Advice on my upcoming cycle

[marcus232]

I am looking for advice for my tren Hex/Test e/Var PCT. Looking for advice from those with real understanding and knowledge about this stuff.

week 1-10 test e 100mg/w
week 2-8 Tren Hex 100-150 mg/w
week 1-3 Var 40 mg/d
week 1-8 aromasin 0.5mg/d
week 1-8 proviron 50 mg/d

PCT 10 days after last test E pinning

week 1-4 Novaldex 40/40/20/20 mg/d
week 1-4 Clomid 150/100/50/50 mg/d

Ok so here is my questions

do I need to hcg after last pinning of test ,before pct start?
Since I am doing tren, do I need Prami or Caber on hand also.

This is my 3rd cycle. first 2 being test p and dbol . last one being test e solo. I am aware of the differences that exist with the type of tren, but I don't want to pin eod .

My stats
lift multiple years
195 lbs
15% bf
workout 6 days a week
clean diet
decent sleep schedule

[itsjayman02]

I am looking for advice for my tren Hex/Test e/Var PCT. Looking for advice from those with real understanding and knowledge about this stuff.

week 1-10 test e 100mg/w
week 2-8 Tren Hex 100-150 mg/w
week 1-3 Var 40 mg/d
week 1-8 aromasin 0.5mg/d
week 1-8 proviron 50 mg/d

PCT 10 days after last test E pinning

week 1-4 Novaldex 40/40/20/20 mg/d
week 1-4 Clomid adex150/100/50/50 mg/d

Ok so here is my questions

do I need to hcg after last pinning of test ,before pct start?
Since I am doing tren, do I need Prami or Caber on hand also.

This is my 3rd cycle. first 2 being test p and dbol . last one being test e solo. I am aware of the differences that exist with the type of tren, but I don't want to pin eod .

My stats
lift multiple years
195 lbs
15% bf
workout 6 days a week
clean diet
decent sleep schedule

At 195lb and 3 cycles your light look at your diet but if you must cycle some changes are needed.

Test e @ 350- 450mg ew for 12 weeks
Tren h @ 300-400mg ew for
10 weeks
Drop the var
Adex you mean and 0.25mg and adjust if needed
Caber or prami on cycle not on hand
Hcg 500iu up to pct
Pct 14 days after last pin
Tren may upset your sleep schedule!!

Do some more research mate.

[ojm3]

BF too high and you need diet. No way after 3 cycles u should be that light.

[itsjayman02]

BF too high and you need diet. No way after 3 cycles u should be that light.

15% is not a bad point to start a cycle.
Yes the op is light and there is no need for multiple compounds.

And he is not ready for the tren train wreck yet haha

But if he must do this cycle then hopefully he will do it as safe as possible mate

[clarky.]

Just a few wee things here. Pct would start 14 days after last pin. Yes use hcg right through your cycle from wk 1 and stop it about 3 days before pct starts. Yes have caber or prami on hand these are very strong drugs and should not be used if they are not needed blood work will say if it's needed or not. Your bf is fine at 15%. Pct is a bit much as in mg see link.
Here is a link with great information it will give you information on how a cycle is layed out and all the checks you need to do to.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[marcus232]

Thanks for the quick reply

because this is my first time on tren I would really like to see how I react to it before going crazy. Also I have read from many of the seasoned vets here that low test and slightly higher tren is the way to manage sides. I was looking at the var as a kick starter. But I could go with Dbol instead. I need to keep my tren cycle down to 8 weeks, that some of the reason for the kickstarter. Now thru out this whole sites educational stuff , I have found nothing that says, I must have caber and prami on cycle. Also even on the steriod cycle guides, it doesn't recommend hcg on cycle only between end of cycle and pct start.
I am not saying that your wrong or throwing away your advice just trying to clarify things. Have you any experience with tren?
Also guys my first 2 cycles I did in a combat zone. If any of you have been there you then know how hard it is to make good gains. I am not trying to conquer the world , just improve.

[clarky.]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...nce-guide.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html

If you can't get the information you need from these links then i don't know.
I forgot about the var. No don't run var for 3 wks it won't do anything just a waste Since it's your first time using tren then just run it with test to see how you go. As for mg well that's up to you we are all different you will.have to see what works for you. Again about tbe caber and prami keep it on hand blood work will.tell you if you need it pls read the links on how to run a proper cycle.

[ojm3]

15% is not a bad point to start a cycle.
Yes the op is light and there is no need for multiple compounds.

And he is not ready for the tren train wreck yet haha

But if he must do this cycle then hopefully he will do it as safe as possible mate

Hopefully! I'd say skip that tren for now. %15 bf is ok IMO I'd go like 12 Or you 10

[NACH3]

Thanks for the quick reply

because this is my first time on tren I would really like to see how I react to it before going crazy. Also I have read from many of the seasoned vets here that low test and slightly higher tren is the way to manage sides. I was looking at the var as a kick starter. But I could go with Dbol instead. I need to keep my tren cycle down to 8 weeks, that some of the reason for the kickstarter. Now thru out this whole sites educational stuff , I have found nothing that says, I must have caber and prami on cycle. Also even on the steriod cycle guides, it doesn't recommend hcg on cycle only between end of cycle and pct start.
I am not saying that your wrong or throwing away your advice just trying to clarify things. Have you any experience with tren?
Also guys my first 2 cycles I did in a combat zone. If any of you have been there you then know how hard it is to make good gains. I am not trying to conquer the world , just improve.

Tren/Nandrolone are 19nors... In reference to why you need caber or Prami!

It's best to at least take a low dose... 19nors are progestins which will make your prolactin rise if you can't control your E2, which in return could cause you to lactate, if E2 isn't controlled gyno will be an issue...

So Prami and caber are DA's(Dopamine Agonist) which control your prolactin levels from rising! Clarky is saying keeping it on hand b/c he knows how strong these chemicals are and chances of him not keeping his E2 in check is slim to none compared to both you and myself! So I would advise you take at least s small dose(Prami is much more strong and may cause some people more sides but usually go away - sm dose is .125mg ed caber I'm estimating I'd just do that for e3d/twice a week.... Just my .02! Good luck OP!

I know what ID do... Be preventative!

[Buster Brown]

Tren e and h are virtually identical and should be run 12 weeks minimum due to the Esther. Beware that tren h is extremely rare and your more then likely have tren e...which is fine.

[marcus232]

thanks clarky. I will look at the links

[marcus232]

clarky
I read all the links . Thank you much. I will modify my first post , based off the knowledge that I have gained.
Now you say drop the Var, would you recommend Dbol as a kickstarter

[clarky.]

You could but not for 3wks 4wks min 6wks max imo. You have used test before and it was fine but this is your first time with tren so keep it simple i would leave any oral out and if all goes well use a oral next time. This is your 3 cycle a bit quick for tren it is a harsh compound some ppl love it some ppl hate it if you have made your mind up that's fine up to you but you could maybe keep it for your 6th+ cycle.

[marcus232]

Ok guys here is the new cycle. I will drop the dbol for now and just run tren/test.
Now some have recommended that I run a higher tren (300mg/w) and test (500/w). I am considered about my reaction to tren and would like to test the waters first.What do you guys think? Hi test low tren/ low test Hi tren?

week 1-10 test e 100mg/w
week 2-8 Tren Hex 100-150 mg/w
week 1-10 hcg 250ui e4d
week 1-8 aromasin 0.5mg/d
week 1-8 proviron 50 mg/d
week 1-10 prami on hand

PCT 14 days after last test E pinning

week 1-4 Novaldex 40/40/20/20/20/20 mg/d
week 1-4 Clomid 100/50/50/50 mg/d

[NACH3]

^^ that's a tough call as everyone can react differently... I personally don't have experience w/Tren but I have heard of people doing it both ways(depending on your goal)... But for more experienced Tren users I've seen throughout yhe forum suggest low Test higher Tren... But that's gonna have to be your experiment to see what works best for You! GL OP!

[AussieMachine]

That is probably one of the worst cycles I have every seen, unless you're a female of course.

If it was me, I would just cut all the bullshit out, take 500-750mg of test e a week, Adex and that's it.

Then follow your PCT as planned

[marcus232]

So Im guessing the you have used tren and understand the concerns that I have. You really should have read my initial post, Im looking for insight not jackass comments. If you want to help me thanks , if not then don't say anything

That is probably one of the worst cycles I have every seen, unless you're a female of course.

If it was me, I would just cut all the bullshit out, take 500-750mg of test e a week, Adex and that's it.

Then follow your PCT as planned

[AussieMachine]

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh mate, but your above cycle will do more harm then good and nobody has really said so. I would max out on test alone cycles first before adding in additional compounds.

Anyway mate, it's your body, do what you want

[marcus232]

no need to apologize, What do you mean by do more harm. Are you talking about the compounds. Why would you do test only for a lean bulk.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh mate, but your above cycle will do more harm then good and nobody has really said so. I would max out on test alone cycles first before adding in additional compounds.

Anyway mate, it's your body, do what you want

[marcus232]

Clarky, what do you think about my reconfig cycle. Does anyone else feel like Aussimachine, that I am wasting time and should really stick to test.
If you guys feel like I will waste a lot of time and money and maybe self injure. What would you recommend for a lean bulk. yes i do understand that some of that leanest comes from diet.

[NACH3]

Clarky, what do you think about my reconfig cycle. Does anyone else feel like Aussimachine, that I am wasting time and should really stick to test.
If you guys feel like I will waste a lot of time and money and maybe self injure. What would you recommend for a lean bulk. yes i do understand that some of that leanest comes from diet.

I think ehst AussiMachine was referring to was that if you do have Tren H or E they need to be run at least 12 wks(b/c of the ester - long) but if you were to run Tren Ace for 8 wks thst would be fine... And slso I believe for s lean bulk a high test only cycle could achieve the same goals if dirt and training are on point!

Correct me if wrong Aussie... But looking at his OP that's what I gather plus Proviron is outdated not to say it's not useful but far to many superior drugs to consider... Just my .02! GL in whatever you choose but stay safe my man!

[AussieMachine]

The reasons why I always choose to max out on test based compounds first are for the following reasons;

1. Testostetone is by far one of the best and safest injectables you can use.
2. It's better for sexy drive than any other compound.
3. It's a lot more natural than any other anabolic compound.
4. It's less likely to be counter fitted.
5. It also improves my mood and sleeping pattern.
6. Can be taken in the range of 250mg/week upwards
7. Estrogen can be controlled with a simple AI which will help you with a leaner bulk if required.

Once you have maxed out on test, then other compounds can be introduced like Tren, etc etc to really take your body to the next level.

Don't get me wrong, I love tren, but it also gives me the most side effects of all the anabolic steroids.

[marcus232]

great insight, thanks. What better alternative exist to proviron .