I must say now that I am doing my research before I attempt another cycle my past 2 have been a waste of time my first one was just d-bol and second was d-bol and testoviron I got strong but realy puffy it was a long time ago but now ime older and wiser I now know how naive and impatient I was so now I know I did them both totally wrong about 7 years ago its time to really look into this and do it properly. Now I know what to use as a base.how silly I was....well what more can I say