Those with no personal experience/data on high NPP/no test use, do not reply. I am not interested in your conjecture.
Background: I would like to get rid of my libido, and remain fertile. Would the 800mg/week of NPP with no test eliminate my libido (not just reduce, but eliminate)? This thread should not get hijacked by the topic of test in a cycle. I plan to keep some endogenous test with HCG etc. I DO NOT WANT THIS TO SIDE TRACK THE QUESTION AT HAND! I am looking for data, not proselytizing. I plan on changing this cycle after marriage, and add test. After marriage, I will be off of aas till my wife gets pregnant.
I will change the cycle based on data; this is a draft. I will get full blood work done before cycle, during, and at the tail end of PCT. I will be donating blood after three months (2?). I will be eating clean on a mild but nutritious CKD. I first will purchase PCT/gyno gear. Then I will purchase all other gear before starting the cycle.
Would 800mg/week of NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate), in the stack below,
eliminate libido? I want to use the least amount needed.
Draft Cycle for reference:
weeks 1-12
- Hcg ........... 300iu/twice a week (maintain fertility)
- Hmg .......... 25iu/twice a week (synergistic with hcg)
- Trenbolone Acetate 75-85mg/twice a week (help keep gains, minimize sides at this
lower dose; increase if tolerable?)
- NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate-Durabolin) 400mg/twice a week
(eliminate libido; joints, good anabolism at this dose. Increase dose to 500mg/twice a week if libido is
not gone after 2 weeks?)
- 2mg? day of Telmisartin ................ (mild cardio help)
- GHRP? (not concurrently w/ DNP?) (dose? appetite)
- AIs taken regularly depending on blood work (Exemestane/Aromasin,
?->Diindolylmethane- DIM- ?), I am still determining dosages to take with lack of test in this stack to prevent gyno, and keep libido gone.
- I am still researching if I want to include Cialis for prostrate health; I will be also using
Saw Palmetto.
- because I read a report that Tren may harm or reduce white blood cells, I will be taking Astragalus.
- I am studying the IGF-1 issue, so I may take something for that.
- T3 taken regularly to help fat burning (I am not fat, just slightly more than in my youth, I
have always been fairly trim. I do not know my body fat percentage, but will research how to measure it accurately. I mainly want to reduce viceral fat, as I have developed a belly.) I am unsure of dosing at this time.
- DNP (dinitrophenol) also for reducing fat. 25-100mg?? twice a day. (use with dantrolene in
the summer to help with hyperthermia???). Concerns about cataracts (wondering about using with additional supplement to help prevent cataracts). I am considering the 25mg/day because of the sides. The main concerns I have are being less energetic, and especially the induced temporary "mental fuzziness". However, I normally take several things for my memory/brain so maybe it should not be too bad. I already take items including, coenzyme B-12, CDP choline, a racetam, huperizine A, and a mix of memory/brain herbs in pure bulk powder. I will drink more fluids, and take extra salt and potassium because of the need for increased electrolytes.
- I may take insulin (???) because DNP reduces insulin production. I also know bodybuilders use insulin, but have not researched as to why this is done. I have no idea on dosage at this time.
- HGH treats trensomnia?? Can I use this one day a week to get extra rest that day?? cost/benefit ratio concern.
Tail end of cycle/PCT/marriage
replace injectables with orals (short half lives, sort of a pre-PCT) (still determining dosages):
- Primobolan ................................... (stay anabolic while clearing esters)
- Masteron ................................... (same as primo above)
- Proviron (mesterolone ) .............. (libido, improve anabolism of other orals by binding to
SHBG)
- d-aspartic acid (DAA)?? ............ (mild help to test restart???)
- ai? ................................................ (estrogen rebound ???)
week 11-12 - orals tapered down to nothing by end of week 12 (day 4? of week 12 is
last day of any orals)
- Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: wed 7/2/10, thr 10/2/15, thur-sat 15/5/20
(concerns about vision, blood clots)
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- Triptorelin??? one injection only of 50mcg on day 6 of this week
do this earlier in the cycle????? I am considering taking this shot two weeks into the cycle instead. In this second case, I wonder if I need to reduce my HCG/HMG dose for a while??
week 13 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 15/5/20
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
week 14 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 10/2/15
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
ai tapering after week 14 because of rebound??
other gear to have on hand for possible gyno: Letrozole, and/or others, SERMs (Raloxifene for reversing gynecomastia. 60mg - 80mg daily until gynecomastia is gone.)
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What I really want to know is if the NPP dose is effective to eliminate libido during cycle, not just reduce it. Would a smaller dose work?
I appreciate any info.
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