Dbol

[Big_sean]

Hi guys im looking at takin dbol ive only really cycled it once when i first started training an never felt anything of them same with nap50s but im thinking of tryin them again run with a cyp an im not sure what else. What dosage would you recomend??

[musclestack]

A standard dose of dbol would be around 20-40mg for the first 4 weeks of your Test cycle to kickstart the Cyp. Run the Cyp from week 1 to week 10/12, depending on how long you'd like to run it. You're new to AAS, so don't go over 12 weeks. Of course, if you would post your stats, we could help you further.

Stats:
Height
Weight
BF%
Age
Training history

I assume you have your PCT lined out, as well as AI's/HCG while on?

Note: I don't like oral kickstarts. They're hard on the liver, and the gains you get from them are mostly water weight. I prefer short estered Test, such as Propionate. You'll start to feel/see the effects within 4 days, give or take, and the gains are solid.

[Big_sean]

Im not new to aas just never really bothered with orals as ive never felt anything off them but theres some new ones about atm that alot of people are raving about so thought id try them out.

My stats are
Height 6ft
Weight 130 kgs (been off gear since nov)
Body fat last time i had it done was 16%
Been training 6 years competing in strongman for 3 years
An im 27.

I never take AI's but hcg an clomid i take properly after my cycle.

[qscgugcsq]

not using an ai is common with strongman but at your stats I highly doubt that you will be competitive enough to make signifiant amount of money out of it to make the future health issue worth it...

I know a strongman thst went to WSM and at less than 45 have dyslipidemia, left ventricule hypertrophie and others heart issue, very apparent gyno. just to name a few...

not using AI might gives you a small edge in term of gain. but can also screw your health badly...

use a bit more Anabolics and an AI is way safer...

12 weeks cyp with dbol seems good to me. but an AI is way more than just recommended...

BTW hcg is used during cycle and nolva and clomid together is way better thsn just clomid.

read the sticky how to do a first cycle, everything is explain in detail.

good luck

[Back In Black]

you are 6' tall, 286lbs at 16%? You're a genetic freak if these stats are correct. I fear you may be underestimating your bodyfat but would love to be proved wrong, can you post a pic?

can you lay out your cycle history?

[musclestack]

Im not new to aas just never really bothered with orals as ive never felt anything off them but theres some new ones about atm that alot of people are raving about so thought id try them out.

My stats are
Height 6ft
Weight 130 kgs (been off gear since nov)
Body fat last time i had it done was 16%
Been training 6 years competing in strongman for 3 years
An im 27.

I never take AI's but hcg an clomid i take properly after my cycle.

130kg at 16%bf is a big fella. Care to share some pics? Agree with the other poster whose screen name I don't care to type out lol...I also recommend using an AI, although with your lifestyle and goals, it's up to you. And run HCG during your cycle, not during PCT. Try 500iu every week split into 2 different doses (Sunday and Wednesday, for example).

On a side note, I stand by the statement I made regarding using orals. Here's what I'm doing for my cycle currently:

week 1-4: Test Prop @100mg/EOD
week 1-10: Test E @500mg/week
week 11-12: Test Prop @150mg EOD
week 1-12: HCG @500iu/week
week 1-12: 25mg Aromasin/ED
(PCT not listed)

The Prop at the beginning of the cycle kickstarts the Test E, which is what you're using dbol for anyway, only the gains from the Test P will be solid instead of just 90% water weight. Then, adding the Test P back in at the end of the cycle for the last 2 weeks allows me to go into PCT faster, potentially reducing the amount of time I have to spend 'off'. I'm in week 11 right now, and gains have been great.

[Big_sean]

Tbh i think im jus totally ignorant with the use of AI's i figured since i dont suffer with the side effects of gyno i didnt need them. I started using steroids as a guy that jus wanted to get bigger then realised i was strong so took up strongman. Will take your advice andlook into the threadyou said.

Ive never really kept track of my courses an im not scientific with it like you guys i usually take a test usually cyp or sus an then either decca bold or tren an have 3-4 ml a week. I do usually take hcg around 6 weeks into a course to give me a pick me up

[musclestack]

Tbh i think im jus totally ignorant with the use of AI's i figured since i dont suffer with the side effects of gyno i didnt need them. I started using steroids as a guy that jus wanted to get bigger then realised i was strong so took up strongman. Will take your advice andlook into the threadyou said.

Ive never really kept track of my courses an im not scientific with it like you guys i usually take a test usually cyp or sus an then either decca bold or tren an have 3-4 ml a week. I do usually take hcg around 6 weeks into a course to give me a pick me up

It's not really all that scientific, and what you posted that I highlighted in bold above concerns me. 'mL' is a unit of volume. You need to know what each mL is dosed at. You can either ask your source, or it should say on the side of the vial. For example, on your Test E vial, it probably says something like "250mg/mL". That means each mL has 250mg of Test E in it. A beginner's cycle would most likely consist of 500mg of Test E per week, which means you would take (2) mL per week, split into two different shots (say, one on Sunday morning and one on Wednesday night), giving you 500mg/week. Does that make sense?

[Big_sean]

I know that haha thats my bad writing wilst driving im comin accross as been a newbie. Depending on what i run i usually take between 600mg and 1000 mg per week. My last course was 800 mg of test and 800mg of boldenone.

[mikegilbert1986]

50mg strait threw 4-6 weeks. i don't like it, tried it one time spent the whole cycle trying to bAlance out estrogen. dbol is the #1 drug to cause gyno.

[qscgugcsq]

^^^ im trying DBOL next month Im curious to see... my E2 is always in check so maybe it will go out of whack.

right now im on anadrol I dont feel much... I think its highly underdosed... I considered it being half.dosed so I take 100mg a day. im not impress been taking it for a week now. no side...

Real anadrol on the other hand can also be a nice kickstart.
from what ive read normally people feel better on dbol than drol but you must try it to know.

[Big_sean]

In my previous experience anadrol didnt work for me i blew up like a water baloon but didnt get any strength gains.

[Back In Black]

50mg strait threw 4-6 weeks. i don't like it, tried it one time spent the whole cycle trying to bAlance out estrogen. dbol is the #1 drug to cause gyno.

Your inability to control your E2 and varying your AI wildly without bloodwork is the cause of your gyno, not the d'bol.