dr ASAP to get all checked and get your BP down. BP meds may be necessary. Do this like tomorrow.
5. Goes without saying but watch diet salt etc. you know the drill.
6. Get a BP monitor and take daily. You'll get there. Good you caught it now.

Let us know updates.

[nwjt]

Yes, my family has high bp. Some are overweight but some are not. My uncle is bigger but not morbid, his diastolic was getting to 200 at times when monitored. Sounds like i am genetically predisposed.

I eat like crap. I am also on nature throid. There alot of things i need to change but nothing is new, been doing what i do for awhile. Just stunned all und sudden i have this issue.

The only thing i have changed is i quit cardio and lift weights at higher reps with only 1 min between sets. It really kicks my butt. I do squats and bench on same day now. Can a wo routine cause it?

I'll go see the doc.

[Lifted1]

at 51% hematocrit you arent that out of whack to cause all of these issues imo. a resting heart rate of 90 is elevated for sure and 100mg/wk testosterone isnt the problem. i would suggest cleaning up your diet immediately, adding in some light cardio for heart health and 80mg low dose asprin everyday. also, if you take a pre workout with caffeine that will raise bp.

fwiw i donated this week four hours after working out and consuming a pre with 200mg caffeine, my bp was 130/80, resting heart rate was 60 and hemoglobin was 15 on their meter.

[Beethoven]

Get checked out. If your resting hr is 90 there is something else going on. Even with my bp high and not in shape right now due to recovery from surgery, my resting hr is still 60.

[sarge40]

I have been on BP medication for over a decade now, and my doc just weaned me off the beta blocker I was on. My BP was spiking pretty bad afterwards, and I was feeling it. My hct on my last labs was 51%, and I've been on 150mg/wk. I figured the hct was just going to get worse over time as TRT is said to increase hct and hb, so I just went to donate blood, and sure enough my hct went up to 54%. I opted for a double red cell donation hoping to get it down. Bottom line is that some people have elevated hct due to trt, and this needs to be monitored. I've read anecdotes about how elevated hct raised blood pressure, and getting it down through blood donations can help. In my case, the donation didn't decrease my BP. I will likely need to get back onto some medication, probably an ACE inhibitor this time. Don't discount the possibility that you might need medication. Lifestyle changes need to take place first, and medication considered only if that doesn't work for you. Most people probably don't need the medications they are on, rather, they need to make better lifestyle choices. Your BP and RHR are out of range though, and I would make some changes in your diet and cardio immediately, and seek out a cardiologist if that doesn't work for you. Hope you can get your issue fixed in short order!

[APIs]

Something is going very wrong with BP of 160/107 and a resting heart rate of 90. This requires immediate intervention. With a crappy diet I'd bet your lipids are shot too as this seems to go hand-in-hand. I'd say your beyond gaining anything from a therapeutic blood draw alone. Time for some BP meds at a minimum. Did you inform your TRT Doc of this current condition? Personally, I'd fire the guy out of a blatant disregard for your health.

OP needs to take control of his health. TRT can be a bridge to a better life, but you have to cross it...

[MisterD]

Be careful buddy.... I had a heart and i had all those symptoms....

If i were you i would do a CT scan and a stress test and make sure your not clogged up.

While your doing all these test I would do heavy cardio and keep your test as low as possible to keep the AI as low as you can.

Arimidex can create havoc on your lipids, try to get aromason/stane if you can.

[lovbyts]

Be careful buddy.... I had a heart and i had all those symptoms....

If i were you i would do a CT scan and a stress test and make sure your not clogged up.

While your doing all these test I would do heavy cardio and keep your test as low as possible to keep the AI as low as you can.

Arimidex can create havoc on your lipids, try to get aromason/stane if you can.

Good advice above. Dont let them just do an EKG or just the treadmill test. Doing a stress test where they do an ultrasound of your pulmonary system before you do the treadmill test and immediatly after you have reached the desired heart-rate then comparing the two before and after to see if there is any blockage.

[nwjt]

Calling doc today. Fyi i skipped my thyroid med for 2 days and pulse is 70 down from 90

[falcon954]

I have had high blood pressure for 5 yrs.Started TRT about the same time.Readings were not sky high but enough the doc said it was up an down to much.10mg of lisinopryl an no issues.5 11 175 very cardio an strength shape for my age clean no processed foods an protein to carb diet like 60/40 protein to carbs.Heavier carbs on cardio or weight days.

[thisAngelBites]

Yep, with that pulse I would definitely consider that you might be taking too much nature throid.

What dose are you on, and when were your thyroid numbers last checked?

[bass]

Went to donate blood. My iron read 17 ish on the meter. It's been over 18 before. However this time my bp is.160/110

I am on 200mg a week, taking armidex .25mg twice a week. Last.Dr appointment i had high e2 at 60!



A few months.back I cut down to 100mg per week and .25g per week. My bp was still high at 160 over 107. That's also when i got the high e2 reading.

All this in the past.6 months. What's going on? Ben on trt for 4 years. Is it the e2 or the iron? Is that e2 ridiculously high?

I'm going to stop injections until.bp goes down. May call doc doc for theraputic draw.

Ps.not sure but i think the text ed for estrodiol not sure if that is the same as e2.

I feel fine except.high blood pressure headaches.

My pulse is around 90

for whatever its worth try magnesium, it seem to do the trick for me! read about it to learn more.

[thisAngelBites]

If you are causing the high blood pressure by taking too much T3 (in the nature throid) that will cause your heart rate to increase and you will also be increasing the force of each contraction it makes.

Magnesium is necessary to enable the processes involved in relaxing muscle (including the smooth muscle of blood vessels), so it can help to reduce blood pressure and heart rate, but if the reason for the increased pressure and rate are due to an excess of T3, you will be solving a problem you are creating instead of just stopping the problem, if you see what I mean. Too much T3 for too long can damage your heart permanently, so please do work with your doc to make sure you are taking the proper amount (post your test results on the forum if you like, and we will help you understand them) - if you still would like to improve your blood pressure thereafter, magnesium is a good idea (and people seem so chronically deficient for some reason I don't understand), but I just want to impress upon you the importance of ensuring your thyroid meds are properly regulated.

[bass]

If you are causing the high blood pressure by taking too much T3 (in the nature throid) that will cause your heart rate to increase and you will also be increasing the force of each contraction it makes.

Magnesium is necessary to enable the processes involved in relaxing muscle (including the smooth muscle of blood vessels), so it can help to reduce blood pressure and heart rate, but if the reason for the increased pressure and rate are due to an excess of T3, you will be solving a problem you are creating instead of just stopping the problem, if you see what I mean. Too much T3 for too long can damage your heart permanently, so please do work with your doc to make sure you are taking the proper amount (post your test results on the forum if you like, and we will help you understand them) - if you still would like to improve your blood pressure thereafter, magnesium is a good idea (and people seem so chronically deficient for some reason I don't understand), but I just want to impress upon you the importance of ensuring your thyroid meds are properly regulated.

Good post. The reason for majority being deficient is due to processed foods we eat. Over 80% of Americans are deficient! I read allot of good reviews about jigsaw magnesium, ordered a bottle, we'll see how it works!

[nwjt]

Sorry for the delay on the update. Here it is. After I posted I gave up the TRT, throid, and coffee. The coffee withdrawal caused me major headaches.
I went to the doc a few days later and my BP was down to 160/102. Still high but not as bad. BTW, the pulse reading I gave you was wrong. I consistently have 70-80 pulse throughout the day. The doc measured a 76.

He put me on lisinopril 10 mg oral table
I resumed all my meds except Arimidex and I cut my Test down to 100 mg per week for now until I get my body fat down.

He ran full blood panel (not T etc). Everything was withing ranges but here is everything. I am 10 lbs over my normal heavy weight of 200. I had a bad job last year and I guess it took more of a toll than I realized. I havent exercised hardly at all the last year. I have a new job and its time to get back on the fitness wagon.

I wonder why my calcium is high? I dont drink hardly any milk. Here are the full results. A couple odd ones out of whach but the RBC and HCT are not too high.
The doc is blaming my Arimidex but it could also be genetic and out of shape.

Please let me know your thoughts with this new information. It appears my sodium levels are fine so I want to ask him if too much sodium is even a factor.

Height/Length in Inches
68 in Normal

Dec 30, 2014
Weight in Lbs
210 lb Normal

Dec 30, 2014
Body Mass Index
32.08 kg/m2 (High)

Dec 30, 2014
Reference Range: 18.50 kg/m2 - 25.00 kg/m2

Systolic Blood Pressure (BP)
154 mmHg (High)

Dec 30, 2014
Reference Range: 100 mmHg - 140 mmHg

Diastolic Blood Pressure (BP)
102 mmHg (High)

eGFR Non Afro-Amer

74 mL/min (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range>= 60 mL/min


eGFR Afro-Amer

86 mL/min (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range>= 60 mL/min


Total Protein

7.5 g/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range6.2 g/dL - 8.2 g/dL


Total Bilirubin

0.5 mg/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Rangemg/dL - 1.2 mg/dL


Sodium

140 mmol/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range136 mmol/L - 145 mmol/L


Potassium

4.9 mmol/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range3.5 mmol/L - 5.5 mmol/L


Glucose

93 mg/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range70 mg/dL - 99 mg/dL


Globulin

2.5 g/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range2.1 g/dL - 3.7 g/dL


Creatinine

1.24 mg/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range0.50 mg/dL - 1.40 mg/dL


Chloride

100 mmol/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range96 mmol/L - 107 mmol/L


Calcium

10.8 mg/dL (High)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range8.4 mg/dL - 10.4 mg/dL


CO2

29 mmol/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range22 mmol/L - 34 mmol/L


BUN

18 mg/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range6 mg/dL - 22 mg/dL


Alk Phos

60 U/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range38 U/L - 126 U/L


Albumin

5.0 g/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference Range3.5 g/dL - 5.2 g/dL


AST(SGOT)

35 U/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference RangeU/L - 41 U/L


ALT(SGPT)

45 U/L (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:31 a.m. CST
Reference RangeU/L - 52 U/L


T. Neut

58.1 % (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range38.0 % - 80.0 %


ABS Neut

4.3 (10x3/uL) (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range1.5 (10x3/uL) - 8.8 (10x3/uL)


Wbc

7.3 (10x3/uL) (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range4.0 (10x3/uL) - 11.0 (10x3/uL)


Rdw

11.6 % (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range11.5 % - 14.5 %


Rbc

6.31 (10x6/uL) (High)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range4.00 (10x6/uL) - 5.70 (10x6/uL)


Platelet

208 (10x3/uL) (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range150 (10x3/uL) - 400 (10x3/uL)


Mono

8.5 % (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range2.0 % - 14.0 %


Mpv

8.6 fL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range5.8 fL - 10.5 fL

Mcv

82 fL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range80 fL - 100 fL


Mchc

35.5 g/dL (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range32.0 g/dL - 36.5 g/dL


Mch

29 pg (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range28 pg - 32 pg


Lymph

33.4 % (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range15.0 % - 50.0 %


ABS Lymph

2.4 (10x3/uL) (Normal)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range1.0 (10x3/uL) - 5.0 (10x3/uL)


Hgb

18.3 g/dL (High)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range12.0 g/dL - 17.0 g/dL


Hct

52 % (High)
Date Dec 30, 2014 11:29 a.m. CST
Reference Range36 % - 51 %

[nwjt]

I wanted to add I was tested by my doc for all hormone levels back in Oct and everything was fine except the E2 which was at 60. So he doubled my Arimidex to .25mg twice a week.
I am not sure if drugs are the cause of this or not. I am gong to use the next month to do cardio and see how it changes things.

[thisAngelBites]

The calcium result could simply be that you were dehydrated when blood was drawn.

I suspect your initial pulse measurement was correct at the time, but decreased due to less thyroid hormone (you were off a couple of days before you went to the doc and he measured 76).

The active form of thyroid hormone (T3) has a half life of approximately two days, so being off for a few days would have improved any lab results that would have been affected by too much T3 (like blood pressure).

Is this physician you just saw the same one who prescribed the nature throid? When was the last time your thyroid values were done?

[nwjt]

My thyroid was fine when checked in oct . I've been on the half grain for years. Note I am back on it and pulse is fine.

[hawk14dl]

Just wanted to note my bp and pulse ate very similar. I have my trt blood work this week and after that I'm headed straight to donate.

Hope it works out for you

[thisAngelBites]

My thyroid was fine when checked in oct . I've been on the half grain for years. Note I am back on it and pulse is fine.

Oh, a half a grain - yeah, that's very low and unlikely to be a problem.